New Prescription Rules for Hydrocodone Set to Start in October.

New, easy picking for the police state's war on drugs. Wouldn't want the police to actually go after the big players in the war on drugs.

a reply to: roadgravel

In circumstances like that, employees very, very rarely go after their employers..

a reply to: lovebeck

If it is an insurance issue then most pharmacies will work with you but if it is a narc and the insurance covers the generic, they will be iffy about ordering the brand. Two reasons, one being a safety thing as they don't want it known they carry brand which goes hand in hand with reason two is that addicts and sellers want brand usually, not to say the poster in here is one cause as it seems to be an insurance thing with her and that does happen.
Also if the pharmacist does not like the script and has an out they will find one besides saying they don't like the script.

And of course money is a big factoer, they make more off of the generics so of course they want to order the cheaper stuff to make more money

A doctor can write 3 separate prescriptions for the same narcotic at one visit..They are also required to write on the 2nd and 3rd prescription "DO NOT FILL BEFORE THIS DATE" For a patient to not see a doctor as in an office visit and have that dr. simply write a script for a narcotic is illegal in most states..

Now i found this out the hard way but a pharmacist reserves the right to fill or not fill any prescription they choose....Usually it is a power tripping Ass that pulls this but legally they are within their rights!

Medical marijuana has been around in pill form for a long time, it is called "marinol" and is often used in patients that need to gain weight and are unable too...It is used to stimulate the appetite..Go figure Also helps with nausea!

All opiates are known as "synthetic heroin"

Pax

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe


At the pain management clinic, I have to do urine samples and pill counts. It sucks that everything has to be so complicated because a few abuse anything they can get their hands on.

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wow. i have heard people say this before. maybe its because you go to a clinic?

i take some serious meds every month. oxycontin and roxicodone among others. i have never had to take a drug test and have never been called in for a count. i am getting ready to go to trial for a neuro stimulator too.

the laws make it tough though.
i see my doc once a month. i get my paper scripts for the meds that will last the month.
they all get filled on different dates but i get a months worth every time i go.

thats not a huge deal but my doc is about 20 miles away. over the course of her treating me over almost 2 years she has switched my meds around and given me different meds before. either at my request or because insurance didnt want to pay. thats where it starts to suck.

for example... we wanted to try fentanyl patches some months back. she wrote me the script for it and did not write me the script for anything else. i go to the pharmacy and the insurance wont pay for it. so now all of a sudden i have no meds.

as it is it is hard to get the docs office on the phone. my doc keeps short hours and is only in the office a couple days a week cause she does something for the hospital. even if i could get them on the line in that situation its not like the doc can just fax over a script for something else or send it over the net.

i have to drive 20 miles back to get another script.

things like that dont happen too often but when they do its hard to deal with.

you have to keep in mind that there is no room for error with these meds.

i take 3 different kinds of meds that i would get seriously sick from if i didnt have even for a day.

another thing is most pharmacies wont even give you information on those kinds of meds over the phone. for example if you get a new script for some kind of oxy good luck calling the pharmacy to see if they stock it and how much it costs cause they wont tell you.

i understand to a point why they do this. i take other meds from the same doctor that are on a different schedule and she just sends them over the net. when i leave her office with the roxicodone and oxycontin she has already sent over another med and it will be ready for me when i get there.

why cant the doc just send them all over the net?
seems more convenient for everyone and safer.

i mean with a paper script i could lose it. someone could steal it.
i think lots of what ifs.

if it is sent over the net though they would be able to see what doctor sent it to what pharmacy and when.

even with the refills. i dont understand it.

i cant get 3 refills on one script but i can get 3 different prescriptions all with a months worth of meds....

i understand that people abuse these meds and doctor shop but people also need these meds and follow the rules. it does not seem like much but these little things add up and make it more difficult for someone already in pain.

i can get most of mine filled only 1 day early. i get why they do that but i wish i could get them filled a few days early. this has only happened a couple times but i have gone to get my new script filled 1 day early and the pharmacy will be out of the medicine and now i have to wait 3 days which means i will be 2 days without the meds. that means i will be in more pain and i will be getting sick. if i had filled it a few days or a week early i would either have the meds cause they filled them or they would have known they were out of the meds days before and had a chance to order in more before i run out.

see what i mean?

not everyone thinks about the little bs but it makes a difference.

so far though almost 2 years in and i have not had to come in for a single pill count or take a drug test. i did however have to sign a contract saying i would only get meds from her and would not do any illicit drugs.


i dont understand the logic behind some of these rules. i know they need to cut down on illicit use but not letting my doc send in a script over the net does not make sense.

what could go wrong with that? they get an e script, fill it, i go in and give my b day and get meds.

with me actually having a paper script i think all kinds of things could go wrong.


one more thing that i think could be done and should be done.

when i go pick up my meds all they ask for is my date of birth. when i get my wifes meds they ask for her date of birth.

so, anyone that knows out date of birth can go in and pick up our stuff.

i think we should have to show ID and i think that i should have say 2 people besides myself listed that could pick up my meds for me with ID. that way if i was in a pain situation and couldnt get to the pharmacy i could send say my wife or my mother but thats it.

that seems like something they could do that wouldnt make it more difficult on the patient and would actually help.

what do you think?

originally posted by: lovebeck
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As a medical professional, I find this highly unlikely. Almost ALL pharmacies will orde something for you,mid you have a script and need it. That includes name brand meds, too.!!

as a pain patient i can totally see this happening with the patches. i will tell you why but as a med pro you should already know.

