when will YOU go into "seclusion"? when there are 50 cases? 100 cases? 1000 cases?

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Cornczech

I am already being paranoid. I will stay away from EVERYONE. We have enough cases already to just stay away.

EDIT TO ADD:
Um, there is a huge difference between Flu and Ebola.

I'm sure "FLUBOLA" exists in a weapons lab somewhere.

originally posted by: FurvusRexCaeli
a reply to: Cornczech
I don't eat African bushmeat, handle dead or dying people, or paddle around in bodily fluids, so I'm not susceptible to the usual chains of transmission. I suppose if there were a few hundred local cases I might start to become concerned, but I'm really much more concerned about being hit by a car, slipping on ice this winter, or being the victim of a violent crime. These are not quite as sexy as a bleeding-from-your-eyes hemorrhagic fever, but they're much more probable.

In case you did not know:

What does it take to be exposed to Ebola


The CDC says it is not airborne, because technically it is not, airborne in disease terms means the virus is small enough to travel more than a few feet in a sneeze or cough. The Ebola virus is large and falls within 3-4 feet of a sneeze and so is not technically airborne.

However, the cough and sneeze radius: would include anyone on the airplane to either side of the ill person also, the people behind and in front of the ill person. exposed

Anyone within a 3-4 foot radius - absolutely anywhere - if the sick person sneezes or coughs. exposed, as they walk past you anywhere or sit anywhere within 3-4 feet of you.

Using the urinal , the guy who is ill standing next to you sneezes or coughs or splashes urine on you, even on your clothes if you touch your clothes later. exposed

In an elevator with you anywhere and sneezes or coughs, exposed.


Also, if the person who is ill gets any bodily fluid on their hands - including sweat: whatever they touch will carry the germ long enough (estimates between 8-15 hours)

that if someone who is ill and didn't just wash their hands after sneezing, coughing, using the restroom, touching their eyes or mouth, sweating and you touch it within 8 hours after they do:

for instance touches a restroom slide , exposed

touches anything and you touch it, exposed

touches a door handle or pushes a door open, exposed

all within 8-15 hours after the ill person touches it, exposed


It has been proven that the virus remains live in semen for up to 90 days after the person "gets well". So anyone with any type of sexual contact, or masturbation secretions anywhere - exposed.


The CDC guy on Chris Matthews show
would not say that you could not catch it from
fever sweat that touches and arm rest or seat cushion, exposed


Think I am being a fear monger? Take a look at this.
Instructions for laboratory workers and health care workers:

SOURCES/SPECIMENS: Blood, serum, urine, respiratory and throat secretions, semen, and organs or their homogenates from human or animal hosts Footnote 1 Footnote 2 Footnote 53.
COMMUNICABILITY: Communicable as long as blood, body fluids or organs, contain the virus. Ebolavirus has been isolated from semen 61 to 82 days after the onset of illness, and transmission through semen has occurred 7 weeks after clinical recovery Footnote 1 Footnote 2 Footnote 59 Footnote 60.
Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20 and 250C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa) Footnote 53. When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days Footnote 61.
PHYSICAL INACTIVATION: Ebola are moderately thermolabile and can be inactivated by heating for 30 minutes to 60 minutes at 60°C (140 degrees F), boiling for 5 minutes, or gamma irradiation (1.2 x106 rads to 1.27 x106 rads) combined with 1% glutaraldehyde Footnote 10 Footnote 48 Footnote 50.
www.phac-aspc.gc.ca...

Canadian Health Department and CDC statements:
The Canadian Health Department states that airborne transmission of Ebola is strongly suspected and the CDC admits that Ebola can be transmitted in situations where there is no physical contact between people, i.e.: via direct airborne inhalation into the lungs or into the eyes, or via contact with airborne fomites which adhere to nearby surfaces. That helps explain why 81 doctors, nurses and other healthcare workers have died in West Africa to date.
www.americanthinker.com...

