Scotland Vote No In Referendum – Selfish, Scared People, Well Done!

Trying to act like you are civil and composed doesn't change the nature of your people as a whole. Here now, you seem upset. Just let the truth of my words sink in- the English are almost single-handedly responsible for the decline of Western civilization, they perverted it to suit their mercantilistic ambitions. England is the enemy of the traditional European nation-state. Why should Europeans have any sympathy for you? This is what Europe thinks of you:

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a reply to: Connell

I'll ignore the hate filled drivel and try to reply to the rest of your nonsense.

England is the enemy of the traditional European nation-state.

The enemy of 'the traditional European nation-state' is quite clearly and obviously the EU.
England, or more accurately the UK, is actively trying to preserve its national identity despite the persistent efforts of the Eurocrats who are systematically trying to abolish the whole idea of nationhood - surely you recognise this?

Why should Europeans have any sympathy for you?

I don't know......why would anyone want any 'sympathy' from Europeans?
Has anyone asked for any 'sympathy'?

This is what Europe thinks of you:

Exactly, Europe mocks us for our nationalist like attitude.....which you allege we are the enemies of.

Sorry, doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Like most of your misguided rantings they are obviously motivated by bigotry and hatred and certainly not facts or reasoned thought.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: bigman88

So glad your not my grand child .... being relegated to the rocking
chair with my thoughts and experiences counting for nothing,
because *you know best*
How PATRONISING of you to even think she is incapable of making a
rationalised decision, from living through, rather than being
taught.
"from a mind and thought pattern set in stone" REALLY???
She has probably changed her mind many times over the years and
has the life experience to have arrived at the decision she has.

I have not relegated my gramma to the rocking chair and do not take away from her abilities to make rationalized decisions. She has made it this far in her life. She does not know anything except living under British rule. Nothing. She was born into it, went to school as a little girl being taught the values of Britain, was told on her media about the greatness of Britain, had her culture dominated by Britain. What else will she know? Ones life experiences are only subjective, and not necessarily indicative of the whole picture, dude. Oh yeah, she grew up dirt poor. So did my Mom. That's what the excellent British did for Trinidad and Tobago. So basically she is going by the culture and there customs and not by economic prosperity. Tea drinking, music, clothes, stuff like that. Britain also flooded the place with Italian and American music, having think that is the best you can listen to, even though there were many great Trinidadian artists out there of the time.

Listen. She is Trinidadian, and should identify and be proud and a Trinidadian, just as much as you should iidentify and be proud of being an Englishman. I would never say my culture and way of life, is better than yours; that should go the same for you. But you being an anglo-supremacist, can't see anything beneath your upward tilted nose.

Africa? Still reliant and dependant on the Industrialised west
and charity.....
* Water aid?
* Famine relief?
* Decease? ebola? malaria?
* Education? schools?

That is because Africa has not and does not had a full unfettered and uninterrupted opportunity to develop itself. Go research just how much negative involvement the U.S., England and the EU has in Africa, tell me what you see. But that would require an objective mind.

NOTHING ... they would still have been in the same place.
Industrialisation is what has pushed progress for the human race.

How do you know the African nations would not have industrialized themselves? From here are you getting this besides your superiority fantasies.?

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: bigman88

So glad your not my grand child .... being relegated to the rocking
chair with my thoughts and experiences counting for nothing,
because *you know best*
How PATRONISING of you to even think she is incapable of making a
rationalised decision, from living through, rather than being
taught.
"from a mind and thought pattern set in stone" REALLY???
She has probably changed her mind many times over the years and
has the life experience to have arrived at the decision she has.

I have not relegated my gramma to the rocking chair and do not take away from her abilities to make rationalized decisions. She has made it this far in her life. She does not know anything except living under British rule. Nothing. She was born into it, went to school as a little girl being taught the values of Britain, was told on her media about the greatness of Britain, had her culture dominated by Britain. What else will she know? Ones life experiences are only subjective, and not necessarily indicative of the whole picture, dude. Oh yeah, she grew up dirt poor. So did my Mom. That's what the excellent British did for Trinidad and Tobago. So basically she is going by the culture and there customs and not by economic prosperity. Tea drinking, music, clothes, stuff like that. Britain also flooded the place with Italian and American music, having think that is the best you can listen to, even though there were many great Trinidadian artists out there of the time.

