Bill Maher on Liberals That Defend Muslim Atrocities

a reply to: tadaman


Bill still just cant go all the way with real liberalism. He's still gots to take his jabs.


What I mean is.....if someone wants to tell a gay paparazzi guy to "suck his d**k" that's their buzz. Thats being liberal to me. Not having to do an apology tour and promising to be more sensitive. Man up you little babies. Just kids being kids that's what kids do?

Bills church is the mighty church of the PC were offence is a one way street. Tool.

originally posted by: GeisterFahrer

originally posted by: charles1952
a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Sucking up to whom? American politicians and leaders?

Thanks for the edit.

So you think he's sucking up to the religious right wing, which is really opposed to ISIS and is afraid of Islam? I'm sorry, I just don't understand.

You might begin to understand after you realize Bill Maher was "talking down to" American Liberals as if their antics disgust even him.

yeah right ... liberals don't disgust him ... he just knows that the fun and games are about over ..

Looks like Bill is trying to do damage control. The ultra libs are starting to make the regular libs and the whole dope show thing look bad. You know defending head hackers because they are hacking heads ah because their country is always getting invaded and other dumbass excuses. You know....that's just what some Muslims do.

a reply to: Logarock

I agree. True liberalism is absolutely tolerant. ESPECIALLY of those people and things that are completely against it. There is no greater sign of tolerance than to accept your supposed enemies as they are.

That is why I turned away from liberal ideologies. My family with the exception of my father is very liberal. My sisters are avid feminists and my mother was a spiritual new ager at heart. I found myself not being willing to honestly commit entirely with that ideology. I tried and I could not accent my enemies for one. I found it more evil and counterproductive to real peace to do so. Always worrying about offending people led me to be foul to all. Always living with the fear of being wrong made me useless. ect...

I found that by giving yourself to your beliefs entirely is the only way to truly become the change you will to see. It really is all or nothing, if not its BS. I found at my center a point of balance. Neither "good" nor "evil". I havent looked back since.

In this instance, for Maher, I see his middle ground. If he is capable of auto criticism then I am capable of listening to his words. Even if it is written by someone else and is ripe with ulterior motives, the true effect is that those that are worthy and honest in his camp re-evaluate their mindset and either turn away or focus truly and honestly on what they believe.

I seek balance in the words of those I listen to, if not I shut them off. No one is my champion and I distrust and also surrender to my Gods completely. My God is human as well as infinite and so knows his faults when judging mine. There are no heroes greater than anti heroes for me. There is no greater truth than the human truth. My absolute is perfectly flawed.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I agree with what you say with the exception that Liberals do sometimes defend those things by defying the opposition to them.

I do not want to go too far into this since like I said, I ultimately agree with you, BUT,

If someone is always worried about never causing a blemish or stain on a thing they know to be surrounded by filth...then they will always fail and always be the greatest cause of that blemish or stain.

Let me explain without flowery language.

If a liberal is ALWAYS worried about not creating ANY negative sentiment against Muslims then they will in effect also be worried about not creating negative sentiment against Bad Muslims, those we call RADICALS. In order to denounce them we must move beyond the term HUMAN or human nature. They are acting out of false and perverted interpretations of ISLAM. To not make that distinction does a great disservice towards truly separating the good Muslims from the bad.

If I see that no affront can be made to something and I know that some inherent evil is being defended as a result, then I will react by opposing that defense of evil no mater the good it supposedly preserves as well.

If I was an evil person pitted against that good, I would use that defense which includes that obvious evil to vilify the good of it I am against. I would be the only one making the distinction and it would be up to my digression. If we want to combat the radicals who give Muslims a bad name or those that denounce ALL Muslims, then we MUST make the distinction ourselves. Not the extreme against or for them. WE must. The majority in the center, Muslim or not alike.

a reply to: 727Sky

No no, it was here on ATS. It doesnt really bother me, I just thought it relevant to show that extremes in either direction lead us to use words towards those we see as being against us. I was being attacked out of fear that I was an opponent of all Islam and so the attack was in defense of ALL of Islam, good and bad, since I was only speaking against radical Islam...It was inherently a defense of radical and moderate Islam alike. I only denounced Radical Islam and its actions yet I was seen as an opponent of all Muslims. Its what I am referring to when I say that radical Islam is sometimes defended by knee jerk liberalism with no actual substance or thought behind it.

