Bill Maher on Liberals That Defend Muslim Atrocities

I was going to avoid this subject all together, but I cant think of a good reason so here is my 2 cents on the matter.


I am the first to say horrible things about Bill Maher. He is not my cup of tea but I will say this: What he says in this video is about as honest as I can expect from him. I dont usually even watch clips from his show. In fact I never do. I shut that off long ago. I wont lie, the title of the video is what made me do a "Whaaa" and click it to begin with.

In this video Maher explains what it means to be a liberal. He goes into depth and explains why supposed liberals should be careful when "defending" Muslims. I know I dont agree with him ever, but here I cant deny that he made me listen and want to post it here because it wasnt full of BS. He actually made some sense. Many have been saying this about radical Muslims for a long time. We are tired of being lumped together with crazy ass hicks foaming at the mouth because of opposing something that almost comes as instinct to hate and stand against.

In the clip, he paints the picture of things that offend and make liberals lose their isht in the west while juxtaposing those things to events happening across the world and the utter silence on the part of liberals who are otherwise very vocal.

I myself detest radical Muslims. I dont care about moderates of the faith like I dont care about moderates of any faith. I like the real Muslims as I would like to think they truly are at heart. Where I part ways with Maher is his staunch atheist mindset. More power to him, though I think he is wrong there. I dont take issue with Muslims on a whole because they worship God. I dont at all actually. Its a common place of convergence and similarity for me with them. For Maher he seems to see that as a sort of sign of a mental sickness. I do however agree with him that if you are liberal you should at least be true and hard core with that crap. Live it. Talk is less than othing. There is no middle ground except in hypocrisy.

To Muslims: I think the Muslim world needs time to grow up and out of certain ideas. Dont get me wrong, other religions have been just as backwards and some still are or are regressing back to that backwardness. The thing is that as time passes and the world reaches to a higher ideal, you are afforded ever less time to adapt. There is a point that you just have to hit the ground running. Honor killing, they way you treat women, and other issues will keep you at odds with the west. It will cause conflict. Though you can do as you please in your countries, you cant deny that everyone just wants to see the world that they were born to. You want to visit NY, London, Berlin, ect. You will not be welcome if you inspire fear or repulse. Just think about what is more important...A book and some trivial rules or your peace with your fellow man. The rest of the world is waiting and watching.



SO Maher...good on you, though usually I would like to see you drown in a vat of boiling piss..lol. J/K. You won some points today. I dont agree with you or your kind but I respect what you say though.

No matter your ideology, be honest. Be true. Only you are watching and its so much more useless to lie to yourself. To liberals reading this: I dont agree with you on most things, I resent you taking credit for other things you say are yours though I agree with them, and I can respect you if you are at least true to yourself.

Have a good day ATS. Please, no hate speech. I dont like bigots so if you came here to spew hate, bugger off.

Does he know of these liberals that support what he says is happening in those countries he speaks of?
I think most 'liberals" would be on the side of the supporting those that want to practice the religon they want, something he says, in the USA and not be lumped in with the extreme practices that happen outside of the US.
I usually like what he says but I feel he is off base here, cause I have yet to see anyone defend what goes on in the middle east.
And calling it radical is not defending imo

All I see is "This video has been removed by the user." Did somebody get to him?

a reply to: Sremmos80

To be fair, I have seen allot of what he talks about. I have installed a knee jerk reaction to ALWAYS say "Radical" before Muslim when denouncing these things because of the bang wagon that jumps on my ass for being a "NAZI". As if I dont like stoning gay people or discriminating on women, but somehow also hate Muslims in the same spirit because of their religion.

He is not entirely off base.

originally posted by: charles1952
All I see is "This video has been removed by the user." Did somebody get to him?

Try this one.

a reply to: tadaman

His is only not off base because what he says does happen, but where does he get that liberals defend what these people in ME do?
And you are seeing women mutilated and/or killed? Or seeing their rights being stripped from them like he talks about in his rant?

a reply to: mOjOm

That was quick. DAMN.

Thanks, used your link for OP.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Sir I was called a NAZI today for speaking about radicals who do these things while still making the distinction that I was not speaking about Islam, but rather RADICAL Muslims and their practices.

The argument presented was that PEOPLE LIKE ME are like Nazis because we notice these things about RADICAL Muslims and take issue. That I secretly hate ALL Muslims for feeling as I do. That they are JUST PEOPLE...Human beings....blah blah blah.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: mOjOm

That was quick. DAMN.

Thanks, used your link for OP.

What's weird is I actually watched your original link like 5 seconds before it was removed. Not sure who or why it was removed either. That was trippy.

a reply to: tadaman

Well this is not about you, this is about what bill said, or that is what I am talking about. Not about a conversation you had earlier today.

Gonna give it at another listen, but I am not getting the same message you are.
So yes, watched it again and he essentially says it is ok to judge the muslim community based on what the radicals sects of are doing.
Even going as far as saying that the muslim community has to much in common with ISIS.


And ya I watched the vid and by the time I was finished, I could not watch again

a reply to: Sremmos80

But I can only relate what I know and have experienced. I know others have the same feeling of frustration.

What I can say is that I agree for my experiences and feelings. I dont think he is off base and that is why. For me, it rings true.

I'm grateful as well for the new link, thanks.