Listen. She is Trinidadian, and should identify and be proud and a Trinidadian, just as much as you should iidentify and be proud of being an Englishman. I would never say my culture and way of life, is better than yours; that should go the same for you. But you being an anglo-supremacist, can't see anything beneath your upward tilted nose.

Africa? Still reliant and dependant on the Industrialised west
and charity.....
* Water aid?
* Famine relief?
* Decease? ebola? malaria?
* Education? schools?

That is because Africa has not and does not had a full unfettered and uninterrupted opportunity to develop itself. Go research just how much negative involvement the U.S., England and the EU has in Africa, tell me what you see. But that would require an objective mind.

NOTHING ... they would still have been in the same place.
Industrialisation is what has pushed progress for the human race.

How do you know the African nations would not have industrialized themselves? From here are you getting this besides your superiority fantasies.?

a reply to: eletheia

So glad your not my grand child .... being relegated to the rocking
chair with my thoughts and experiences counting for nothing,
because *you know best*
How PATRONISING of you to even think she is incapable of making a
rationalised decision, from living through, rather than being
taught.
"from a mind and thought pattern set in stone" REALLY???
She has probably changed her mind many times over the years and
has the life experience to have arrived at the decision she has.

I have not relegated my gramma to the rocking chair and do not take away from her abilities to make rationalized decisions. She has made it this far in her life. She does not know anything except living under British rule. Nothing. She was born into it, went to school as a little girl being taught the values of Britain, was told on her media about the greatness of Britain, had her culture dominated by Britain. What else will she know? Ones life experiences are only subjective, and not necessarily indicative of the whole picture, dude. Oh yeah, she grew up dirt poor. So did my Mom. That's what the excellent British did for Trinidad and Tobago. So basically she is going by the culture and there customs and not by economic prosperity. Tea drinking, music, clothes, stuff like that. Britain also flooded the place with Italian and American music, having think that is the best you can listen to, even though there were many great Trinidadian artists out there of the time.

Listen. She is Trinidadian, and should identify and be proud and a Trinidadian, just as much as you should iidentify and be proud of being an Englishman. I would never say my culture and way of life, is better than yours; that should go the same for you. But you being an anglo-supremacist, can't see anything beneath your upward tilted nose.

Africa? Still reliant and dependant on the Industrialised west
and charity.....
* Water aid?
* Famine relief?
* Decease? ebola? malaria?
* Education? schools?

That is because Africa has not and does not had a full unfettered and uninterrupted opportunity to develop itself. Go research just how much negative involvement the U.S., England and the EU has in Africa, tell me what you see. But that would require an objective mind.

NOTHING ... they would still have been in the same place.
Industrialisation is what has pushed progress for the human race.

How do you know the African nations would not have industrialized themselves? From here are you getting this besides your superiority fantasies.?

a reply to: Freeborn

Bah, I got nothing against you anyway. I just don't like your country. Thanks for the argument, nice way to pass an evening wouldn't you say?

originally posted by: Connell
a reply to: Freeborn

Bah, I got nothing against you anyway. I just don't like your country. Thanks for the argument, nice way to pass an evening wouldn't you say?

Not really.. your posting style is not appreciated by me or
most others on ATS

Its not how things work here.

originally posted by: rigel4

originally posted by: Connell
a reply to: Freeborn

Bah, I got nothing against you anyway. I just don't like your country. Thanks for the argument, nice way to pass an evening wouldn't you say?

Not really.. your posting style is not appreciated by me or
most others on ATS

Its not how things work here.

Major Eazy seems okay. Some of these other ones, though..... Well, I'll just take my leave then.

a reply to: Connell

Bah, I got nothing against you anyway.

That's good to hear, but got to say I'm not sure I can believe that, not when you've said so many things about the bastard English.

I just don't like your country.

There's many things I don't like about 'my country' and some of the people in it.
But there is much that I do like and cherish and the vast majority of English - and Welsh, Scots and Irish - are cracking people who just want to get on with living there life's.

And England is far from unique in many aspects, it has dark moments in its past, just like most countries.
And again, there is also much that is good and unique to England and its people and its history - that's the way of the world.

Thanks for the argument, nice way to pass an evening wouldn't you say?

I like reasoned and passionate debate, that's one of the reasons I've been a member here for over 7 years....but I don't like hate driven bigotry whatever shape or form it takes.