Observation: It appears the US CDC is purposely lying to the American public about Ebola.

If it is so hard to catch, then how did Docs in haz mat suits catch it in Africa? They certainly weren't touching patients.

This is far nastier stuff than the American public is being told, we need to close our borders to people from infected countries until the pandemic is over,

and to protect ourselves,

shut down everywhere infected people have been in the US until 21 days after the last patient has been found,

harsh, yes,

hurt the economy, probably,

but that is better than millions upon millions of deaths.

edit on 10Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:34:33 -0500am101310amk131 by grandmakdw because: format

On a related note, I found out what healthcare workers caring for Patient Zero in Dallas were wearing, including the nurse that now has Ebola. Would love to know your thoughts on this.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Cornczech

Simple fact is that you cannot out run a virus, even more so in this day of age where international travel is so prevalent.

originally posted by: Cornczech
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I think I meant 100 cases in MY city....not just in the US or the world.

I'd bail at 10 cases in MY city... 100 in my county - I'm out.

You figure that could mean ( just based on an 'average' ) as many as 50 'potentially infected' people per infected person. 500 potentials from those 10 at the city level, or 5000 potentials from the 100 at the county level.

I'm not sure what the 'contact to infection' ratio is - but it's also circumstantial, and at that point, we're starting to push my bounds of comfortability.

a reply to: badgerprints

I'm sure "FLUBOLA" exists in a weapons lab somewhere.

My god, dont give them any more ideas! LOL

If you LIVE in fear of death it will find you. Just live and do your best.

a reply to: Cornczech

Just read this. Do you think these protocols from the DVD are adequate?

From USA TODAY Ebola virus: 5 major protocols for health workers The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends a protocol for hospitals to follow when they deal with a known or suspected case of Ebola. It details everything from what health workers should wear to how a body infected with Ebola should be handled. The CDC is blaming a "breach" in this protocol for the first transmission of the Ebola virus in the USA between a health worker and Thomas Eric Duncan, the man who died of Ebola last week. However, it's unclear how that breach happened. Some health experts say the USA lacks a single, national response to Ebola, particularly because public health is primarily a state issue. "Unfortunately, it is possible in the coming days that we will see additional cases of Ebola, " CDC Director Thomas Frieden said in a press conference Friday. usat.ly...

a reply to: Cornczech

You absolutely are being paranoid...and you're in medicine?

Me too...and running away from helping anyone anywhere anytime with anything...even at great personal risk....goes against my nature.

Sorry...

MS
EMT/ERT
Advanced Disaster Life Support

I live in a town of 20,000 and out tri-city area has maybe 85,000. Given how many travel into and out of my town daily and given the geographic location, if even 5 cases are reported near my area, the kids arent going to school and I'll start using PTO.

There are many reasonings and factors as to why. But its mainly because of how fast illnesses spread around these parts and how many cases will go unreported due to lack of knowledge.

not striving to become a hermit... but I have completely stopped the weekly, voluntary, high-risk exposures in my life/ i.e.: performance artists et al

and I am planning to reduce my food & essential shopping to twice a month maximum (after I find a Keg source)

what I do not control are the 'friends' the grandkids bring into the house, so I just add several spray cans of surface and fabric disinfectant to my weekly shopping...

as the pandemic becomes more intense I will devise other retreats or adaptions to the situation...including wearing the stocked respirator more often...
I am glad I undertook to create a low maintenance landscape over the past 3 years...leaving only the rain collection and drip irrigation system for the mini-vineyard left to complete

a reply to: mysterioustranger


I give EYE EXAMS, for Christ's sake......nothing too important...and if I "ran away" I certainly wouldn't be "hurting" anyone by doing so.....

had I chose EMT/RN or anything of that nature...THEN you could lambast me...but I give freakin EYE EXAMS.....

but even so...I am in a closed room for long enough to catch Ebola were this to be airborne......

