Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

Just had a silly brainstorm and way we could solidify whether these breakaways exist...

One of the Forevermen has to fess up (maybe Mystik can volunteer) and throw themselves into a life threatening situation so that the RK overseers will have to break cover, locally stop time and step in to save their investment... and someone will have set up a remote recording site outside of their sphere of influence to see if the bbt comes down to set things right.

I picture the old superman flick where Lois Lane throws herself off Niagara in order to force Superguy's hand.

I foresee some flaws in the scheme, especially if they don't actually exist or have a spare clone tucked away, but one has to start somewhere.

Any volunteers?

a reply to: BASSPLYR

"We care a lot! About disasters, fires, floods, and killer bees.
About the NASA shuttle falling in the sea
About starvation and the food that Live Aid bought
About disease, I said rock, Hudson, rock! Yeah!"
(Sorry I missed a few days back there. Here is another one to get stuck in the noggin!)

Makes you realize the Dirac Cups reference A_0 made now doesn't it! As has been said before, "You tell somebody straight up and they either won't believe you or think you are full of bull#"" So we get a convoluted story with some major hints, minor hints, lies, and some sci-fi thrown in for good measure (not too hip to the whole Romeo Kilo portion). So I read a story about quantum mechanics and how the particles being measured all interact with each other (one may be more affected than the other but they ALL "feel" it) and my brain goes for a swim back to what I can remember about Bohm and non-locality. I then realize I need to carry around a book to make notes to go look things up in my old physics text book, online, etc. And slowly I pull the newspapers I found in the park around me to keep warm!

Mystik, I can look out my office's window and see the BP building! I worked directly for the oil industry for ten years. Yeah, they have long term plans but they are based on price level for their commodity. Look what is happening now--BP is laying off people. That is near term savings but their long term plans still rely on base price of oil. If that tanks then so do the plans. Look at what is going on with Gov. Walker's pipe-dream gas pipeline--it has quietly been dropped like a hot potato. And that is also all about base price levels.

And yeah, Big Oil will not go away overnight (for doom and gloom porn lovers: google "bankrupt oil companies 2016" to see what analysts forecast). But there looks like there will be less of them left. Let's see, LM announced fusion in 2014 and they said 5 years they could make one. MIT announced last year, 1 billion and few years and they could take their prototype to reality. So, 5 years seems to be the new doom porn date for Big Oil. And the clock is already ticking. Did anybody notice that the Rockefellers divested their oil interest a few months after LM's announcement?

Maybe it is just my conspiracy pareidolia acting in synergy with my fusion-fanboy-colored glasses! But when the pieces come together why not go a little crazy and see what you can make?

a reply to: Baddogma

I am more inclined to think it is the potential for a breakaway society (not that there are "the others" flying around in BBT with twins and clones on New Earth with New New York City). But then I catch myself from jumping the gun and wonder "wasn't there a loss of scientists back in the eighties?" and pause to wonder.

My bet is it will be even more less glamorous. Somebody walking their dog will stumble across a BBT, take a photo, become a u-tube sensation (please stop with the crappy music in the background!), and TPTB won't be that much longer.

I do like the idea of at least searching for RK'ers! You know, kind of all stalkerish and stuff! It cracks me up! I have a feeling there are those on ATS that would do that for free!

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

yeah its a dirty job but someones gotta do it!

good ok a0. the problem with a lot of his hints is that people took them too superficially and didn't look at the wording or meaning behind it.

for instance he explained the triangles fly by creating a vacuum corridor in front of it and the air collapsing behind it pushes it along. great so 14psi or less given elevation is enough to shoot a vehicle off from a standstill to thousands of miles an hour? astill doesny address inertial issues.

then you go 'ooohh, that kind of vacuum. '

simple little misdirection to see who's on the ball and who wasnt. most weren't. with a0 it's best not to take his statements superficially.

another good example. "and now with light!"

well yes, just not the way we're thinking of it.

light does more than just shine.

I dunno poor a0. I imagine he often thought to himself during his conversations here at ATS
"if i speak at one constant volume, at one constant pitch, at one constant rhythm, right into your ear, you still wont hear, you still won't hear, you STILL won't hear..."

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Dont if you reduce gravitys pull on a object you reduce alot of stress? might be also why th e pilots didnt end up as slushies because within the field gravity was seriously retarded as was the air pressure. They supossedly reduce the weak force to almost nil.

a reply to: yuppa

You've said in all its varieties in several different posts now... why does nobody listen? "How to create FTL?", yuppa, "F=ma, so as the limit of "m" approaches zero..." with a response of "So, let's say you stick a rocket engine on back and spend a year going faster and faster..." and I shake my head.

Yes, no mass means no grapes being crushed to wine when you step on the gas. In my imagination it is like stepping on a slow elevator--you barely feel anything. That is what happens when you do not let gravity push you around or bring you down!

People need to stop thinking like mouth breathing terrans and think like nose breathing Einsteinians!

One more time... there is no such thing as "anti gravity"! Yep, you cannot generate artificial gravity to repel regular gravity. And please give yuppa the props for not blowing a gasket! I know I do!