Hopefully I'll see you around a bit more often - only with a bit more reasoning and fact to support your opinions and less of the misguided anger and bigotry......and maybe even a bit of humour and craic.

originally posted by: Connell


Yeah, and you would never have gotten your vaunted industrialization were it not for Scottish inventions and Irish labor. It can rightly be argued the the Industrial Revolution began in Scotland. Funny how English peasants forget that (at the behest and subtle nudging of their masters, of course).

If that's a reference to James Watt >>>>

James Watt only improved on the initial invention of an English man

named Thomas Newcomen. After which he moved from Scotland

to England where there was more opportunity for him to continue

with his work!

originally posted by: bigman88
She does not know anything except living under British rule. Nothing. She was born into it, went to school as a little girl being taught the values of Britain, was told on her media about the greatness of Britain, had her culture dominated by Britain. What else will she know?

At the end of the 18th century Trinidad was ruled by the Spanish. In 1783
the Spanish King issued the historic *Cedula of Population* designed to
bring immigrants to the island with the offer of 'free' grants of land to
citizens of any country friendly to Spain, and Roman Catholic. This meant
most settlers were French since the English were mostly Protestant.
( Not much British influence there then?)
The British took Trinidad from the Spanish/French in 1797 and were
responsible for abolishing slavery on the island in 1834.
Trinidad was granted independence in 1962 when your grandmother
would have been around 22 years of age so she will have lived most of
her life in an independent Trinidad? and your mother all of her
life. So STOP with the blame game ......

Oh yeah, she grew up dirt poor. So did my Mom. That's what the excellent British did for Trinidad and Tobago. So basically she is going by the culture and there customs and not by economic prosperity.

Like I said ^^^^Trinidad has been INDEPENDENT since 1962 ^^^^
That is most of your grandmothers life and probably all of your mothers
We have poor people in the UK too. Have you ever considered, that
Trinidad's economy may have been better without independence?

Listen. She is Trinidadian, and should identify and be proud and a Trinidadian,

What ever makes you think she isn't?

just as much as you should iidentify and be proud of being an Englishman. I would never say my culture and way of life, is better than yours; But you being an anglo-supremacist, can't see anything beneath your upward tilted nose.

ME? an anglo-supremacist?? ..... LOL! I am a good mixture of French,
English, Armenian, and Anglo Indian .... and proud of it.

How do you know the African nations would not have industrialized themselves? From here are you getting this besides your superiority fantasies.?

I don't!!! but it would seem that the best developed parts of the
African continent are where other western nations have intervened
in the past. I have relations who have spent time in what are
considered undeveloped areas, and there are tales of the extent
of *official* bribery and corruption needed for survival ....
and the *black hole* where donated items and money disappear?!

a reply to: bigman88

Oh it's hardly nationalism. I hate my nation. America is doomed. I agree with your grandmother. All good things flow from England these days. There's not much to deal with. The nations England touched overwhelmingly were less before English influence, and greater after English influence. Some cultures are superior. That's basic common sense. A culture that's ignorant, mystic, and attached to a dying way is inherently inferior to a culture that can adapt, move forward, progress, and self-learn.

Your interaction with spiritual beings may be nothing more than a brain talking to itself. No different than adream.

No not everyone needs to dress, talk, walk, like they're from England. But you may want to consider what the Latin Americans call Manifesto Antropófago. Sometimes, it is better to eat the flesh of your enemies to better yourself. That does not mean eat the whole body and wear the skin as your own. It simply means, some things taste better.

At some point in time Arabs and Nigerians were certainly beneath English standards. Hell, at some point in time, England was beneath "English standards". But England colonized those places. And those places are a hell of a lot better off than they were before that contact.

a reply to: Gorman91

I'll get to you later, sir. Bedtime

originally posted by: Gorman91
a reply to: bigman88

Oh it's hardly nationalism. I hate my nation. America is doomed. I agree with your grandmother. All good things flow from England these days. There's not much to deal with. The nations England touched overwhelmingly were less before English influence, and greater after English influence. Some cultures are superior. That's basic common sense. A culture that's ignorant, mystic, and attached to a dying way is inherently inferior to a culture that can adapt, move forward, progress, and self-learn.

Your interaction with spiritual beings may be nothing more than a brain talking to itself. No different than adream.

No not everyone needs to dress, talk, walk, like they're from England. But you may want to consider what the Latin Americans call Manifesto Antropófago. Sometimes, it is better to eat the flesh of your enemies to better yourself. That does not mean eat the whole body and wear the skin as your own. It simply means, some things taste better.

