tyra banks empowering females with makeup

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: Bluesma
I do not think most men would notice. Besides most husbands say that either way just so they wont have to talk about it because really its a dead end and its likely the last thing on his mind, the majority of men say that even if females need makeup just so that there is some peace of mind. Don't believe me, go up to him with bird # in your hair and say its the newest and latest thing, and whats what he says.

It is all irrelevant, I dont even know why you keep taking about it.

It is the topic of this thread. And I am answering your claim that women put on make up to attract men.
I argue that that is a mistaken assumption about all women.

But it is far from incomprehensible, its why everybody does everything,

Apparently it is incomprehensible to you.

On whether wealth is the only motivation for women

No it is indication of the whole of the female species, in fact its practically science.

You are wrong. But I see no reason to continue to explain to you. It is beyond your comprehension, apparently. Superficial people see only superficiality around them.

Now I know females aren't generally good at communicating things through generally

Your brand of communication, which is almost entirely made up of insults, is ineffective.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: Bluesma

Maybe one of these days you may actually want to make a point instead of just arguing about nothing in circles.

I made several points here. You made repeating insults over and over again. If that serves some sort of internal purpose for you, more power to you. It remains off topic.

a reply to: Bluesma

It is the topic of this thread. And I am answering your claim that women put on make up to attract men. I argue that that is a mistaken assumption about all women.

I do not think I said that women wear makeup solely to attract males. Like I said most males would not notice or care on a day to day basis. Contrary to what you seem to believe I do believe most males have far to many things going to there head about daily life to even think of why any random woman they see on the street or anywhere wears makeup, that is if they notice it. I believe I said it before but you dont seem to read. Its more of a ritual then anything else. Women are vain creatures, even without men around they would do it.

So ya to answer your question, I never said women wear makeup to attract men, you did. With or without makeup it has little to do on who would be attracted to whom.

Apparently it is incomprehensible to you. On whether wealth is the only motivation for women

For a great part of them. Yes that is solely the main motivator, and if they can not get that then they just move on down the line to somebody that they can get the next best thing. You yourself were going on about how guys with money and power turn you on...Well there you have it.

You are wrong. But I see no reason to continue to explain to you. It is beyond your comprehension, apparently. Superficial people see only superficiality around them.

What you mean to say is that you got so caught up in twisting and turning the meaning of words around that you have thought better about arguing with me on it. Because frankly, you bull#ing, and I suppose nobody has ever called you out before simply because your female. So ya! Between the two of us, on who would be superficial, I think you would win hands down.

Your brand of communication, which is almost entirely made up of insults, is ineffective.

Listen, I dont want to chat with you. Its like talking to a wall. What did I tell you at the beginning of all this, stick to your corner, dont go past the lines and then you dont have to worry because you will always be right if you ask the right guys. And everything will be alright. You see your like a goldfish in a bowl, and a pretentious one at that, your ego seems to have been inflated to the max. But I could say the same about many other females.

And unlike you and other females I do not like to waste time with "barbs" and all kinds of wayward nonsense and trying to get at something. I generally call it like I see it, and so far that is what I have seen from you. If it was different I would say so, but to tell the truth I know what you are, and what your about, and really you can go play guessing games and head games with other dudes on the net. And I am quite sure you have done that already, if I bothered to look I am quite sure you have plenty of guy friends on this site who would argue your points in your favor all day long, but I dont because I dont want to waste my time, in fact taking 2 minutes to think about it is a waste of 2 minutes.

In all I have no interest in any of that, or you, and definitely dont want to play no guessing, guess who, mind games with you. So unless you actually have any real thing to say, there is nothing more to say on anything. You may as well admit that you dont give a # about the topic of makeup as well, its kind of obvious.

a reply to: Bluesma

I made several points here. You made repeating insults over and over again. If that serves some sort of internal purpose for you, more power to you. It remains off topic.

You made no points what so ever. I am not aware of any of them, you even keep saying that I said women wear makeup to solely to attract men, which I never said, then you keep going round and round on absolutely nothing concrete.

a reply to: shells4u

I NEED TO WEAR MORE MAKE UP I AM BI-POLAR SO WHAT SHOW IS THIS I NEED HELP....TRULY SHELLS4U

Listen I dont know if you actually are serious asking a question, or just messing around.

