Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

Okay, sorry for any misunderstanding between us on that score. I understand more clearly now and hope you will not take offense at my reply.

I don't talk about it enough, but I too am certain that humans have
massive potential. We are, in a manner of speaking, if you must
use such language, "brain circuits in the mind of God".

I have to agree with the gnostics on this one.. the human imagination
is indeed 'divine'.

I believe that point of that control loop is to keep us from reaching that potential. Why have there, for instance, been no new Mozarts or Rembrandt's, or people with comparable classical creativity, producing such art, in modern times? The basest humor about human life is encouraged daily all around us, as we reject each other on a daily basis and our condition of humanity. I don't buy into this. Neither do I believe that our thoughts are manifesting a reality. That is very much a part of the tacit agreement part of the control system, and it appeals to the egos of people. The end of that spectrum of thinking tends to arrive at the "we are all one and gods in our own right," and that's simply a part of the cage building process. If thoughts manifest into reality and mind control is real, then we are certainly in a cage of some kind…..
Regards,
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

Hi.

Tetra whenever i say something in general (which is what I do),
you take it personally. My observation is that you take a great
deal personally on the forums, which I do not believe was ever
aimed at you. I do it too sometimes.. I'm not giving you a hard
time.

As for LG?

I feel a special bond with her due to our past association, and I
badly want to be positive for her any chance i can get. So
I fully understand you were being supportive, and again,
my comments had nothing to do with either you or LG.

Regarding faith in humanity?

Yes, I have unlimited faith in humanity before 'the fall'.
They were every bit as beautiful as any other animal on the planet,
and in fact a bit more beautiful in some ways.

But unfortunately we (the average Joe and Jane) have been HAD.

I do not like talking about all the negative crap one bit.. I hate it..
but I'd be irresponsible not to do so.

All of our social systems and philosophies SINCE THE NEOLITHIC
have kept us trapped in an ever escalating spiral of misery
and destruction.

I hate it.

Once upon a time apparently, more people than not lived in something
more closely resembling harmony, at least with their tribe and the
local animals and environment.

Now our ocean is dying, and when it finishes dying, there won't be
enough oxygen to breathe.

That's where we are headed.

I wish that everyone could go back to 'pre-fall' (read the book);
but that genie won't go back in the bottle.

But I'll do my best to write something positive and informative.

Thanks for your reply. There is nothing you could reply about
me or my ideas or anything that would offend me. You are
almost like family.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That was a very loving reply, thank you...

FYI - I did read the book a couple days ago - I totally 'get' all the stuff about 'insanity' and humanity creating it's own evil/devil/demons (I came to this conclusion on my own a couple years ago...

You are such a good guy, you failed to see that the gist of my post was really the issue of my own personal pain (quite selfish, I know) -

- i.e. Horribly selfish as it sounds...I'm beyond 'caring' about the 'nature' of the world's suffering/evil - I am bloody tired of living with the 'weight' of emotional pain, which I have not 'caused' for myself (major clinical depression, genetic - not psychological)...

...so I just can't help feeling that if there really is a "realm" of "love and beauty" from which "fibers" are being sent to "interconnect with our nervous systems", why the heck can't they 'send' a little of 'their' love 'into' my personal nervous system?
? Because that is the kind of 'thing' that any 'being' that 'loves' would do - I know for a fact that you would do it if you were one of 'them'!!

So, yeah - really the 'gist' of that whole post was a big old "poor, pitiful me" whine-fest

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sorry about that. You are completely right about that, KPB, about me….I do tend to take things personally. However, they often seem to affect my life personally, and manifest, so I am particularly sensitive about it. I apologize for that.

Once upon a time apparently, more people than not lived in something
more closely resembling harmony, at least with their tribe and the
local animals and environment.

Yes, this did actually occur and was the situation at some point. I have actual memories of a time like this, and must remember for some reason that it wasn't always the way it is now.

Thanks for your reply. There is nothing you could reply about
me or my ideas or anything that would offend me. You are
almost like family.

And thank you, KPB, so much, for this. It is heartfelt and made my day.
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

We ARE in a cage. Whether that cage is purely psychological
or in part 'manifested' remains to be seen. I wish to be part
of research on that very question.

Tetra, I don't think that we are 'gods' and that we 'manifest
reality' -- not one word I have ever said should be taken
to mean that.

If fact, that 'ascension' (mostly Hermetic) stuff is pure crap
in my opinion.

You want to know why no more creative geniuses? Read the
book. There is not one drop of mysticism in it, and it's
explanation is nearly sufficient to answer your question.
Though i do think there is more to it than the author
realizes.

But my answer?

It's very simple.

Our broken culture is now keeping us so scared and down on each
other all the time, that the sympathetic and parasympathetic
nervous systems are out of proper balance. Or to be more specific
Vagus Nerve imbalance.

So we can never rest and recuperate and expel the 'Black Sludge
Monster' from ourselves. It's that simple.