At some point in time Arabs and Nigerians were certainly beneath English standards. Hell, at some point in time, England was beneath "English standards". But England colonized those places. And those places are a hell of a lot better off than they were before that contact.

I'm sorry man, but as i told the other person up there, me and you operate on two completely different realms of reality.

What about other indigenous cultures tells you that they are inferior? Who tells you that large scale city management is more better than small scale, individual unity community management? Who tells you that mass production for a large population that is condensed into stack and pack areas instead wide open rural areas, and instead of spending most of their time managing and supporting their own daily needs and provisions, spends most of their time working for large, overarching companies dictating how they get paid and long they work, and exchange the funds exchanges money for those same services instead? Who tells you big stone buildings which the larger (African kingdom tribes did build) contrary to HIStory will tell you in your textbooks) is a technological achievement over clay wood, and straw huts? Who tells you that the tribes not discovering and valuing precious stones makes them less worthy of independence and free agency as you and your ancestors? Most of the tribes did not mine precious metals, fine. Some tribes did not know metalurgy (others did), fine. So what? (the more larger and advanced Ku#es , Moors, Nubians and Ethiopian's did mine precious commodities and traded with them, though. But HIStory books forget that part, don't they?) What exact parts of superior English, or "modern" civilization, trumps all else, and deserves to have the population subjugated and exploited in exchange for this superior way of life?

I guess what i am trying to say is, they were making out fine with there way of life, right? And you have no knowledge and foresight to know that the various tribes would not have "modernized" in certain parts of their societies if they were left alone. And so what if they did not? They feed themselves, build there own abodes, govern themselves, have their own customs, knowledged in the land and what it produces, have hopes, fears, dreams, and loved ones just like your naturally superior English self. But no, they needed your and your ancestors. Because they did not carry themselves like you and your land did, a from of advanced serfdom, they would be doomed without you.

Empires rise, and fall. You do realize that Moors, Ku#es, and Ethiopian kingdoms had roads, fashioned metal and precious stones, systems of advanced hierarchical administration of education, adjudication, infrastructure, religion, and everything else, and hygiene, while all of Europe was populated by hunter gatherer and agricultural tribes?

Explain how these places was in such bad shape before the bright light of England showed up? How? Disease? Disease where? What disease other than the disease that foreigners bought over and introduced to the ecosystem? War and violence? Tribal warfare? Go read up on the ultra-violent shenanigans that various nations of Europe engaged in, including the feudal sects, (basically tribes) within some of those nations. We sold each other to the white man? Yep, just like the rest of the planet, where slavery and sales of slaves were a regular condition of everyone from the superior English to the lowly savages. Everybody engaged in slavery.

Please, sir, specifically list these superior advantages. You might actually convince me that my whole race and others needed you and yours badly.

Better of for it? Maybe that might actually be true, if England and other colonialists actually had truly motioned to use the continents resources "help" these poor people better themselves. But they instead employed the same serfdom, just more brutal and fascistic, on the populace, and they made sure to let them remain in a lowly, dependent position, by stripping them of their ability to provide for themselves and govern themselves, purposefully imposing systematic poverty and disease. They then land in to a bunch of fake countries, then divided some of those countries into fake tribes. This will breed, warfare, violence and ignorance after some years. You really think they know have independence? Yeah right, any of these nations come up with someone that can possibly lead them, the countries that granted them freedom will engineer a coup, and have that leader taken out. Go read up on Patrice Lumumba, who the CIA, her majesty's MI6, French, Belgian, orchestrated in taking out (in which they straight up admitted it). They then finance and then prop up mass murderer Mobutu. Oh yeah, and Paul pot, Idi Amin. Pinochet. None of these places have true freedom, but only shadow handlers managing proxy rulers, who are always brutal and greedy.

But hey, there is no use trying to convince an intelligent person with anything that they completely have their pride invested in.

List these standards that these various populations are beneath, and why. The only thing i can agree with you on is the belief in demonic shamanism and animal and spirit worship and nature worship, which is directly contrary to Yehoshua our savior and the God of all, Jehovah. But go on, point out the inferior's, and why.

a reply to: bigman88

They move stones, we move mountains. It's really that simple. We are superior because our culture has allowed us a greater will to power than they. They are subject to nature's will. Nature is subject to our will. This inherently puts us above them. Our mistakes destroy their cultures, while we go on. Their mistakes disturb a single tree, and are hardly remembered.