But I never seen a female no matter what she was, or what she had, that had all that hard of a time getting the attention of the opposite sex. In fact I seen some real nasty pieces of work who had no trouble at all in attracting the opposite sex, in fact you could eat babies store them in your freezer, or pick you nose and eat your buggers, and chances are you still will find a guy, most especially if your anywhere even close to good looking or even if your not. Hygiene would off course be much more important then makeup any day, but that goes both ways.

But if your serious, I do not think makeup has anything to do with it, or so very little that its meaningless to guys. It may be something that they expect, but mostly its just a thing females do because it helps them feel better about things. Its generally like this, most dudes when they look for females, well first they make sure they got a job, then some cash in the bank, and then they go to a club or a bar, or even a church, or anywhere people congregate and there is a base for such things really, and then they hit on a female, you see that's there makeup, the thing that makes them feel better and have more confidence, and its also the things females look for.

And females, well as long as there semi sane, I dont think most guys would even notice as there pretty much in go mode, ie tunnel vision, in fact most times when they pick a woman to hit on, its more or less random. But there are some rules. First: You seen how generally women even really hot women generally go for the more average guys, in fact the same is true for the majority of guys out there. Like most women go for guys they know they can handle or believe wont cheat on them because there not overly good looking or overly rich that they can get other women, or anything of that nature, even if there generally rich they tend to go for the less good looking ones as a safety net.

But in short men do the same thing, if there tall they generally go for those females that are shorter then them, even the shorter guys go for somebody that is shorter then them. Its more of a physical thing then in females case, but its spot on. And yes even though they may make a big deal about good looks or any of that most guys go for the less attractive females for pretty much the same reasons why females do as well, but mostly they go for those that they believe will give them less headaches, its the equivalent of the female rich guy safety net, less problems and less headaches. Or so they all like to believe.

So ya, in a way everything sort of just balances out, and both males and females generally go toward the same ends, only by different means. So if you really are worried about not finding a guy because your bi-polar. Well I seen plenty of guys with bi-polar females, so I really do think your just messing around. And in fact I think all women are bi-polar in one way or another, the trick is however to find the right frame of mind and the right lifestyle that it sort of phases that out or compliments it or hides it.

In all its simple, just do your thing and when it happens, try not to bull# to much on things. Just manage and go along and dudes will basically believe anything as long as you put out the right airs and believe it yourself, but after the whole initial phase of knowing one another you may want to actually sit the guy down and straight out tell him what is up. That would get you farther then trying to hide things, or being who your not, because sooner or latter its going to come out.

As for how much makeup you need. I am quite sure you would know a lot more about that then me.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: shells4u

Listen I dont know if you actually are serious asking a question, or just messing around.

But I never seen a female no matter what she was, or what she had, that had all that hard of a time getting the attention of the opposite sex.

I think that person is just messing around.
But I can't help pointing out- she said NOTHING about attracting the other sex. She said

I NEED TO WEAR MORE MAKE UP I AM BI-POLAR SO WHAT SHOW IS THIS I NEED HELP....TRULY SHELLS4U

You see a reference to guys?
You wrote six paragraphs arguing why women don't need make up to get guys. Which was not indicated in that post at all.

Simplicity isn't any more efficient than complexity when someone is willingly refusing to open their mind and consider a different perception.

a reply to: Bluesma
I really dont know why I am even talking to you, and she did not say if she was messing around or not, I suspect she may have been, but either way...Whatever. Do you always speak for other people now? I mean it seems your telling me what I said now, and when I say I never said that. Well mysteriously now the topic changes...Again.

I think that person is just messing around. But I can't help pointing out- she said NOTHING about attracting the other sex. She said

You see a reference to guys? You wrote six paragraphs arguing why women don't need make up to get guys. Which was not indicated in that post at all. Simplicity isn't any more efficient than complexity when someone is willingly refusing to open their mind and consider a different perception.