Also I avoid these topics when with people I dont care about. I dont revel in false and tense peace. I would always prefer to be declared and to stand and be counted. If not I really dont care at all. If the person I am being honest with holds it against me and forgoes everything else I am I would rather know that upfront so as to tell them to get the hell out of my life or respect the mutual distance, or else. True peace or complete war, there is no negotiating in demilitarized zones of uncomfortable topics at the dinner table or work. If not I just ignore you completely and always smile your way.

a reply to: tadaman

I don't really mind Bill. I just wear a hazmat suit and a face shield when I listen or watch. He's like that Gallagher guy who smashes assorted objects. Bill doesn't smash gerbils though.

a reply to: Logarock

Good comparison. LOL

I just dont watch TV anymore. Anything I look for online is strictly case specific or completely random.

He just doesnt really fit into those parameters is all. I will now not discard him him from that deck though. If I see something interesting I will give it a listen. He won some major points with me by being honest and correcting his base on this one issue. It could backfire on him and he took that risk. Even if it is a Zionist agenda driven response to liberal support for Islam. ( I dont see it or care). I say the effect turns noble when given to the average audience.

a reply to: tadaman

I noticed the applause diminished when he addressed the more serious human right violation in Islamic countries, compared to the whoops and hollers in the beginning.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Yeah, I figure that applause sign was burning out a bulb in the background. Its not easy to self evaluate or to hear something besides the front line of your arrogance from your champions.

I have learned to listen to "America bashing" for example. ESPECIALLY criticisms of it from its greatest heroes. If I value their insight, then I value their insight...period. If not I want to see what its opponents see. I dont like it and wouldn't applaud it, but I listen and make sure I know where I stand, truly.

I listen to criticism of the right from time to time and have found many areas for improvement where had I not I would have just gotten pouty and angry leaving no room for growth.

Criticism is sometimes good, though not well received..especially when it comes from your heroes.

a reply to: tadaman

I really wonder how aware some people in his audience are of the circumstances people face in other countries, I'm betting many don't even know.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: tadaman

His is only not off base because what he says does happen, but where does he get that liberals defend what these people in ME do?
And you are seeing women mutilated and/or killed? Or seeing their rights being stripped from them like he talks about in his rant?

I have been attacked on forums by liberal posters for for years for exposing some of the atrocities

a reply to: Stormdancer777

When I read your post I think of those ISIS fighters from the UK that wanted to come back home after seeing the reality of that which they supported. I am in no way saying they were liberal. Probably FAR from it. I am just saying that the reality is always different to what you think it is from afar.

Nothing is as it seams and you can only trust YOU. Most things are BS. Be and commit entirely to you and who you are. Never carry the banner of another and never wage war for something you are not truly and completely at heart.

a reply to: charles1952

I never understood the denial, being, that stoning, beheading , these are the law of the land in many countries.

Reformation anyone?

a reply to: tadaman


There are a number of comics that make hay pointing out things from their liberal perspectives. And its funny. What you don't see are comics that work from a conservative perspective making hay out of lefty pet position hypocrisy.

I mean you don't see "How many gay guys does it take to...." jokes. But Bill will shoot at praying.

Like here's a good all inclusive joke.

How many gay guys does it take to properly desecrate a statue of praying Jesus? 3. One to work the front, one to work the back and one catholic priest reading Latin over the thing.

a reply to: Logarock

I love dark humor for that reason. IMO it humanizes the side you see as strange. Not going too far into territory just flaming and reveling in that ignorance though. I laugh my ass off when my friends pop jokes about my heritage for example because it makes it less weird for them and me as a result.

In contrast, I take offence when some idiot pops jokes because he thinks he is truly superior or I am inferior because of my heritage. It just makes it weird for me. Its all about intent.

The best humor is self deprecating. Always will be.

EDIT TO ADD:
I am in Mexico sorting out my wifes immigration status.

