Scotland Vote No In Referendum – Selfish, Scared People, Well Done!

a reply to: midicon

Thanks, and I see there is a thread up now about a petition to recount.

These days it seems there is no fair play in anything political, maybe there never really was. A busy population worrying about their next meal and paying the rent, are easily manipulated by the media and the big money players.

a reply to: midicon

Oh please... Not been fairly run?

You had two years to get the message out and even had live TV debates which Salmond did quite well in. At the end of the day, the People of Scotland didn't want to go independent, face it and move on.

As for the swipe at the English there, we have been asking for years for better representation but were roundly ignored for 13 years by Labour who, as it turns out, still refuse to entertain the idea of better English representation as it would impact their own political party, instead they want to (and even tried) to Balkanise England into regions, but never once thought that English MP's voting on English-only matters was a good idea.

But when Scotland asks for something, everyone jumps.... And people wonder why there is a bitterness.

a reply to: stumason

I wasn't having a swipe at the English...the point is that Westminster is populated by a huge majority of English MP's. What can the other home nations do about that? I have no love for Labour or the Conservatives. I merely think that independence is the only path toward real change. I have no political affiliation, in fact this referendum has been my first introduction into politics.

Perhaps at the end of the day if people are stupid enough to fall for political mantras and media spin, from either camp, then ultimately we get what we deserve as a populatiion. I think I have invested too much hope and emotion into this whole affair. I think from now on I will leave the politics to those that feel it is somehow a worthwhile endeavour. I am not against the English people or you for that matter. I think you have a pretty reasonable viewpoint and know more about politics than me.

Regards Midicon.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: boymonkey74

Oh and Buckfast lol.

What a moronic and stereotyping and off topic remark.

Get a life mate.

originally posted by: midicon
I wasn't having a swipe at the English...

Sorry, I thought the comment "perhaps the English should get off their backsides and do something for once" was a swipe... It certainly sounded like it...

originally posted by: midicon
the point is that Westminster is populated by a huge majority of English MP's. What can the other home nations do about that?

Nothing and I don't expect them to. Bottom line is, the other home nation have their own assemblies/Parliaments and to one degree or another have home rule - England does not and has had laws voted in Parliament which, without other "home nation" MP's voting on it, wouldn't have passed. We are, in effect, being Governed by a system which prevents us passing laws over the other nations, but allows them to do so to us.

It is actually for the Government to sort out - my point was, the previous Government under Labour refused point blank to even entertain the idea and for obvious reasons, it seems.

originally posted by: midicon
I have no love for Labour or the Conservatives. I merely think that independence is the only path toward real change. I have no political affiliation, in fact this referendum has been my first introduction into politics.

There is far more choice out there than the the old guard and the more people who realise this who say the same as you, the better it would be. The amount of times I get annoyed when people say "I don't care about Politics" but then moan about whatever is bothering them in life (which Politics deals with) and then go on to say they don't like the Tories or Labour is unreal.

If more people realised that Politics affects everything and to find a party they like (or simply go independent), the better the Government overall. When we have a barely 50% turnout, of course we're going to end up with a bunch of tosspots!

originally posted by: midicon
Perhaps at the end of the day if people are stupid enough to fall for political mantras and media spin, from either camp, then ultimately we get what we deserve as a population. I think I have invested too much hope and emotion into this whole affair. I think from now on I will leave the politics to those that feel it is somehow a worthwhile endeavour. I am not against the English people or you for that matter. I think you have a pretty reasonable viewpoint and know more about politics than me.

Don't back out of politics - stay involved. Don't like Labour, the Tories, the SNP, the Libs or the Greens? There are dozens more parties out there, or start your own!

As the saying goes, all it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing - the same applies for politics. If we all sit back and think "sod it", those that do bother to vote (the party faithful) ensure we end up with the same dog and pony show we've all hated for years.

According to the vote 55% of the people prefer to remain as worms crawling beneath British boots. Yes it's better for a foreign nation to keep their nuclear stored there while they steal your oil. Shame on you Scotland.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: bigman88

Oh stfu.
The Scottish have voted in a democratic referendum and they voted to stay.
The uk isnt just england and iam seeing much english hating already here.
Jello ?.

I am aware that The UK is not only England. That territory is just the one that absorbs the others and calls the whole lot of absorbed ]d territories the UK. I did not demonstrate a lack of knowledge with that bit.

And i would respond with "no u stfu", but i am on a path to God, and me not being face to face with you makes such retorts pointless, so i will just say that once again, i think of only the basics; no one should be owning no one else, and this union should have never happened in the first place, even though it was hundreds of years ago.

But what else is a selfish imperialist supposed to think? If it was truly democratic, and most of Scot land likes being ubject to another country, then i will stfu. But given your governments history, and present going on's in smaller occupied territories, i will say no, it was not fair.

Continue to go bow to your satanic royal family who absorbs most of your hard earned money to live it up and party over your poor heads.

originally posted by: shauny

originally posted by: cyberheater

originally posted by: Expat888
Sadly .. there will always be those who sell out their countrymen prefering instead to continue licking the boots of foriegn masters because theyre afraid to stand on their own ..
Dont give up .. work on educating those who are against being free and push for another vote ...

Get over yourself. Understand that the NO vote is the sovereign will of the Scottish people. We as a people have rejected the campaign and we want to stay in the UK.

Why did over 1 million people not vote who were registered?

This was the highest representation in Great Britain since the '50s. Why did so many people turn out should be the question as it goes against any statistics and shows the passion of all of those who did vote.

Democracy has done its thing, the people voted - you should be proud so many people wanted to cast their vote.

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: bigman88

Yes, you're right, you are very ill informed about these matters. Fight for "freedom"? Freedom from what? What exactly do you think is the history and arrangement of the Union? Have you any idea on what has happened in the 300 years since the Union, or the hundred years prior?