Now, the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems
are also part of an inner mechanism which gives humans
genuine spiritual access to their 'true potential'.

That mechanism is being artificially suppressed by the
'control loop', which is IN PART human generated (thus
my comments about human cannibalism towards each
other).

Precisely how the mechanism is being suppressed in terms
of the non-human part of it, I have some solid ideas, but it
needs more research.

I hope this was helpful Tetra my dear.

Kev

a reply to: lostgirl

hey there, lost girl:
First, there's nothing wrong with having a wine fest, occasionally, imho, though your reply is to KPB.

...so I just can't help feeling that if there really is a "realm" of "love and beauty" from which "fibers" are being sent to "interconnect with our nervous systems", why the heck can't they 'send' a little of 'their' love 'into' my personal nervous system?
? Because that is the kind of 'thing' that any 'being' that 'loves' would do - I know for a fact that you would do it if you were one of 'them'!!

I think this is why we are here, participating and reading each other's thoughts as we share them. We have to give this to each other. If we simply did that, so much of the misery would end. The pain that people visit upon one another is extreme and unnecessary, and just stopping that would end so much that is now wrong. So, as another thread stated hereabouts, we must make a pact that this is what we will give one another, commiseration, compassion and respect…..

It's really the only tangible thing we can do to try to defeat whatever it is that plagues us….
Hope you are well.
tetra

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
It is helpful in the sense of clarification, as I know you don't buy into that stuff I was writing about. I'm well aware you are far more sensible than that, and perhaps even realize this is part of the cage building process….that whole belief system. It's simply a con.

I also tend to agree completely with you about this theory of the parasympathetic, and sympathetic nervous system/Vegas nerve imbalance. I am a chronic pain patient who has had three back surgeries, and still have ruptured discs puttinng pressure on my spinal chord, and am practiced at meditative pain control methods….so I've experienced this in real terms. I can control my pain quite a bit, but it takes immense energy to do so, because I'm fighting something else that doesn't belong there, that I don't "own," and is foreign to me. I have come to the conclusion that the pain I suffer is intended to teach me something.

Thank you, as always, for reading my comments and responding. Be well.
tetra

a reply to: lostgirl

You said,

"...so I just can't help feeling that if there really is a "realm" of "love and beauty" from which "fibers" are being sent to "interconnect with our nervous systems", why the heck can't they 'send' a little of 'their' love 'into' my personal nervous system?
? Because that is the kind of 'thing' that any 'being' that 'loves' would do - I know for a fact that you would do it if you were one of 'them'!!

So, yeah - really the 'gist' of that whole post was a big old "poor, pitiful me" whine-fest "

Thanks for that!
I'm only a good mind reader on occasion, otherwise I need things spelled out
for me the same as anyone.

As for love?

I've been suffused with it my entire life.. beats me why.. though
I have theories of course.

I can explain why you don't get sent love that you can touch and feel
from beyond; but it would take an entire book to attempt to
communicate that. I'll try however. It's part of the book.

As for your medical issue, I still say you need to investigate
Vegas nerve toning.. nothing 'mystical'; I think it would really
help you.

Yes, I would do it if I were one of them... .... .... ... .... . . .

Kev

a reply to: tetra50

I walked the path of self embraced pain as a
'spiritual path' for more than 40 years.

Pain breaks down barriers.

But there is such a thing as too much pain.

Be well.

Kev

originally posted by: tetra50

I believe that point of that control loop is to keep us from reaching that potential. Why have there, for instance, been no new Mozarts or Rembrandt's, or people with comparable classical creativity, producing such art, in modern times? The basest humor about human life is encouraged daily all around us, as we reject each other on a daily basis and our condition of humanity. I don't buy into this. Neither do I believe that our thoughts are manifesting a reality. That is very much a part of the tacit agreement part of the control system, and it appeals to the egos of people. The end of that spectrum of thinking tends to arrive at the "we are all one and gods in our own right," and that's simply a part of the cage building process. If thoughts manifest into reality and mind control is real, then we are certainly in a cage of some kind…..
Regards,
tetra

Hey - I'm sorry not to reply sooner...am having difficulty following the 'multiple party' conversation, lol!

I find your post here absolutely 'spot on'!! I totally concur...

...I have had this sort of mental 'essay' which has been 'nagging' to be written for years - the title is, "Where Have All the Great Men Gone?"

Well, in the above quoted post, you've basically written it for me (though 'mine' would have included men like Churchill and JFK, as well as authors like Tolkien and C.S. Lewis among the "Mozarts" and "Rembrandts")...

...Anyway, just want to say that we seem to be on the same 'wavelength' on this - and I'm glad to be 'talking' with you here!

a reply to: tetra50

I see a world where it is in perpetual darkness, as in no sun,
however there is a silver cascade of wonder that weaves its
way across the sky, rather like our Milky Way Galaxy but
with much more splendor, rather like the Northern lights.
That is the only natural light source.