So what are you saying? That she is a lesbian? Or is wanting to maybe know about wearing makeup so she could attract other females, or who knows maybe she could be wearing makeup because she wants to attract bears...But no that makes no sense either bears like honey and picnick baskets, not makeup...OH wellz. Ok maybe she wears makeup because she likes it, I even heard one of the queens of England did that, so much so that I think she died of the poisoning in the makeup they used at the time, also I think they had to chisel some of it off her face when she died. For all I know it could all be for #z and giggles. You all can do as what you want, I dont think anybody cares.

Listen you have nothing to argue. Admit it.

And believe it or not I am trying to chat with you without the insults. Look I have even done that without calling you any mean names even. Personally I think I deserve a cookie because it was quite an accomplishment it really took a whole lot of effort and I had to scrap a lot of things which I wrote, or re-write them again in such a way as it would not insult your sensibilities.

Now your better off just telling me what it is you want, or why your really going on about nothing and in circles over nothing, because I dont want to argue about makeup with you, its sort of pointless. But I suppose for somebody like you it would be impossible to admit that, I have heard that human females always want to be right even and when there so obviously wrong.

Hey listen! If I agree to agree with you, will that make you go away? If so, then I totally agree with what you said...YA makeup, women totally just wear it for the #z and giggles and in no way what so ever has to do anything with looking better or as to attract the opposite sex...OK! See, we are like in concordance now...OK!

Galad, I was answering this comment you made to me-

you even keep saying that I said women wear makeup to solely to attract men, which I never said

You have said it repeatedly, which was why I attempted to point out that there are other reasons women use make up besides that.

I was pointing out your assumption, which was expressed again, right after you posted the above.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: Bluesma
So what are you saying? That she is a lesbian? Or is wanting to maybe know about wearing makeup so she could attract other females, or who knows maybe she could be wearing makeup because she wants to attract bears...

I have gone in depth to explain that oftentimes make up is not used to attract or get ANYONE. It is a matter of ones own feeling about their self and the image that they see in the mirror reflecting a visual or physical expression of what they feel are the best internal qualities.

I will not try again. If you could grasp that concept, and then just say, well I disagree, that would be totally rational. You have the right to your own opinion! But as you are not able to comprehend this idea, no matter what angle it is approached from, stimulated me to try again, look for another way of explaining, with different analogies, words, or examples. It was a repeated challenge to my verbal skills.

I was not (am not) looking for you to agree with me (like I said earlier). I was just hoping you could understand what the concept is you are disagreeing with, so that your disagreement has some validity.
But I see that you are unable to wrap your mind around this for some reason or another, so I won't try to explain it again, don't worry.

Yes, I do appreciate your effort to curb the personal slant on the subject. If that was very hard for you to do, I thank you for the try, at least.

I thought of adding a pic of a cookie, but was afraid that would be taken as patronizing, rather than just a shared bit of humor between us.

a reply to: Bluesma

You have said it repeatedly, which was why I attempted to point out that there are other reasons women use make up besides that. I was pointing out your assumption, which was expressed again, right after you posted the above.

Listen I originally said they wear it because it is a habit and a ritual. I even said most men if not all would not even notice it on a day to day basis. Then somehow from somewhere you keep saying that i said women wear makeup solely to attract men. Your not even a good troll, they usually at the very least have more then one topic to hook on.

But you know what? Whatever. I changed my mind solely because your annoying and since you have nothing other to say you bring up the same thing over and over. So ya I will now say that women wear makeup to attract men, and maybe bears. Though I am not sure on the bear part, however I have never seen a bear near a woman who had on makeup, so maybe who knows, and statistically speaking I have never seen a bear and a woman who had makeup next to each other ever not even in a magazine, no doubt there is some sort of correlation there, and maybe they wear makeup because it keeps bears away. Something to ponder no?

OK so to retort, women wear makeup to attract men and as a form of bear repellent...OK. Now that settled lets move on to other topics.

I have gone in depth to explain that oftentimes make up is not used to attract or get ANYONE. It is a matter of ones own feeling about their self and the image that they see in the mirror reflecting a visual or physical expression of what they feel are the best internal qualities.

OK but what about the bears. How effective is it as a bear repellent. Since it seems you go on about makeup and such, no doubt you must wear a lot of makeup. So have you ran into any bears lately? If not then that statistically means that bears must be afraid of makeup for some reason, maybe its the smell it gives off or who knows what.