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

another good example. "and now with light!"

well yes, just not the way we're thinking of it.

light does more than just shine.

What about the description of being in orbit? The BBT, pointed nose down, and the "walking the light from the back of the craft to the front" and let it on its merry way? Most people said, "What?!!"

That comment was not explained but was another path to another rabbit hole to go spelunking down! How many here "went there"? I think at least one has because I ended up thinking the exact same thing (at least it seems that way). And you're right the narrative becomes "cleaner" and you start to pick up the hints easier (and the jokes! A_0 was pretty funny among other things!)

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Best theory on how to do FTL or close to it is using gravitaional manipulation. essentially you bend space in front and around you with a field of some sort. then after you do that you reduce the weak force on the mass and by doing that reduce the amount of energy needed to achieve a high velocity. Since mass increases as the speed increases according to einsteins theory of relativity if i remember correctly to infinity this is the most important step to do.

Current White world tech will not allow such a craft to fly but th eblack world has them already i am almost certain of it.

I kinda learned most of my knowledge from A.....but since i have no evidence i can touch ill just say its speculation,but pretty well educated speculation. And yeah A said there was no anti g but there IS manipulating its pull on the mass of objects in a graphene shell thats lighter than air.( to re interate lol)

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

A lot went down the rabbit hole. A lot got lost. A lot were just lazy and backed out or got nowhere. Some tried to dismiss the whole thing as "Monsters from the Id" for various "reasons."

As some one who saw the damned thing and know the phenomena is real and nuts and bolts, I was naturally a little more inclined to put in the work to scratch the mental itch of trying to understand what I saw.

With "light" I can think of 4 things he could have been referring to. 3 having to do with propulsion in some way and to varying degrees. Another for optical camo.

Light is a pretty vast term and the swath of what it could be specifically referring to is large.

One of the problems I saw was that folks were lazy and just tried to look up patents, as if patents for super duper classified stuff are public. They put them on a totally different data base at the patent office away from the public so that you don't learn about classified material. You won't just find some patent that will explain it all.

People need to do more than just that. They need to read AF and DARPA research papers on various topics. You need to ask your self the right questions. You need to then look up University papers on the topics raised by your questions. You then need to conceptually analyze the info and see if it fits anywhere, even if it's not where you thought it would. Maybe it fits great, maybe it fits different than how you envisioned, maybe it doesn't fit at all, maybe it answers a riddle to something else completely unrelated or marginally, maybe it changes everything and you totally revamp your working theory or hypothesis as to how the triangles or related technologies work. Then after that you need to ask yourself some more of the right questions and repeat the process until you'vegot something that works and is refined.

The answers are there. Like I said it's a lot like a jackson pollok. The dots are seemingly haphazard, differnt sizes and different colors. BUT THEY DO CONNECT. It's also like a rorschach test. Your biases can lead you to connect the dots and come to the wrong conclusions or maybe they will lead you dead on to the truth. SO analyzing your biases and perspective on the topic is important.

Also some super duper advice. Try and learn as much QED as you can. If you're really nuts, and I am, try and even attempt to get a grasp of Gauge Physics. Learn what you can about optical physics in practice and theoretically. Try and learn about electrical engineering. Try and learn about signals mixing. Try and learn about anything cause to get to the truth folks are going to have to do more digging than just looking up patents and reading up on the stupid theories bouncing around on line by UFO enthusiasts.

Finally, I'd like to take the time to publicly and sincerely thank a member here, who shall remain nameless, for truly inspiring me and sparking the fire and commitment to actually try and figure this all out.** Two members actually, and no, neither are A0. And neither of them know how high in esteem I hold them, well one does I think. But the other might be surprised.


**No they didn't divulge anything they shouldn't have or violated any SF-312. In case other folks out there reading this are getting the wrong idea. I'm allowed to look up to people and be inspired by them to the degree to take the time to figure things out on my own without outside help.

Keep digging, keep researching and keep learning you never know what the adventure can lead you to. Good luck.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Light. I think people will go "geeze" if they figure out how, like water, weird the stuff really is! The words orthogonal and perpendicular come to mind.

Yes to following: material sciences (lots of 2D materials are being created with interesting properties, lots of the "stronger than diamond" talk, and "as light as air"); QED (been following that since I started reading Feynman in college. Not afraid of the maths either); EM manipulation (both in practice and in theory but not mixing--which is a nice new idea for me to squirrel away).

Things for me to check on: gauge theory. Sounds familiar but not sure of the details (I know there is the word "transformation" in there but forget exactly what is being transformed). Anything and everything! Yep, funny how waking up at 4 am and turning on the TV to watch an infomercial about an inductive heating plate then the next one on electric pressure cookers will make you stop and go, "Hey! Why are they trying to sell me electrical products?" And those darn dots start connecting themselves and you realize, "Oh yeah, everything is going to run on electricity in the near future!"