The plants are purple(dominant)/ greenish shrubs for the
most part. They provide much of the required nutrition,
and they do so willingly.. as EVERYTHING in this place
is sentient.

The water is orange of all things.. with a sheen like faerie
gossamer.. it too is sentient.

Animals are everywhere.. as are humanoids.. and there is
no killing or bloodshed or fear.

There is only love and togetherness and laughter.

And this place is not in the timeless place.. its a real
world.

It's beautiful.

That's an understatement.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thank you for the kind and understanding reply, as always !

I will definitely investigate Vagus nerve toning - although (and this is 'explanatory' not 'whining') my particular 'medical issue' comes with a side of 'chronic fatigue syndrome' which makes anything involving 'effort' on my part an incredibly over-whelming prospect...

Prayer feels so much easier - which, of course, is why I keep 'balking' at the idea that there isn't 'anyone' to pray 'to'!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Really sorry, but it has to be said:

What's the point of such a wondrous world (especially being it's real) if no one (i.e. any of 'us') ever gets to go there?

I can 'see' worlds as beautiful as that (though mine are imaginary), and it just tends to make me all the more upset at being 'condemned' to this world..

--You don't have to reply...I know, I'm in a 'mood'..."Stuck In a Moment", to quote a great U2 song..

a reply to: lostgirl

Reality does not exist to service us.

Some people live on the nice side of the tracks.

Some people live on the bad side of the tracks.

Kev

a reply to: lostgirl

There is a big beautiful life that hears you little bird.

But we all have to chop our own wood and carry our own water.

Sucks I know.

Kev

originally posted by: yuppa
Sigh. when people get all metaphysical they lose me.(yeah i know with as much weirdness i have around and inside me) This stuff needs its own thread though. If it drifts too far off topic it will be closed for review or something. but since we are all sharing our weirdness ill share something else(what as if being gender dysphoric isnt enough?. Oh shut up inner me)

Anyone here believe that conciousness can be sent along to any point in time? Well lets just say th e universe will grant you some weird things if you ask at certain times. Seeing as how i know im not originally from this time frame,but my relative i am in currently is lol.(yes yes i know assassins creed blah blah blah.) truths always stranger than fiction and seeing how consciousness is energy time should be relative.

Hey -
Sorry for the metaphysical 'tangent', please don't let us have 'lost' you!

And don't "shut up" your 'inner you', seems a like-able sort to me!

I have to tell you - I have had the same thoughts about 'consciousness' time travel! (And way before there was any such thing as "assassin's creed"!)

It always has seemed to me that if time travel could exist at all, it would have to be done by 'sending' a person's consciousness rather than 'physically'...

...did you ever watch the show "Quantum Leap"? the guy's time traveling is done by his 'mind' sort of 'taking over' that of people in other times...

...although the 'gimmick' of the show was that when he was 'inside' these other people, if he looked in a mirror he wouldn't see the person he was 'in' (despite the fact that everyone around him would see 'that' person) he would see himself in the person's clothing..

Anyway, I hope you stick around despite the metaphysical 'turn' the 'talk' has taken,,

a reply to: lostgirl

Thank you. yeah ill stick around till they close the doors so to speak. Its just easily distracted and..ooh squirrel!!

Oh yeah as i was saying easily distracted and its hard to concentrate on a lon g long complicated post or thought.

Yes i used to watch quantum leap every week. Poor sam. never got home ever. SUch is the danger of becoming unstuck in time.
I requested a second shot to change a outcome. Looking back it was selfish to do(and her spirit reminds me of this constantly in my head. Almost liek i have my own Cortana lol.) SO now shes stuck with me until im either dead or we approach the incident that originally offed us both. Word to the wise. NEVER train your own replacement. You can prolly guess the profession by my use of OFFED,and Trained i am sure.

Im sure were heading back to topic soon enough though.

a reply to: yuppa

Well Mr. Yuppa. To 'get the narrative back on track' as you say,
let me ask you this:

"Do you sincerely believe in the gist of the narrative"?

I understand that there may have been some obfuscation due
to security concerns / not saying too much.. and I won't bring
us down the road of the 75/25 or any of that.

Is there any part that you specifically do NOT believe?

I'm not looking to throw stones, or pick your answer apart.
You are an advocate of the narrative, so I'd just like to hear
things from your mouth, and see if you have, upon further
reflection or (sightings?) had any new thoughts or opinions?

Thanks,

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

WEll i definitly believe the tech aspects of he who should not be nameds narrative. the parts about dreams and stuff that too. since we can now capture dreams,and control minds to a limited degree. everything that cant be backed up is more hope than anything else though. But being not normal myself i cant totally discount it either.

a reply to: yuppa

Ok.

Could you explain to me the 'hope' part ?

What brings hope to you about the narrative?

Kev