This is why. Empires do not rise and fall. The empire has always existed, someone else has simply sat on the throne. Health and technology have always existed. We simply hold its keys now. Our standards create more. Their standards erase more.

Theirs is a shackle to kill the spirit. Ours a spear to kill our demons and free our souls.

originally posted by: Gorman91


They move stones, we move mountains. It's really that simple. We are superior because our culture has allowed us a greater will to power than they. They are subject to nature's will. Nature is subject to our will. This inherently puts us above them. Our mistakes destroy their cultures, while we go on. Their mistakes disturb a single tree, and are hardly remembered.

This is why. Empires do not rise and fall. The empire has always existed, someone else has simply sat on the throne. Health and technology have always existed. We simply hold its keys now. Our standards create more. Their standards erase more.

Theirs is a shackle to kill the spirit. Ours a spear to kill our demons and free our souls.

Nice and simplistically put .... I found 'his' post very difficult
to assimilate as it jumped between centuries and didn't take into
account that much of the evil done was after they gained
independence
by the greedy, corrupt leaders of their own ethnicity.

from big man'
Disease? Disease where? What disease other than the disease that
foreigners brought over and introduced to the ecosystem?

Considering the recent 'Ebola epidemic' then there's also
# Malaria (tropical disease)
# Onchocerciasis (from sub Saharian Africa)
# Guinea worm disease
# Hook worm and other intestinal parasites most commonly found
in sub tropical climates, particularly the South African continent, and
more if one cares to go deeper into it

All these are being treated and conquered by the modern up to
date treatments, hygiene, and medication developed in the
western world

This thread seems to have drifted slightly off topic.

I'm very suspicious of ANY claims of cultural superiority......I much prefer to acknowledge that there are cultural differences.

Most societies, and indeed Empires, have much to be proud.
Conversely they all also have things to be not so proud of.

All Empires that have ever been have one thing in common - subjugation of defeated people.

Far too many people tend to judge the events of yesterday using the morals and standards of today.
And judging by the morals and standards of the day the British can hardly be described as exceptionally brutal and repressive - look at the excesses of the Spanish and French to name but two.
The British Empire was far from being unique in some of its dealings with those whom it had conquered, but it was far more efficient in its administration and management of those lands.

And its also worth noting at this point - it was a BRITISH Empire, one that many Scots, Welsh and Irish took a leading role in establishing and maintaining.

Its is equally incorrect and inaccurate to blame the English for the empire's faults and failings as it is to claim some sort of cultural or racial superiority thanks to its success.

originally posted by: Gorman91
a reply to: bigman88

They move stones, we move mountains. It's really that simple. We are superior because our culture has allowed us a greater will to power than they. They are subject to nature's will. Nature is subject to our will. This inherently puts us above them. Our mistakes destroy their cultures, while we go on. Their mistakes disturb a single tree, and are hardly remembered.

This is why. Empires do not rise and fall. The empire has always existed, someone else has simply sat on the throne. Health and technology have always existed. We simply hold its keys now. Our standards create more. Their standards erase more.

Theirs is a shackle to kill the spirit. Ours a spear to kill our demons and free our souls.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You make me laugh, good sir Mr.Gentleman. Your words are the words of a supremacist, and you have definitely ignored or completely missed the central point i was trying to make in my post. But i am not surprised, as someone who with your mindset would not see the intrinsically, empirically moral and ethical notion of LEAVING SOMEONE THE F ALONE, or the idea that just because the empire and it's society is constructed upon a large scale modernized version of serfdom, where the knowledge, the opportunity and the means to move mountains is relegated to the few with the best environment and material wealth, while the majority of the popualtion do not and will not acquire those skills, and are only afforded the ability to work route, monotonous tasks menially and fearfully under thorough regulation and monetization directed by a small group of elite rulers, those with the knowledge to move mountains. While these inferior people has a small scale community where EVERYONE HAS THE SKILL, ABILITY AND OPPORTUNITY, WITH HARD WORK, TO ACQUIRE EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED OFF OF THE LAND IN ORDER TO LIVE HAPPY AND HEALTHY.

Where did you get that these people are "subject" to natures will? Are you sure about that, or are they simply in an environment where they are closest, physically and geographically, emotionally, to nature, and they are only COMFORTABLY experiencing and living in harmony with it's many modes and hosts that God has created?

