Supreme Court paves way for gay marriage in several states, leaves issue unresolved nationally

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: itguysrule
But when they start trying to force me to change my beliefs and how I choose to live my life that does affect me.

No one can force you to change your beliefs. And if you're a baker, and you bake wedding cakes for a living, making another one isn't going to change how you live. You're already making them. Making one for a gay couple isn't a change. It's status quo.

It is not status quo. It is clear to me that you don't understand religious people and how they view the world. In our view actions matter. If I support or provide services for an event then I become part of it. If that event, such as a gay marriage ceremony, is something I believe is wrong in the sight of God then I cannot participate in any way. Using lofty terms such as "equality" does not hid the underlying motive of forcing a person to do what they believe is wrong.

a reply to: itguysrule

Funny that you use the term lofty but still adhere to the bastardized canon of an ancient religion.

a reply to: itguysrule

It's wrong to make a cake?

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: itguysrule

It's wrong to make a cake?

Yes.

Unless it's a red velvet cake.

Then it's very right.

originally posted by: intrepid
It's wrong to make a cake?

Only yellow cake. Then you get invaded.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: itguysrule

It's wrong to make a cake?

I definitely wouldn't bake a cake for you! You have 23 million stars - you don't need a cake.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: intrepid
It's wrong to make a cake?

Only yellow cake. Then you get invaded.

Agreed. Yellow cake gets you invaders.

They're coming over the hill
They've come to attack
They're coming in for the kill
There's no turning back
Invaders
Fighting
Invaders
Marauding

originally posted by: itguysrule

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: beezzer
I'm glad you were against businesses refusing to serve people or even allow people entry to their business who had firearms on their person then.

Firearms are not US citizens and are not owed "rights". It's perfectly legal to discriminate against firearms by not allowing them on business premises. Same with dogs, backpacks and dirty clothes. Businesses have the right to disallow these non-citizen items.

So you can refuse service to a person if they have a firearm or a dog or a backpack or dirty clothes but not just because you don't want to serve them? What if the person with the firearm, dog, backpack and dirty clothes was gay or black or a Muslim? Could you still refuse to serve them? What does the law say on that? With respect, I fail to follow that logic.

If you tell the gay person that once they leave the gun/backpack/dog/dirty clothes at home, they are welcome into the store - that's not discrimination. They can't leave their homosexuality at home, so refusing service due to their sexuality IS discrimination. I suppose you could demand that they convert to heterosexuality before you provide service, but that's a bit more complicated than just asking them to leave their gun in the car.

originally posted by: corvuscorrax
a reply to: itguysrule

Funny that you use the term lofty but still adhere to the bastardized canon of an ancient religion.

Oh snap! I guess I have been wrong about everything in my life. Thanks for your help.

originally posted by: itguysrule
It is not status quo.

If you make cakes every day for fornicators, liars, divorced people, making one for a gay couple is status quo.

It is clear to me that you don't understand religious people and how they view the world.

If only that were true. I'm afraid I understand them very intimately.

If I support or provide services for an event then I become part of it.

Then you shouldn't own a business in a state with anti-discrimination laws. If you agree to obey business law, then you have to do it. No one is forcing you to own a business.

a reply to: intrepid
You are claiming not having a cake causes harm. Why is it only people with money are allowed to live their lives without that harm?

Anyways, the government cannot force me to contract with anyone, for any reason. Why shouldn't a baker have the same rights as I do?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
If you make cakes every day for fornicators...

Whoa, whoa, whoa, stop the clock.

I am very far removed from being an 'every day fornicator'. I am originally from Nantucket. Enough said.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: intrepid
You are claiming not having a cake causes harm. Why is it only people with money are allowed to live their lives without that harm?

Your comparison was ridiculous. If one can't afford a cake..... what's the issue?

Anyways, the government cannot force me to contract with anyone, for any reason. Why shouldn't a baker have the same rights as I do?

They sure can if you own a public business.

a reply to: intrepid
No, they cannot. I do not work without a contract, and I will not sign a contract with a person I do not want to work for.

originally posted by: itguysrule

originally posted by: [post=18501442]Annee

How does a gay couple getting married affect you? It doesn't.

A gay couple getting married absolutely does not affect me. But when they start trying to force me to change my beliefs and how I choose to live my life that does affect me.

OK..I have to ask...How are gay people "forcing" you to change your beliefs and how you live your life?

I hear people who say stuff like this and it honestly confuses me.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: intrepid
No, they cannot. I do not work without a contract, and I will not sign a contract with a person I do not want to work for.

If you TELL a person that you don't work with black people or that you refuse to work with them because they're Muslim (or they suspect that's the reason they were refused), and they sue you, you will be held to the anti-discrimination laws on your state.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: intrepid
No, they cannot. I do not work without a contract, and I will not sign a contract with a person I do not want to work for.

If you TELL a person that you don't work with black people or that you refuse to work with them because they're Muslim, and they sue you, you will be held to the anti-discrimination laws on your state.

I believe he lives in Canada. It's worse here. Human Rights tribunals. You can actually do time for that up here.

a reply to: Indigo5
How about forcing a photographer to attend and document gay wedding? Yeah, it happened.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
I simply tell whoever I do not want the job. Simple as that. I have done so for many reasons, and will continue to do so with jobs I do not want to take.

originally posted by: intrepid
I believe he lives in Canada.

Oh... That explains a lot...

JUST KIDDING! LOL