Duncan family playing the race card

I knew it wouldn't take long for Jesse Jackson to get involved but I'm surprised I hadn't heard about this sooner considering JJ got involved while Duncan was still alive. Maybe I missed it in one of the many posts, if so, mods do your thing. This family will most likely get some money and maybe deservedly so but the hospitals need to get their chit together and fast.

www.freerepublic.com...

Thomas Eric Duncan, the Liberian man who lied on his exit forms and brought Ebola to the United States, died today.

It took less than half a day for his family to come out and blame racism for Duncan’s death.

Jesse Jackson entered the earlier this week. Today, Duncan’s nephew Josephus Weeks appeared on MSNBC with Ronan Farrow. Weeks clearly blamed the care that his uncle received on race.

Farrow interviewed Weeks before Duncan had even died, on Monday, but Jackson had already become part of the story by then. Farrow asked Weeks whether he believed that discrimination played a role in Duncan’s death.

Yep... I tried to find my shocked face, but it seems that it's too worn out to even bother.

How many people in the US are sent home from the hospital every day for whatever reason, only to die or get so much worse they are finally admitted and then they die??

How many...

How many are black? How many are white? I would wager a good amount of money that a few members here have lost a loved one because the hospital didn't take the appropriate action when it could have made a difference.

My dad was one of those. I'm not black. This is an issue about healthcare and how hospitals are dealing with people... NOT an issue of race.

Who even knows if they didn't extend his life as much as they possibly could? It's not like Ebola has a high enough survival rate to be sure enough that had they admitted him those few days earlier he could have been successfully saved. They definitely need to be looked at, but not because they purposefully let a black man die. They are likely highly inept more than racist.

Expect good old Al Sharpton to show up very shortly as well. Those two love stirring the shiite more than anyone else on the planet.

Is anyone in the group US citizens? He was a Liberian, wasn't he.

Go to the US and if you don't like, claim it is a problem due to race.

There very well be some validity to the family's claim.

But perhaps what’s more alarming is the way the hospital has released information about Duncan’s first contact with health care workers. In the very first press conference, a spokesman for Texas Health had nothing to say about Duncan’s gap in care or potential mistakes workers had made. Then the hospital admitted one nurse knew he had come from Liberia, but the information wasn’t properly disseminated. Then they said that a flaw in the workflow of the hospital's electronic health record system was to blame. Then it turned out both doctor and nurse did have access to his travel history, and that there was in fact no flaw with the hospital's record system.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Quite an interesting read about his life and it's history.

a reply to: roadgravel

The fiancé immigrated from Liberia in 1998. There is confusion of his nationality because he has been referred to as American and also Liberian. I going with he wasn't a citizen of the US which is what I initially believed.

The system is bad despite what they want people to believe because of the cost and investment into it. Insurance companies control health care now. In general, it has nothing to do about health, it's about what money they will let lose in your treatment.

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

That's why I don't see it as a race card issue. It should be brought up though and she should be taking it to court to make changes to the system in the future (hopefully). It's annoying to see gollum Jesse Jackson there, because of course it will be entirely about race now that he's involved. But as you mentioned no matter who it is, if they are on the bottom rungs of society and the lower end of socio-economical scale, they don't get the same treatment as others.

The US has the highest per capita cost for healthcare in the world. $8,000 a person per year. Which is crazy since most first world countries are doing it for half the cost, and they offer universal healthcare. That is what needs to really be addressed. Nothings going to change, and the ACA is doomed to fail precisely because of that problem.

Healthcare should cost 50% less than it does now, so unless someone comes along with an axe to the corporate leech that sucks the industry dry, nothings going to change.


And most importantly, people keep saying, "Ebola schmola, you guys are all fear mongering, doom porning the forums!!" but, this is precisely the reason why the US could see an outbreak stateside, because there is one set of rules for the rich, and one for the poor. And one set of healthcare too.

The system is only as strong as its weakest link. That works on a micro and macro level. Just like Africa always suffers the most of all pestilence, it will most likely be Africa that harbours and nurtures possibly this, or some future pandemic which will wipe out half the worlds population. And it would have all been preventable in an equal world, but not in one built on disparity.

The fact remains every other case of Ebola in the U.S. was handled better and given experimental treatment sooner. They have lived, he died. He's black, they're white.

Now, that's not to say there's not *A LOT* more to it - but the optics are bad.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
The fact remains every other case of Ebola in the U.S. was handled better and given experimental treatment sooner. They have lived, he died. He's black, they're white.

Now, that's not to say there's not a lot more to it - but the optics are bad.

Don't forget the guy lied about his contact with people that had it upon entering the country, so they had no base reference to go on, everyone else they knew about the contact and had that leg up...

originally posted by: kosmicjack
The fact remains every other case of Ebola in the U.S. was handled better and given experimental treatment sooner. They have lived, he died. He's black, they're white.

Now, that's not to say there's not a lot more to it - but the optics are bad.