I was talking to my friend yesterday. He asked how was Mexico. I told it was nice, MEXICAN. I got a new sombrero so the sun wasnt beaming down on me so much while picking fruit for gringos. A while back another friend asked when I was coming back, I told him that I was thinking about lying about my families age and getting a free bus ride into the US as minors. "I hear you get a free ham samich and water to boot!" I told him.

When I left my buddies were poping jokes about how I was going to come back with a huge stache and snake cowboy boots.

I know its weird for them to have a friend who they grew up with in middle class USA having to move to Mexico while his Mexican wife is dealing with the immigration process. I would be so weirded out if they had to placate to me and lie about their real feelings about it. Now its just another thing in life for us. I am their friend with a Mexican wife and half Mexican kids. Its not some BS PC issue with us where I feel I need to look for their real feelings to surface. I know their Irish, Italian and German families get the same face I do when they ask about me. "him, oh he is trying to cross the border but is still stocking up on water for the desert.". The truth is revealed and I am not made in to some sort of special needs case where their PC niceties are required for them to pretend to respect me. I know they love me and my Mexican ass family and our very Mexican issues. LOL

Honesty is everything.

a reply to: tadaman

Oh, very far from being liberal, what shocks me is why liberals align themselves with Islamic fundamentalism, while in the same breath criticizes everything Christian,and why Islam aligns itself with the liberal left, I even started s topic on the subject, how certain groups who are more conservative and extreme than most Christians vote democrat.

And why?

a reply to: tadaman

I don't care much for Bill Maher, in fact I don't care much for any talking heads on TV. However, many Muslims in the West (especially within Europe) have an "Us VS Them" mentality. Many see us Westerners as inferior, and therein lies a lot of the problems we're faced with today. Even many moderates believe they follow in the one true religion and that we, the West, are nothing more than sub-humans. I also believe that it's one reason many don't speak out against Islamic violence which is becoming more and more prevalent in the West.

I've known many Muslims here in Europe back when I was a liberal, much of how they spoke and acted is what turned me into what I am today: One that believes Islam as a whole to be a threat towards peace.

a reply to: Auricom

I dont think Islam as a whole is the probelm. I think the way we deal with differences is the root of the problem.

We think that the only common ground is to surrender part of who we are or to affirm who we are as if its being threatened.

The truth is we just need to accept the differences and not compromise on important aspects of us.

I saw an article about KFC not allowing alcohol wipes to be given out at certain location where the Muslim population might be offended. They were waiting for lemon based wipes to arrive so NO ONE got wipes for weeks. The Muslim response from the community was a WTF!?

The leadership at KFC thought that by being extra PC and considerate that they would be winning the Muslim population over. They just made it weird for them and now they feared this being seen as something they asked for. Now they have to fear resentment from the community they are trying to be a part of. WHY? Because someone made an issue out of something so damn retarded.

Sometimes being "too good" is as bad as being a complete asshole. Just be natural and honest. Best advice I ever got. I had allot of Muslim friends in Spain when I lived there for a bit. They were so happy to see someone just be human to them and see them as something more than a freaking token Muslim. They didnt appreciate all the extra attention from weirdos trying to make them feel so damn important. It was fake to act like you really care when you cant possibly. Its better to be honest and say what you really feel.

Good friends man. Good people. That time in Spain of all places gave me hope for Islam.

a reply to: tadaman

They didnt appreciate all the extra attention from weirdos trying to make them feel so damn important. It was fake to act like you really care when you cant possibly. Its better to be honest and say what you really feel.

Absolutely, I could actually have s conversation with the followers of Islam on the forum, it was the liberal posters that freak out, at least I assumed they were, who knows who they really are,

You can make a list that define "non radical" and then use that list to look if countries are radical Muslim or not.

Give me other suggestion of definition on non radical if you have a better idea than me .

To be non radical you have to agree with below:
1 Allow places of free speech/illustration even if you do not like what is said.
2 Allow people to get information on all views and choose whatever view the person likes and practice that view if it do not harm another person physically.
3 Do no physical harm to others when practicing your view.

2 and 3 will automatically give freedom to women/men and homosexuals/bisexuals/asexuals and religious minorities.

With this definition non radical Muslims might be fewer than the media is telling us and US is supporting Radical Islam for instance Saudi Arabia while Russia is ally with Iran that is also radical but mostly Shia instead of Sunni.