I will not try again. If you could grasp that concept, and then just say, well I disagree, that would be totally rational. You have the right to your own opinion! But as you are not able to comprehend this idea, no matter what angle it is approached from, stimulated me to try again, look for another way of explaining, with different analogies, words, or examples. It was a repeated challenge to my verbal skills.

Or maybe you just dont want to admit that your bull#ing. But who knows eh! I do not think your opinion is indictment of every single woman out there, in fact even though they put on makeup on a daily basis, the only time I have seen them ever really apply it was when they were going out, and generally to clubs or bars or any such gathering were there were going to be people both male and female. And well what do people generally do or for what reasons do they go to clubs and bars and any such gatherings? Like I said its a ritual either way, but that ritual has its roots and basis in something now doesn't it.

I was not (am not) looking for you to agree with me (like I said earlier). I was just hoping you could understand what the concept is you are disagreeing with, so that your disagreement has some validity. But I see that you are unable to wrap your mind around this for some reason or another, so I won't try to explain it again, don't worry.

Oh I can wrap my mind around it. Its not hard. What is hard to fathom is why you keep bringing it up. Because there really is nothing to say on the subject. Its like somebody a stranger on the street coming up to you and going "I like corn, corn makes me feel good, it given me power" To which you can only respond....OK dude, corn is awesome.

Yes, I do appreciate your effort to curb the personal slant on the subject. If that was very hard for you to do, I thank you for the try, at least. I thought of adding a pic of a cookie, but was afraid that would be taken as patronizing, rather than just a shared bit of humor between us.

Well personally I think you owe me a cookie for having to read all that you wrote. But then I thought better on it, and really I would not want anything you give me, who knows what you did with it, maybe poison it or something. And so I went downstairs and got me some Oreo cookies. Just so you know they were delicious.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

Why complain that someone writes about make up and empowerment,

On a thread which is EXACTLY on THAT subject?

If you are so eager to change the topic, then perhaps I should have reported that to the mods,

instead of trying to steer it back each time.

Posting off subject is against the rules here, dude.

So is personal slanderous insults, (which despite your claim of effort to restrain, remains the main content of your posts).

Just a gentle reminder~~

Discuss the topic and not each other.
Personal jabs and off topic remarks detract from the discussion....You are responsible for your own posts.

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a reply to: Lyxdeslic

well.. kinda..
but there's waaaay more to it
like i was mentioning a few posts back (about the male/female union)

if we examine this initial paragraph from galad..

I dont think it matters that much though females should probably want to look for a bit better role models, also they seem to be easily influenced by such things on the tubes or by pretty much any group or entity with a bit of mental projection ability and subverting skills.

..and do the cursory studies on the esoteric & psychological male/female stuff

the male is POWER - women are attracted to power
the female is BEAUTY - men are attracted to beauty

(edit) as i go through the other pages now, this starts to pop-up anyway

bluesma: ....She wants to feel beautiful, he wants to feel strong....

good.. (/edit)

even with this tiny little insight,
..it should instantly become clear what this "stuff" is all about
and why delusional people like Tyra are recruited to sell it

the shift from organizations to individuals selling this stuff can be compared to the death of the mainstream news organizations shifting over to sourcing footage supposedly from "activists" etc..
~~it's always about supposedly bypassing all the corporate bull# & supposedly directly empowering yourself
and it's always bull#



ok, well i just noticed there are pages & pages of stuff here & i'll have to actually read it before posting anything else


oh, it seems to be mostly galad winding someone up..


ok, well it looks like they know eachother previously..

it's kinda funny reading all this (up to page 3 now) there's been a lot i would've liked to respond to
like this one

Today and even back in Babylon we have lived under a subverted matriarchy under the disguise of a patriarchy.

and this bit

We're getting to things we can agree upon! No matter what, as individuals, or as a society, we always have a masculine and feminine side to us, repress one in favor of the other consciously, the other will just be a subconscious (and usually bitter, subversive, perverted) hidden influence. The taboo effect. This is why I tend to think it is better to value both, and consciously acknowledge their qualities, rather than try to reject them. They play a part regardless.