Yeah, I agree and quite frankly, anybody who thinks racism isn't a thing in the US, is downright blind.

Nationalism has played a part in this if you ask me. It's a bit blatant really if you look at the time line.

~Tenth

a reply to: StoutBroux

If you look at the situation in the US objectively, it's clear that much of the social order is organized solely by race.

Those that benefit from this arrangement (e.g. authoritarian class), try to shame the lower tiers into silence. They do that in many ways. Direct terrorist threats, victim shaming, baiting and outright violence.

It's time we not only played "the race card" but played the full effin deck.

Authoritarians are a cancer on a free society. Play the full deck.

a reply to: StoutBroux

I knew it wouldn't take long for Jesse Jackson to get involved but I'm surprised I hadn't heard about this sooner considering JJ got involved while Duncan was still alive. Maybe I missed it in one of the many posts, if so, mods do your thing. This family will most likely get some money and maybe deservedly so but the hospitals need to get their chit together and fast.

Well, pathetic JJ smelled money.

Do they deserve money?
No they don't. For all I know, they all knew he had Ebola. They all endangered the general public with exposing them to a highly lethal virus.

Imagine the aftermath of this family getting money. How many families would claim the same right after a loved one passed away in a hospital. Ridiculous.

a reply to: vkey08
According to the link though, he did disclose to the hospital he was from Liberia.

Lets see he went to the hospital with a fever, I'm assuming he spoke. Was this the only hospital in the country not able to add 1 plus 1? High fever plus African somehow equaled sending him home with a prescription?

Arrrighty then!!!!!

Jesse Jackson inserting himself into the (yet unnanouced) US Ebola "Crisis" and interacting closely with Patient Zero's family members.

I can actually visualize an upside to this.......

Maybe he'd be alive if he hadn't LIED ON HIS ENTRY FORM.

So I have a suggestion for all the 'minorities' that think they're not being treated equally by the system:

1. Stop having children when you're a teenager and unable to support a child, much less yourself.

2. Pay attention in school, get good grades, and go to college.

3. Get training in medicine or whatever else your heart desires, then go ahead and get a good job, paying good money, providing services to both the 'minority' populations, and everyone else.

4. Stop complaining and be part of the solution, rather than part of the (massive) problem.

When hospital personnel first encounter a sick individual, if that person has communication problems even though they've lived their entire lives in the same country, or instead of indicating they have diabetes says something along the lines of 'I've got the sugar' (yes, I've actually heard people say this), then the eyeballs roll internally if not outwardly and while the attempt might be made to provide health services, the reality is there's not all that much someone who sees you a few minutes out of your life can do for you, compared to rank ignorance times a lifetime. Frankly, the nurse or doc will see 20-40 people today and you're not that important.

I'm sorry if this seems racist, but the reality is ignorance kills and the individual is responsible for their health outcome far more than the hospitals or doctors are. Duncan knew he had been exposed to something highly dangerous, he should certainly have known there was Ebola going on in Liberia, and he picked that timing to get on a plane, travel halfway around the world and the excuse was 'he was getting married to his fiancee', who he had apparently been involved with for years... his first presentation at the hospital when he initially took ill was his opportunity to stress that he had been exposed to Ebola. Meekly taking an antibiotic for an undiagnosed illness (?!) and going back home again for two days was the start of the slippery slope downwards that killed him. The hospital is certainly suspect for their handling of this, but if enough people sue the hospitals, no one will have access to even that meager and flawed a resource.

a reply to: kosmicjack

The facts.
He is not a citizen, he knowingly endangered the entire population of our country, he has no health insurance, he was damn lucky he got any care at all, he knowingly lied on his entry form, he waited over 48 hours after symptoms appeared to even seek help, shall I go on?

Man knowingly has unprotected sex with someone who has aids, man then knowingly has sex with upwards of 100 people infecting some, who die. Is this man not guilty of murder? There is no difference in this analogy. Bet your ass his actions will result in more being infected and more death.

Lest we forget if this man had lived you could bet your ass thousands like him would attempt to come here for our health care causing a pandemic.

Had he lived he should have been charged with multiple felonies along with Title 18, section 275 - importing a WMD into the country by unauthorized personnel.

I am confused cause i thought he was trying to kill his family through exposure.

a reply to: StoutBroux

From: US Law Enforcement Professionals

Dear US Medical Professionals,

Welcome to the club!

You may have though it would never happen in a million years, but it has! The people, who only see things from a perspective of race, have now set their sights upon you.

Yes, you may be able to come up with 101 reasons why race had nothing to do with why Mr. Duncan died. Yes, those reasons may be valid, good reasons.

Unfortunately, it does not matter. The claim has been made and the aspersions have been cast upon you and your profession.

In this game, you are guilty of racism until proven innocent. And in this day and age, that is next to impossible to do.

With much respect!

P.S. Please, remember this moment when you see another baseless claim leveled against Law Enforcement by the same people who leveled the claim against you.