I don't know why you're reply made me angry...I guess it's due to your assumption......and I also don't consider myself a coward......

glad to know that YOU will stand there and die with the others if this turns out to be as bad as some of us think it will become; all because of your sense of duty.......the world needs bad asses like you too......and I do appreciate that kind of sacrifice....

a reply to: Cornczech

here you go

Ebola Cure on ATS, do your homework on this link and the one in the OP, and then you don't have to be afraid.

You have to learn to take care of yourself.

ATS THREAD ON EBOLA CURE MADE IN 2010

I have been going back and forth between this post and reading, (and watching my Cat from hell on Apple TV...just so my brain doesn't explode in a splatter of over stimulated goo.......)

But I wanted to thank EVERYONE who has responded to my post......sometimes it is good to pick the brains of others...and I greatly appreciate you all.....

let's hope I AM just being "paranoid"

One more shop (friday) and i could live for at least a month without leaving my house, probably a lot longer if i rationed myself a little.

I live alone, with two close neighbours, past their homes the land is clear for around half a mile. I doubt anyone needs to panic and I have no intention of loosing sleep over this.

If 3 people in london catch this without travelling abroad or working in the medical field, I am home for the duration.

Luckily i always stock up at this time of year, it frees up spare money for christmas :-)

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Painterz

No only flu but look at the enterovirus, already claiming more victims specifically children in the US and spreading like wild fire and we are worry about one death ebola man in the US and a sick nurse.

You have a point, it is quite clear now that enterovirus came from south america, it was brought in by the children that the Obama administration sent to every state in the nation. The Obama administration KNEW there were infected children, the Border Patrol told them, but they sent the children all over the US anyway.

Now the Obama administration REFUSES to place a temporary quarantine on allowing people from hot zones to enter the country. AFTER, the Obama administration put their "safeguards" into place an RN who volunteered in a hot zone said that everyone at the airport who was supposed to be the second line of defense just waived her through.

Our government is totally and completely incompetent when it comes to handling disease outbreaks.

a reply to: Cornczech

When more than 2 cases are reported in my town.
Otherwise depends on info at the time.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Please don't limit the incompetence of our government.

You can say "Epic Fail" for pretty much the last six years...

originally posted by: Jansy
a reply to: grandmakdw

Please don't limit the incompetence of our government.

You can say "Epic Fail" for pretty much the last six years...

Touche

I bow to your wisdom

The incompetence is limitless!

I think you are just being paranoid OP, I also hope everyone is just being paranoid too and Ebola doesn't become the next Bubonic plague or Spanish Influenza.

Fact is this current outbreak has been around for months in 3rd world countries and estimated dead sits at around the 4000 mark, a nasty case of the flu in such scenarios could prove more deadly. And no I am not downplaying Ebola, it's a horrid disease and should be eradicated but in my personal opinion people are just being paranoid.

I mean for instance...

How many murders must their be in your city before you don't travel unless your armed?

How many road accidents in your city must their be until you boycott the use of footpaths and roads with vehicular access?

These seem like silly questions don't they? They have reasons though.

If mass killings were happening to the point people were arming themselves and becoming vigilantes I'm pretty sure the authorities will stop that and enforce temporary measures to combat it. Same goes if for some reason vehicular accidents became so prone people were refusing to travel, authorities would enact measures that make people drive more carefully. And dare I say it, if Ebola became so infectious that hundreds of cases started popping up in any given city and mass hysteria had people running for the hills and panic ensues etc etc. Then, authorities would lock down areas and force quarantine down your throats for the safety of others.

If their was a serious outbreak and you weren't part of the initial wave chances are you won't get infected, because any common sensed authorities would isolate the people at risk and or infected. If they didn't... Well that's a whole different kettle of fish and would show complacency and total disregard of life.

IMHO though there will be no Western Ebola epidemic, but if it makes you feel better stock up on bleach and disinfectants. A gasmask would aid a lot in self assurance and peace of mind too.