I simply objected to your opinion that the female influence is dominant in our society. It is influencial and active though!

more on that here (butterfly dunes topic) & the sig. link
/shrug

/finished reading... gah!
..one day i'll have to go over this topic again
but after reading all this in one go.. hafta go decompress now
blues, you can see galad isn't entirely stupid, he's just like, uhh, "male encoded"
PMSL "one of you bitches musta hurted him"

& btw
by now you will have noticed what this "stuff" is all about
and how these types (of men) are the types of "wild animals" you (women) are meant to be "domesticating"
and how this internal female aspect (adequately balanced) is the thing that will save us from ourselves

originally posted by: UNIT76

..and do the cursory studies on the esoteric & psychological male/female stuff

the male is POWER - women are attracted to power
the female is BEAUTY - men are attracted to beauty

even with this tiny little insight,
..it should instantly become clear what this "stuff" is all about
and why delusional people like Tyra are recruited to sell it

See, for me, beauty IS power. It is feminine power.
Masculine power has a different form, but in both cases, it is power that people are attracted to.
Think of the power of fire and the power of water.

Water has a long term type of effect- the Grand Canyon was carved out of rock by water!
Fire has short term effect, it's influence is quickly observed and evident.


Water seeks balance.... always seeking an equal level, a merging oneness.
Fire seeks a contrast, between light and darkness- the flame and the black carbonized materials it has touched.

The beauty of the changing colors in the ocean, or the reflective quality of bodies of water, may seem diffused and gentle,
but their movements can still have a profound effect upon land, and life forms. Tides and tidal waves can be formidable forces.
They are still necessary for life to exist and survive.

If you look at emotions like aggressivity, and explosive force, they have a power that is like fire. (masculine)
Emotions like love, grace, forgiveness, they have a power like water. (feminine)

It is a mistake to under estimate the less obvious, yet just as strong, power of water- don't forget, water can put out a fire too.

Women are aware of the power of water that they have inside, and when they see balance in their features, colors reflecting the light, the conformity of color in their skin, they see their water power manifest in physical form.

When men grunt and sweat lifting weights in front of a mirror, or feel/hear the growl of a big engine under them, or experience another man backing away from them in a confrontation, they experience their fire power manifest in the physical world.

It is not necessary for a person of the other sex to be present and acknowledging it for them to experience it, and enjoy it. Men can totally enjoy driving a race car, with no woman around to impress. Just as women can enjoy feeling beautiful with no man around to impress!

When someone seeks to figure out how to experience their power emerging, and they look for some advice and guidance on how to do that, they are more likely to listen to someone who seems to have achieved it!
Women are not going to ask a person with a disharmonious and unkept appearance how to coax their inner beauty to emerge in ways it can be seen and experienced.
Men are not going to ask a weak looking, timid, passive-behaved man how to get their inner force to emerge for experience either.

In some places, they might turn to someone local, in their own village or neighborhood, who fits these ideas.
But in a time where people spend more time on their android phone, or in front of the tv, then actually being aware of who lives in their own neighborhood, it is pretty normal that they will look for those examples in the media instead.

a reply to: Bluesma

preachin' to the choir there
starred & licked
it's just that part at the end where my panties get all bunched
where you're talking 'bout android phones & shillebrities like that..

i don't like the word "normal" being used there
like saying, "it's ok"

..because i think that's why they've set up the whole ant farm this way in the first place
and where people like Tyra enter the equation..
..and i think among galads vitriol, he was probably also trying to say something along those lines (re: butterfly dunes)
(we somehow managed to get back to square 1 just now)

yech.. big sticky deja-vu moment just now O_o

a reply to: Bluesma

..most of that i'll just agree with
a shame it is not more widely known & distributed
how to "fine tune" a man..?
bruce lee would've been a handy example of one of these rare men who understood & incorporated this water/feminine principle (and taught it)
muhammed ali would've also been ..familiar at least with this stuff (and taught it)

..the 'good' male teachers don't seem to last too long in the spotlight
the female stuff is an underground stream & survives that way..
see if you can go over the linked sig. topic & the butterfly dune topic one day,
you don't seem to mind typing, i reckon you'd have a thing or two to contribute there
thanks for your previous post here, i'll be using that as a reference link

Sorry, I was enjoying the stream of thought which was tumbling through the rocky beds of my mind,
and writing it out keeps it flowing. I sometimes forget others feel slightly obligated to read it all, when it is a response to them. I wish there was a button for "inspired by this post________" instead!