Probably not...Just keep shouting - Braveheart! Freedom! Duhhhhhh!!

Nope, not specifically with Scotland. But if it wasn't all peaches, s i am going to assume you are insinuating here, then you will still be responding the same way. I just go by the crap England has been documented pulling all over the world, including where my parents are from.

a reply to: shauny

I would be so pissed off if I was Scottish right now, in fact I am pissed off and I'm an American. Don't let these Brit loyalists get you down OP, they are blinded by their loyalty to the crown.

You raise a good point about all those who registered but did not vote, something seems fishy here. Let's hope y'all regroup and find a way to break free from the Evil British Empire - it's what's best for the people of Scotland from what I can tell.

Anyone who would prefer to be part of that Nanny State and fell victim to the lies and propaganda leading up to the vote should be ashamed of themselves.

originally posted by: real_one
a reply to: shauny

I would be so pissed off if I was Scottish right now, in fact I am pissed off and I'm an American. Don't let these Brit loyalists get you down OP, they are blinded by their loyalty to the crown.

You raise a good point about all those who registered but did not vote, something seems fishy here. Let's hope y'all regroup and find a way to break free from the Evil British Empire - it's what's best for the people of Scotland from what I can tell.

Anyone who would prefer to be part of that Nanny State and fell victim to the lies and propaganda leading up to the vote should be ashamed of themselves.

You Yanks have become tiresome.

Before worrying about what's happening in The U.K. you need to get your own house in order.

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originally posted by: buster2010
According to the vote 55% of the people prefer to remain as worms crawling beneath British boots. Yes it's better for a foreign nation to keep their nuclear stored there while they steal your oil. Shame on you Scotland.

Wow..... okaaaay.

This graph supports what I thought: that older people, traditionally afraid of change, voted in opposition to the majority of the younger voters. I'm sure their pension funds didn't come into thought when they voted.

originally posted by: real_one
a reply to: shauny

I would be so pissed off if I was Scottish right now, in fact I am pissed off and I'm an American. Don't let these Brit loyalists get you down OP, they are blinded by their loyalty to the crown.

A couple of pints - even if they had voted Yes, the Scottish would still be British. It's the island we all live on.

Secondly, they were going to keep the Queen as Head of State, so your "loyalty to the crown" jibe was pointless.

originally posted by: real_one
You raise a good point about all those who registered but did not vote, something seems fishy here. Let's hope y'all regroup and find a way to break free from the Evil British Empire - it's what's best for the people of Scotland from what I can tell.

The Scots were willing and even vital participants in the "evil British Empire" - they did very nicely off the trade, were very keen to go colonising and actively took part in it's conquest, not to mention the legions of Politicians that Governed said Empire from home and abroad that were Scots.

As for those who registered and didn't vote - considering the turnout was 30% higher than normal elections, where only 50-60% of registered voters actually vote, I don't really see what you're point is.

originally posted by: real_one
Anyone who would prefer to be part of that Nanny State and fell victim to the lies and propaganda leading up to the vote should be ashamed of themselves.

The irony is that Scotland is actually into the whole "nanny state" Socialist nonsense more than the English who traditional vote Conservative.

a reply to: bigman88

Care to show us this "crap" that has been documented that England has done all over the world? This should be interesting....

It's clear you haven't got a clue what you're talking about, for starters England didn't "absorb" the Scots, or even conquer them. They asked to join a Union with England, which was initially resisted.

a reply to: alldaylong

You Yanks have become tiresome.

It's our god given right

Before worrying about what's happening in The U.K. you need to get your own house in order.

Hey, I'm the first to admit that my backyard is filthy as # and speak about this very often both on here and in the real world. If this thread was about the United States I would have certainly put in my two cents about that topic, but the thread is about the vote in Scotland.

Just because I'm American am I not allowed an opinion?

originally posted by: real_one
a reply to: shauny

I would be so pissed off if I was Scottish right now, in fact I am pissed off and I'm an American. Don't let these Brit loyalists get you down OP, they are blinded by their loyalty to the crown.

You raise a good point about all those who registered but did not vote, something seems fishy here. Let's hope y'all regroup and find a way to break free from the Evil British Empire - it's what's best for the people of Scotland from what I can tell.

Anyone who would prefer to be part of that Nanny State and fell victim to the lies and propaganda leading up to the vote should be ashamed of themselves.

Wow, and do you think that was an educated post? As others have already said, the SNP wanted to keep the Queen as head of state, they know that it would have been a major tourism blow otherwise. The voting turnout was slightly under 85%, nothing America has achieved for at least two centuries - is that fishy?

Democracy is the winner here, people looked at the options, they listened to the arguments and made their vote. Why you should criticise people for showing their democratic opinion puzzles me, maybe you have watched Braveheart and thought it was an accurate documentary?

Anyhow, all that should really matter is that so many people voted, they believed in their opinion passionately and wanted to voice it. Those calling people 'fools' or 'stupid' for not voting they way they wanted them to are the opponents of democracy.

originally posted by: real_one
a reply to: alldaylong


Just because I'm American am I not allowed an opinion?

You're joking, being English meant you weren't allowed an opinion on ATS according to some people, why would Americans get special rights?

At the same time though, enter an ATS discussion on gun control and say you are not American and see how popular you are.

a reply to: real_one

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. It's just that when people form opinions on matters they clearly know nothing about it does nobody any good at all.

originally posted by: twfau

This graph supports what I thought: that older people, traditionally afraid of change, voted in opposition to the majority of the younger voters. I'm sure their pension funds didn't come into thought when they voted.

Would you rather have people over the age of 50 not been given a vote then ?