Other things I look(ed) at: quantum mechanics, superfluids, Mach, Bohm, plasma physics, energy storage, Einstein, and even, "why did the US try to get to get rid of their helium reserves in the 1990's?" are also part of the "anything and everything" approach. (Yeah, the price of the helium reserve is always the main reason given, know that)

Who needs patents when you can read, recall, and imagine? That probably explains why I was lazy in school! Example, when LM announced their fusion break through I sat on a picnic bench at the local watering hole on some bi-polar upswing trance thinking of what this means to society. An hour and half later, in some strange form of happiness I have not known, I ran around hugging the wait staff and telling them I loved them. All because of the implications for the betterment of all mankind this means! All I got were "meh," shrugs, and "what are you on?"

Caught in a trap, caged in by walls,
You threw me scraps but I turned them into doors

--Drivn-n-Cryin, Look What You've Done To Your Brother

[ETA: Maybe not "nuts and bolts" but more like carbon fibre and graphene! ]

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Like carbon nanotubes with graphene latticework filled with aerogel.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

these are some awesome qed lectures I've always enjoyed.
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feynman. I can listen to his lectures all day, I don't even care what he's talking about I just like to hear him talk he's engaging and explains physics in layman's terms......with bongos!

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Feynman is one of the few people I can forgive for "playing" bongos...

The fact he's still here indicates he's a second tier physicist, though, IF this narrative holds water, heh...

eta: which, again, is depressing as heck... lots of brain calories "wasted."

Edited to say: The question involves a complicated amount of 'explaining', so my apologies if I haven't put my thoughts into words cohesively enough to be understood...

I have a question about faster than light travel (FTL)

Of course, I know that we aren't talking 'literal' FTL, that it is achieved (hypothetically) by warping space, but my question still holds -

Okay, it's kind of complicated to put into words, but it has to do with calculating the destination of the ship in regards to making sure that it does not 'arrive' in the middle of an asteroid belt or directly in the path of a comet (at a point of unavoidable impact) or something...

So, my assumption is that such calculations are reliant on knowledge of all the 'factors' (positions of 'stuff' like planets, comets, asteroids, etc in relation to each other and their trajectories), such that you could calculate a 'place' in the area of destination that would be 'empty' for an amount of time sufficient for the ship to 'arrive' safely...

My question: Is it even possible to make such calculations no matter how much computing power you've got?

See, I got to thinking about how everything we can know about any given space 'destination' literally comes to us from the past, even with our most powerful telescopes - and given that we are still discovering new 'stuff' (planets, asteroids, etc) in our own solar system...

...How could we ever possibly have enough information about any space 'destination' to calculate a safe 'arrival' area, especially when we have to calculate 'across' time as well?

Example: Say we wanted to visit a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri B -

Well, even if we 'could' know with absolute certainty all of the potential 'stuff' (and their trajectories) that could possibly pose impact danger to the ship, we would have to calculate 'where' all that 'stuff' would be 'when' the ship would arrive, which would be vastly different from 'where' all the 'stuff' was at the time of our observations, because what we see now is light years in the past of 'where' our ship would 'arrive'..

Boy, I hope that all makes sense...

a reply to: lostgirl

You need a navigation computer constatly updating its posistion relative to its destination to arrive safely. Its not hard.

a reply to: lostgirl

I would imagine that individual destinations would have to be carfully considered, chosen and then meticulously mapped.

that establishing the initial route to said chosen destination would have to be slow going and then constantly monitored there after.

FTL travel is probably not like on star trek. it probably sucks for the crew.

also the way the drive systems work. you've got issues dealing with unhomogenous space densities that will kill the crew too. imagine doing two hundred in a formula 1 car when you hit a mole hill. at slow speeds we're used to hitting that mole hill is no big deal. at 200mph it's catastrophic.

same thing with the drive systems for ftl. got matched impedance all nice then the next thing you know your entering a section of space with slightly unhomogenous energy densities and BAM. crew looks like frappe because the drive could change impedance fast enough to match the new territory it's cruising through.

but I would suppose ftl travel is inherently dangerous period.

I can't propose ways to navigate that are fail safe and without inherent risks.

IM me lostgirl if you want more in depth details.

Very interesting talk... worth a listen!

originally posted by: combatmaster
Very interesting talk... worth a listen!

Good to hear theories on origins but how about the present?

a reply to: tacka

This was supposedly exotic unknown science from over 150 years ago... so (if true), imagine what wouldve been achieved since. It doesnt take a genius to estimate how tech would;ve advanced in the past 150 years.

Furthermore, IMHO understanding the origin is the key to understanding the true scope of the present situation. I have taken a look at a pdf of Charles Dellschau's work in question..... truly amazing it is. Another thing im not sure if it was mentioned in the lecture, was the use of some type of language. Theory is this was either coded writing or a cypher or maybe straight up another language for a breakaway civ... im sure there have been efforts to decode it among ufo researchers, but this is apparently the same type of symbols/language that many witnesses report seeing on the outside of craft they witnessed!

So yeah, im pretty sure that the 'origins', despite being the most crucial aspect, are the least talked about aspect of this whole 'theory', if you can even call it that anymore!

a reply to: combatmaster

I suspect A tro could had deciphered it since im sure they have a translation manual prolly.