I have long thought
There should be some teaching for girls
about the feminine power.
How to understand it, tap it, control it, not abuse it.
And I do not mean the power to manipulate men through sexual attraction.
That is what "they" want girls to believe is their only power.

I wish there was...

*inspired by* Bluesma

try to go over the sig. link one day
(and the butterfly dunes topic)
i left all that info there for people like you..
..who seem to understand these things

I refer to this as an "of a kind" relationship. People try to create others like themselves to justify their actions. If enough people believe in something it becomes reality in their world. If their world is shared by many others little worlds, it becomes reality in society.

Just because something is accepted by society and considered legal does not mean it is right. Society dictates what is legal, the upper people in society decide if they have to follow the laws. We may be forced to follow the concensus of the time to be socially accepted, but believing in it is not required, as long as you do not tell others your true feeling. In society you should repeat things like a parrot that society totes as real and not rock the boat. The question we should be asking is do we really need to be in that boat in the first place. As you get old, you can see that it is far less rocky and sickening just to sit on shore, it also is cheaper since you do not have to own a boat.

So ACT like you believe this reality that society creates and refrain from outright challenging it. Each different circle in society has their own strange little quirks, understanding that is critical. Respect others rights to create their own little world unless it interferes with yours in a negative ways. Inform them that their reality seems to conflict with yours if they are stepping on your toes before you get mad. If they don't listen, then use disgression to take appropriate action, like informing the public officials that govern this. Now the public officials may share their reality so this makes it difficult sometimes. Learn to join into many others realities on a social basis and this can help you to fend off those who try to step on your toes as they climb their ladder.

I may be a lot off topic with this post, boats and all.

a reply to: Bluesma
Who's complaining. I have said time and time again its a non issue, in fact the majority of women I have come across do not have any real issues. Some so much so that they invent some just to get attention or play head games, the majority of which have been so pampered and coddled by both men and society that there not even aware of it.

But yes, your the one who said makeup makes you feel powerful. Well as to that any sane person. Or at least any sane person that would not think with his private parts would think. "OK so what the hell does that mean?" I mean in what way does makeup make you powerful?

You see I think you one of those women who probably has been indulged in her entire life simply because of the fact that she is female. Its obvious and it comes out in droves from you, in fact I would bet that nobody especially no guy ever asked more then the answer you wanted to hear in anything in your whole life. And why is that? Well simply because of biology ie that female power you so go on about. Dont be sad about it, its something a great many other females are cursed with as well.

Now lets see. What exactly is this power that your talking about concerning makeup? I mean you say it has nothing to do with attracting guys right? So what then? Do you wear makeup and what power does it give you? Does it make you faster then a speeding bullet? Does it give you the ability to see in the dark? Does it really keep bears away? Do you get a discount at stores because of it? Well that's a possibility, depending on if the cashier was male of female. What exactly is this power and why does it make you feel confident? I mean, here we are going back and forth over and over, and like I said long before. Its a non issue, its a big duh!

Now when do you wear makeup, do you wear it before you go to sleep? Do you wear it while your at home watching TV because it helps you see better, do you wear it when you take a shower to better feel the power of the water, or when you out working in the garden or when you taking out the garbage? I mean what exactly is this power that makeup give you? I mean you keep saying that it has nothing to do with men. But lets just say that I am doubtful.

So ya! Who is on topic who isn't? If the topic is makeup and this supposed power it gives you and other females..Well, to put it nicely...I call shenanigans on all that bull that you have said.

And so were back were we started we come full circle back to were we started. And once again, like I said its all a non issue, and I am not the one making a issue out of it, In fact I was content to let it at being just a habit and ritual like I said in my other posts, but even that off course is not even a quarter of the tale.

But ya! You know what!....WHATEVER.

a reply to: UNIT76

..and do the cursory studies on the esoteric & psychological male/female stuff
the male is POWER - women are attracted to power
the female is BEAUTY - men are attracted to beauty

Well thats nice and all. But you forget one thing. All of that is merely just a matter of opinion, and not only that but opinion which is subject to change in any given day on any given matter sometimes with the flip of a coin or whatever the winds of popular opinion blows.