the fentanyl patches are just that. its a sticky patch with the fentanyl on it.
the duragesic brand is a little different. those are a patch as well but it is like a layer of plastic(sticky so it can stick to your arm), then the layer of meds, then another layer of plastc. think of it like sealing the meds in a little plastic bubble.
the meds looks almost like petrolium jelly.
people cut those open, squeeze the 'jelly' onto a piece of foil, light under the foil and smoke the fumes.

you cant do that with the fentanyl patch so maybe thats why the pharm only orders the fentanyll brand. i can totally see that

originally posted by: frayed1
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Yes, but the pain management people make their patients take drug tests to be sure that they are not using marijuana for their pain, and if they find that they have done so, even a little bit, they are kicked out the door, with the opiates and all other needed meds cut completely off......

i know this happens all the time and i am not sure why but i suspect i know.

as i said i had to sign a paper saying i would not see another doc or use illicit drugs. thats in my file no doubt.

i also see a physiatrist(not pain management) at an offfice at the hospital.
i think a lot of people see a 'pain manager' doc in the pain clinic in some strip mall shopping center or at a pay to see clinic.
i suspect that might be the difference in some of what is happening.

i see a physiatrist every month and next month i have a consult with a doctor about getting a neuro stimulator. i didnt know but the doctor i am going to see is a 'pain manager' but he is the director of the pain department at the hospital where i see the physiatrist.

not saying i am correct but maybe its a little tougher at these pay to see clinics....i would think those are the places people go to doctor shop...
i dont know for sure.

a reply to: paxnatus

All opiates are known as "synthetic heroin"

That's not true. No opiate is synthetic. The term refers to a product derived from the natural alkaloid of poppy resin. It should also be pointed out that Heroin is not the most basic compound derived from the poppy. That would be morphine. In fact once Heroin crosses the blood-brain barrier it is identical to morphine.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254


That's not true. No opiate is synthetic. .

en.wikipedia.org...

Fentanyl (also known as fentanil, brand names Sublimaze,[3] Actiq, Durogesic, Duragesic, Fentora, Matrifen, Haldid, Onsolis,[4] Instanyl,[5] Abstral,[6] Lazanda[7] and others[8]) is a potent, synthetic opioid analgesic with a rapid onset and short duration of action

a reply to: CardiffGiant

All opiates are opioids but not all opioids are opiates. An opiate is specifically a chemical that uses the natural alkaloids from the poppy. An opioid can use either the natural alkaloids or synthetic ones.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

you sad in your post just above this one that no opiate is synthetic.

www.opium.org...

Some of the most commonly used medications on the list of synthetic opiates include

Demerol
Fentanyl
Dilaudid
Norco
Lortab
Atarax
Methadone
Buprenorphine


it dont matter at all just trying to make a point

originally posted by: whyamIhere
Don't forget if you do get Hydrocodone be prepared for a urine test.

It's mandatory...I pay $616.00 every three months so the can check your urine.

They not only test for illegal drugs. They check the levels of the drugs they give you.

The Doctors blame Obamacare.

I wonder if I could save money by sending my p!ss directly to Obama.

You hit the nail on the head my friend. Thank you Obamacare. I'm sure this is a way to recoup some of the money that the ACA will burden the doctors. More people to see, and less money to do so.

a reply to: Elton

This will just make it more profitable for the Cartels. It will
make it more expensive for those with legitimate needs for pain
meds.

Lets make a whole nation of sufferers more miserable just to save the
lives of a few junkies.

My boss used to say, you can make the world fool proof some of the time, but
you can never make it idiot proof. Some people deserve a Darwin award.

a reply to: CardiffGiant

As I have pointed out twice now opiate specifically refers to a chemical that uses the natural alkaloids of the poppy. Anything synthetic is an opioid.

Step 1- Get America hooked on easy pain relief through easy access to opiods

Step 2- Slowly tighten the noose making it more and more difficult to get the pain meds people are already used to getting

Step 3- Reap the benefits when people are forced to resort to street drugs, ie heroin, which is where "they" Really make huge profits as its much cheaper to make and since its illegal they make money on the back end through privatized prisons, where you do not have to stop being a customer because the prisons themselves are packed full of drugs moreso than the streets but at 10x to 50x the price.

What are the two biggest drug smuggling states in the U.S.? Texas and Florida. Do you think its a coincidence that George "Dubya" and Jeb Bush were the Governors (overseers) of both of these states (operations)?

Plus GWB is a Bonesman. The Russel Trust has been linked to drug smuggling since the opium trade forced upon China via the Opium Wars. It's their specialty.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: CardiffGiant

As I have pointed out twice now opiate specifically refers to a chemical that uses the natural alkaloids of the poppy. Anything synthetic is an opioid.

Interesting, thank you for that little tidbit.

I am so sick of the DEA. The DEA should not have the power to override doctors, nor should it have any say in medical matters. In fact, the DEA should be disbanded. This fascist BS is only going to drive people to the black market, or use street drugs to deal with their pain.

In reply to:
whyamihere and
the polish1

Obama care my foot!! They were doing these same tests before Obama even ran.....Now I will surmise that the rest of your 'information' is just as flawed as this gem.....

I am beginning to believe that the aim is to push the old cripples that really need the pain meds, and any others users that are deemed 'useless'....into the black market heroin trade.

People are really blowing this out of proportion. The only ones this will affect is us in pharmacy. Also this is hardly sudden. They've been pushing for this for decades. Hell, the reason Norco and Vicodin even exist is to curb hydrocodone abuse. The acetaminophen in those drugs doesn't actually do anything.

a reply to: Bedlam

DANG MAN they still think it's a secret,SHHHHHHHHH.