Nephews Who Are Army Officers Recently Asked "Are You Prepared To Kill US Citizens?"

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: nukedog

I had a 7th grade student recently suggest that we should kill everyone with Ebola. She is terrified. I explained "if your grandma had it wouldn't you want them to help her not kill her". She didn't buy it lol. Sadly so many people are dying for the apocalypse. It's deeo in our culture now. I know so many people who want it. Sadly I think they wanted zombies not unstoppable plague or totalitarian dystopian

Bro. I know exactly what you mean. Before my son graced this planet I was dying for a zompacolypse. Now I'm like why now? Lol. I mean all in all these are really good times we are living in for the most part. I guess we get bored or something.

Seriously though, I was told I almost got fired upon walking up to a national guard member. That was in the super done during Katrina. I tried to sneak out but after realizing everything was under water I had to sneak back in. The national guard are the last people I trust if shtf. When the Air Force showed up all the sudden things got nice and orderly, people got water and food, and people started getting evacuated. A chick with a gun is really cool people I can say that much for sure.

Anyway back on topic, I follow fb and follow the site cop block. I have no illusions about the way some mentalities work.

a reply to: MALBOSIA
The army does have domestic military operations procedures. It would be stupid of them not to.

I'm just saying that so much of this "army training for apocalypse" stuff is ridiculous, the implication being that I go to work every day to train for the mass killing of Americans.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: MALBOSIA
The army does have domestic military operations procedures. It would be stupid of them not to.

I'm just saying that so much of this "army training for apocalypse" stuff is ridiculous, the implication being that I go to work every day to train for the mass killing of Americans.

The idea of the soldiers crossing the rubicon was sacrilege once upon a time. Good for thought. No one is saying the armed forces are bad people by a long shot. At least I'm not.

Reading through this, I thought it pertinent of me to discuss my experiences in the last few weeks regarding military movements and training.

Namely, I live a few miles west of an air force base in New Mexico, and several miles north of their practice bombing range. I drive through the base every day to get to work.

I can say with 100% certainty that there isn't any activity above normal training operations going on out here. I'd think if the government were planning for an eventual apocalypse they'd get every base buzzing with preparations. Heck, on 9/11 and the weeks after it, it was hard to hold a conversation over the sound of jets constantly buzzing around in the air.

This base may not be included in the training, for whatever reason, but I thought I'd give my two cents living near one.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: MALBOSIA
The army does have domestic military operations procedures. It would be stupid of them not to.

I'm just saying that so much of this "army training for apocalypse" stuff is ridiculous, the implication being that I go to work every day to train for the mass killing of Americans.

I don't think you need special training as a soldier to fight your own countrymen. Either you will or you wont and the regular training as a soldier would be just as useful at home as anywhere else except for the question of whether or not the soldiers will go through with it. As far as the big planning like targets and time frames, just like anywhere else in the world the soldier wont have a clue till it is time to deploy.

If it is going to happen it has to happen at the drop of a hat with little to no time to think about it. But whether or not it could be accomplished may come down to interviews similar to the OP.

originally posted by: bludragin

originally posted by: snypwsd
a reply to: bludragin

Its probly just a follow up on their oath that they took. They swear to defend america against forgien and DOMESTIC threats.

Per my sister, the question went a bit beyond that, although I wish that's all it was.

originally posted by: bludragin
a reply to: queenofswords

Per my sister, the question went a bit beyond that, although I wish that's all it was

originally posted by: bludragin
a reply to: projectvxn

Per my sister, the question went a bit beyond that, although I wish that's all it was.

well that's helpful....

so i take it your "sister" didn't ask them how they responded? don't you find that odd in light of them being her sons and all?

no offense but this sounds like a pile

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Dude, when exactly was this asked and in what context?

This is a pretty standard question and often discussed.