You think you are so smart and mighty? Because you have your version knowledge applicable to your pyramid fashioned society? You have the technological ability synthetically "control" nature, so a popualtion who lives harmoniously with it while protecting and planning for her anger and wrath, is beneath you? You and rulers of your thought pattern do nothing but destroy and poison nature with your knowledge, anyway. Go revel in that.

You, Mr. Goodsir, will do well as Machiavelli's protege, and with that mindset, there is no use in speaking from a base of morality. Your posts reak of cold, raw, calculating, corporate domination with a healthy dose of darwinian pride.

Good day, Master.

a reply to: bigman88

Nah you made the assumption that isolation = moral. I reject this hypothesis as something which historically has never been beneficial, and has only caused problems. I am indeed a supremacist, but by no means to a particular people or custom. English, after all, is an Anglo Saxon people with a Latin-Greek context to a Germanic language, with French words. Oh, and an Indian number system to boot.

I'm against isolation. I'm against living people "The F Alone". Humans were never created to stay in a cage and hide from their neighbors.

If you feel the need to put yourself in a cage being they only way to respect others, you don't have any correct view of reality. Luckily, you and others like you, by your nature, are a temporary phenomenon. The hermit neither reproduces nor is heard. He is a passing phenomenon doomed to the dust he places his hope in.

I'm not ignoring nature's wrath. I simply pride myself in the fact that we now have the tools to kill her wrath and cage her rage. Nature died a cold death. Only a god can resurrect her now. Believe it or not, because I believe in a God, I do think that will happen one day. But that day is not today. And so until the grave nature was duped in shakes and she emerges, I'm more than happy to pay my respects and built a skyscraper on her grave.

originally posted by: Gorman91
a reply to: bigman88

Nah you made the assumption that isolation = moral. I reject this hypothesis as something which historically has never been beneficial, and has only caused problems. I am indeed a supremacist, but by no means to a particular people or custom. English, after all, is an Anglo Saxon people with a Latin-Greek context to a Germanic language, with French words. Oh, and an Indian number system to boot.

I'm against isolation. I'm against living people "The F Alone". Humans were never created to stay in a cage and hide from their neighbors.

If you feel the need to put yourself in a cage being they only way to respect others, you don't have any correct view of reality. Luckily, you and others like you, by your nature, are a temporary phenomenon. The hermit neither reproduces nor is heard. He is a passing phenomenon doomed to the dust he places his hope in.

I'm not ignoring nature's wrath. I simply pride myself in the fact that we now have the tools to kill her wrath and cage her rage. Nature died a cold death. Only a god can resurrect her now. Believe it or not, because I believe in a God, I do think that will happen one day. But that day is not today. And so until the grave nature was duped in shakes and she emerges, I'm more than happy to pay my respects and built a skyscraper on her grave.

Once again, goodsir, you don't bother addressing all points made in my post.

I never said anything about isolation equaling morality. I never said that all the tribes were moral; the tribes and kingdoms of the world varied. Some started sh*t, others were chilled. I never mentioned isolation anyway, at all, but my words were understandably misread. What i meant by leaving people alone was to not violently force your way onto a people. Show them what it is to have the "knowledge" of a master race like yourself. If they are with it, they will be receptive and learn willingly. If they are not, they will tell you we like our own way of living. We don't need your mass industrialization, your large population city layout, your natural environment killing technology and chemicals, your anything.

But you are welcome to hang out with for a bit. Thanks for the offer, though.

If they want to be left alone, then you have some sort of manifest destiny to force yourself in? For what purpose other than territorial acquisition and chief dick-waver status? If they end up resisting, trying to repel aggressive invaders, and you end up murdering the whole lot of them, who is to blame? Who are the savages?

You killed NATURE? Who the HELL do you think you are? the very fact that you mention your belief in God, and that he will have to resurrect something that he had no intention of you destroying for a means of artificial profit for a few hegemonical figures, and building a high building in it's place, means that you have no respect and no reverence for the one true God, Jehovah. Let that sit, for a bit.

You would have made a good first-line infantryman for Christopher Columbus and his voyage. You still deny any sense of moral responsibility, something which this Kingdom never had, or never will have any interest in recognizing.

Pack your bags, load your rifle with it's rounds, and get a large team of proud aryan's. There are plenty of nature and it's human inhabitants in the Amazon rainforest or African Savannah that needs your industry and intelligence.