In watching the clip, I had the impression that Mr. Maher had a few things to say:

1.) Western culture is superior to Islamic culture.

2.) Millions of Muslims all over the world support killing people for belonging to a different religion, make an image of Muhammad, marry someone unapproved, deciding to leave Islam, or many others including homosexuality.

3.) Those beliefs are the same as ISIS'.

4.) Liberals in the West are excessively sensitive to tiny slights in the US, but ignore horrendous violations in the Muslim world, and by not criticizing them (when they're so anxious to condemn them in the US), accept them.

Several explanations come to mind. Liberals are afraid of Muslims but not Americans. Liberals want to attack the US whenever they can, but aren't interested in attacking America's enemies. Liberals believe they can make money and gain power by using the American system of courts and elections, but they can't get anything by going after Muslims.

Those may all be false, true, or somewhere in between, but they're more believable than several other theories showing up on ATS every day.

Bill Maher is just sucking up. He is still just a tool.

For one thing .. it has been the Religious Right Wing that has been espousing all of the sentiments he has spoken of.

a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Sucking up to whom? American politicians and leaders?

Thanks for the edit.

So you think he's sucking up to the religious right wing, which is really opposed to ISIS and is afraid of Islam? I'm sorry, I just don't understand.

originally posted by: charles1952
a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Sucking up to whom? American politicians and leaders?

Thanks for the edit.

So you think he's sucking up to the religious right wing, which is really opposed to ISIS and is afraid of Islam? I'm sorry, I just don't understand.

You might begin to understand after you realize Bill Maher was "talking down to" American Liberals as if their antics disgust even him.

yeah right ... liberals don't disgust him ... he just knows that the fun and games are about over ..

Bill Maher is anti- Religion (Atheist), Liberal but also Pro-Israel (Zionist). I have just recently realized this myself after paying closer attention to some of the things he's said and the positions he's taken on certain issues. He's Liberal himself and therefore is trying to steer other Liberals into taking a more stern position against Islam because that is his position being Pro-Israel.

That's how I see it anyway.

As for the other comments, I don't think Liberals are afraid of or in support of Radical Islam ideals or actions. For one thing most Liberals aren't Religious Enough to support ideas like Public Beheading or Stoning. (I'm sure I'll catch hell for that comment but I did it anyway.)

I think they are just trying to shield some of the Anti-Muslim talk being thrown around right now because not all Muslim people are radical, just like not all Christians are Radical. But they both have a very large voice sometimes for being the minority and they can cause a lot of trouble.

As for the stuff about Liberals just wanting to trash America or Gain money from this, I find that to be partisan BS. It's just as easy to say the same about Conservatives too only in a slightly different way. Neither of which is true 100% or false 100% but a mixture depending upon who exactly you're talking about. The trouble, like always, is that our perceptions of these Labels, are based upon the most Radical Members of each group who also seem to be the Very Loud and Visible Minority for their Groups.

The US and UK governments support "radicals" when they need them to accomplish a mission, and then afterwards they drop them hard like a bad habit if they start to turn to a more civilized and less aggressive bunch...Just a trend that has been going on for ages,and people fall for it every time...Politics and psychology are always two very fascinating subjects.

a reply to: tadaman

I normally find him repugnant, but I have to tip my hat to him (or at least I would if I wore one) for finally being honest about liberal double standards. There really is nobody better suited to do it either.

In closing, "It's about damned time."

-DS

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Sremmos80

Sir I was called a NAZI today for speaking about radicals who do these things while still making the distinction that I was not speaking about Islam, but rather RADICAL Muslims and their practices.

The argument presented was that PEOPLE LIKE ME are like Nazis because we notice these things about RADICAL Muslims and take issue. That I secretly hate ALL Muslims for feeling as I do. That they are JUST PEOPLE...Human beings....blah blah blah.

If they were strangers: never talk politics or religion with strangers... Nothing to gain unless you are a guest speaker

If they were co-workers: these are people who you must work with daily... never talk politics or religion with co-workers especially with those who can not see the difference between radicals and normals of any religion.

If they were a group of friends and called you a Nazi: You need new friends..

Just my 2 cents

a reply to: tadaman

Liberals do not defend atrocity of any sort, committed by any group, for any reason. They support the right of people to be judged according to their individual merits, not by a broad brush, all to often applied in haste, and without thought, by those who seek to over simplify the world around them.

The world is full of problems which resist simplicity as surely and readily as oil resists water. Some people refuse to accept that, purely so that they can feel relevant to contemporary events, despite being unequipped to do so, due mostly to a shortfall in intellect, or compassion, or both.

Again, no one in their right mind would say that a beheading or two is justified. But there is a difference between defending a thing, and being determined to understand it well enough that one can avoid lumping every person who professes a Muslim faith, in with the psychopathic evil doers that we see in the media. In reality, the crucial thing is, as well as being prepared to confront the reality of what is happening in the world today, we also have to be mindful of the past, and prepared to accept that just as not every German was a Nazi in the Second World War, not every Muslim is a potential terrorist.

The moment we allow ourselves to forget that, the forces seeking to divide the peoples of Earth against one another, win yet another victory over the minds of human kind, and so will begin another hundred years of back door tyranny, and hocus pocus from the Military Industrial Complex, and so on, and so forth, and it will NEVER stop, and we will NEVER advance beyond our most base and shallow understanding of our own lives, and the meaning to be found within them.