Yep. These sort of questions have been bantered about for decades.
Context is key. Was it more a philosophical question or something specific?
There was a survey a few decades back where an officer getting his masters at the war college surveyed troops with very similar questions and then wrote a thesis paper about it. There was a big kerfuffle at the time where people were certain that it was part of Clinton's (I think it was during the Clinton years) secret plan to put us all in FEMA camps. I'll see if I can dig up a reference.

a reply to: thishereguy

Come on we was all thinking it subconsciously...

You think the army was talking about rich white folk?

I don't...

& they obviously have someone/group in mind!

a reply to: howmuch4another

Believe what you like. I shared what I am able to share.

originally posted by: bludragin
a reply to: NavyDoc

Understood. I shared what I know. In the "Gray" area of ATS. I drew no conclusions. I asked ATS members what they think. That's it. I did not realize that the gray section requires that we write posts that meet scholarly peer reviewed standards.

What you don't know is Lucidity has decided to target me and attempt to discredit me here, and elsewhere. I've been here a week. I've received two applauses for two separate Ebola posts from the moderators. So I am apparently not as incompetent as she would like you all to think.

Go see the "Ebola Inside Information" post. The OP also was not ethically able to reveal all the details from his sources. The mods checked it out and left it up. And it is now a top post.

I see no issues in my having done the same.

I didn't attempt to discredit you and I apologize if it seemed that way. I just pointed out that this has been a topic of question and debate in military circles for a long time and without specific context of the conversation, it is difficult to provide an educated opinion on what your nephews experienced.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Good to know. Just wanted to restate that my nephews are in the army, not the air force. I'm not assuming anything apocalyptic is underfoot. I simply wondered what people here thought of what I shared in my OP. Thanks for your reply.

a reply to: NavyDoc

I see your point. Being new here, I'm still learning to navigate this at times most challenging environment. If the mods want to take my OP down for the reasons you point out, I'm fine with that. I have no problem with how you addressed your concerns in regard to the data I shared, as you did it in a respectful way. Some others here do not seem to have this capability. I do appreciate this second reply. Namaste.

a reply to: projectvxn

I do not assume something apocalyptic is in the works. Just wondering what others here thought. The timing seemed odd. They've been officers for quite some time.

If you are for capital punishment or even for lethal neutralisation of domestic terrorists, then you agree that some US citizens should be killed.
It is just a matter of consistency.

a reply to: queenofswords

No. My nephews are rather brilliant. They were asked something more specific, and more recently, as per my OP. They lead troops. The question was could they order their troops to fire on US citizens domestically.

a reply to: bludragin

The mods won't touch this blu, my friend, it's a refreshing and speculative topic that ATS thrives on...

Don't worry about the nay sayers...
It's in the grey area for a reason, their experience here should tell them to be more open!


Welcome to ATS!

a reply to: bludragin

Understood.

In keeping with the thread topic I have several high school friends who joined the armed forces and many of them have confided in me that they have been asked similar questions. It seems to me that the this question goes around a lot. Again as in your case, I did not ask for context or specifics, only expressed mild dismay. My buddies didn't seem too shaken up about it though.

For clarification: One was Army active duty with three tours in the Middle East, the other a Marine (who never told me much about deployments)

originally posted by: nukedog
Man I wish I can remember where I saw this. This isn't the first time I heard this. I have a feeling this was referenced in the book Empire by Orson Scott. I would have to verify. In the novel, of course the answer is no, for the vast majority of troops but those who say yes are hand picked and groomed for something else. Of course diabolical. I don't want to give the ending away though.

Thanks, I'll look up this book.

originally posted by: bludragin

originally posted by: nukedog
Man I wish I can remember where I saw this. This isn't the first time I heard this. I have a feeling this was referenced in the book Empire by Orson Scott. I would have to verify. In the novel, of course the answer is no, for the vast majority of troops but those who say yes are hand picked and groomed for something else. Of course diabolical. I don't want to give the ending away though.

Thanks, I'll look up this book.

I got it here somewhere. Let me verify if I can. Might take a minute