Strange radar images removed from Facebook

a reply to: Charizard

I figured it was just a glitch but my brain immediately thought "HAARP!" so I took a screencap of it just for fun.

Just wondering why you would automatically think HAARP was the cause of the glitch you sctreencapped?

We have seen these on ATS fairly often. The source can be anything from thermal inversion to the radars being switched to “clear air mode” (CLR).

radarscope.tv...

When there’s no precipitation in the area, it’s common for the radar to be operating in what is called “clear air mode.” In this mode, the radar is scanning more slowly so that it can be more sensitive and pick up much weaker returns. This allows it to see more details and detect finer particles in the atmosphere, including things like dust and insects.

You often get these rings in CLR mode.
Thermal inversion:
www.theweatherprediction.com...

BTW look here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: murkraz

Look familure?

a reply to: Phage


Or planes usually birds as chaff..would explain the mass bird deaths too. Either way it's not haarp.

Oh, that? You mean all those circular patterns? Thats nothing to be worried about. Theyre just trying to set off the New Madrid fault line and empty the Great Lakes out into the Gulf of Mexico via Mississippi River. Nothing much to see here guys.

a reply to: Rezlooper

Facebook removed likely because these radar images are mis represented, all of those circles are Doppler radar stations a network there are errors that occur that produce such anomalies also high moisture is a lesser possibility man im tired of your global warming naive understanding of climate and its science I am an aspiring meteorologist and you are very politicaly oriented and could give a crap about science.

A lot of people have explained this, but maybe I can add some simplicity. Each radar station is on a pole or raised structure. No matter how powerful they are, they each have a maximum range that they are imaging. In other words, the software sets a limit on what is reliable and will image to a set range. This will create a nearly perfect circle in a solid precipitation event as the radar scans in a circle. Stand in one spot and swing a yoyo around your head if you aren't seeing how the basic phenomenon of the circles comes about.

Now on to the banding. This can be caused by either physical phenomenon like layered precipitation/moisture (fog with overhead clouds), or just changes in radar settings. As the beam goes out, it simply cant see the higher layer and the lower layer at the same ranges, so you see rings.

Additionaly, this is combined with the fact that the radar does no have the ability to see all ranges at a given bandwidth/pulsewidth setting. Without getting into the speed of light vs range math, the radar needs to have a series of pulsewidth and bandwidth settings to see both near and outrange detections as separate as well as seeing different types and levels of moisture. This will created distinct banding in a lot of conditions especially if the settings are stepped pretty coarsely.

The reality is that if it was a big 100 mile long phased array radar, you would not see circles, but possibly a series of parallel lines like bacon.

a reply to: Rezlooper

www.nbcnews.com...

In May 2013, the site shut down during a change in operations contractors. At the time, the HAARP program manager told reporters that the site was temporarily closed and locked, with only one DARPA project left to wrap up by early 2014.

It's time to find a new boogyman.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

lol I think HAARP has become the new 'weather balloon' scapegoat to explain weather anomalies.

originally posted by: GoOfYFoOt

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: GoOfYFoOt
I don't see any "movement". I just see some RADAR sites showing returns and then more sites showing returns...Could you highlight the movement for us?

Here is from friend, just messaged me

"hey tell them wen we had clicked the play button on the weatherbug radar everything was moving BUT the circles they were statioinary. i just asked my friend that her and i seen this and she remember we hit play"

Right.
At the center of each "circle" is a NEXRAD or Doppler RADAR site connected to the network. Each circle is a separate image overlapped with the rest to show the whole area's weather...The circles are time-lapse recordings showing the reflectivity of precipitation or dense moisture in the atmosphere...

I thought you said it was fog? You have any idea what you're talking about?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: PlasticWizard
Yes, Chaff shows on NEXRAD but it doesn't make rings. Rings are attributable to a number of things, including migrating birds.



a reply to: GoOfYFoOt
And yes, it's that time of year.

Migration is heating up across North America! With every night that passes, more and more birds are headed south.

badbirdz2.wordpress.com...

The information plate on the right side of the image shows dBZ values and corresponding birds/km3 values. Dr. S. A. Gauthreaux of Clemson University, used counts of nocturnal migrants observed flying across the disk of the full moon to produce a conversion from dBZ to birds/km3. Each pixel on the image represents a volume of space equal to one cubic kilometer.
Interestingly, NEXRAD cannot distinguish between different types of precipitation, or even if targets are precipitation, birds, insects, or dust. Reflectivity and other NEXRAD images however, contain many clues about the nature of radar echoes.

www.njaudubon.org...

By late August or early September, the martins begin their migration south, and then the roosting activity of other bird species nears its peak.

The unique doughnut pattern of these roost rings is the result of the martins departing their roosting site in all directions, roughly in equal densities. As they travel further from their roosting site and reach higher altitudes, they are detected by radar until they either rise above or drop below the radar beam.

www.erh.noaa.gov...

Are you saying you think there is a possibility that these images (massively large perfect circles) could be birds?

originally posted by: Charizard
Oh, neat. I found one of these a while back when I was playing around with the weather radar app on my ipad. I figured it was just a glitch but my brain immediately thought "HAARP!" so I took a screencap of it just for fun.

It's almost like something is penetrating the clouds, so to speak, like dispersing the cloud and breaking up the potential storm.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Rezlooper

Facebook removed likely because these radar images are mis represented, all of those circles are Doppler radar stations a network there are errors that occur that produce such anomalies also high moisture is a lesser possibility man im tired of your global warming naive understanding of climate and its science I am an aspiring meteorologist and you are very politicaly oriented and could give a crap about science.

And you're a naive brainwashed student of ignorance. I fear for the future of meteorology if all students spell and write sentences the way you do. And, in this thread where has anything come up about global warming? Why not stick to the topic or don't stick at all! Is it against the rules here at ATS to post something one has a serious question about or are we all supposed to just to know without asking? Isn't that what these forums are for?

a reply to: Rezlooper

Little circles like something penetrating a cloud, what are we kindergarteners playing with shapes? Im on a cell otherwise I'd link please use Google and research a false echo. Or we can play with shapes and try to make farm animals with our bugers.

Back to back solar flares that would have began effecting Earth beginning Friday caused not only amazing northern lights, but could also have cause intermittent disturbances.

a reply to: SunnyRunner360

If I had to pick any of the explanations above I would say it had to do with the solar storm and that it was each radar in the fine-tuned setting picking up the electromagnetic activity. This is a combination of two explanations given in this thread. Just a guess though, I'm no expert...or meteorologist.

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: GoOfYFoOt

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: GoOfYFoOt
I don't see any "movement". I just see some RADAR sites showing returns and then more sites showing returns...Could you highlight the movement for us?

Here is from friend, just messaged me

"hey tell them wen we had clicked the play button on the weatherbug radar everything was moving BUT the circles they were statioinary. i just asked my friend that her and i seen this and she remember we hit play"

Right.
At the center of each "circle" is a NEXRAD or Doppler RADAR site connected to the network. Each circle is a separate image overlapped with the rest to show the whole area's weather...The circles are time-lapse recordings showing the reflectivity of precipitation or dense moisture in the atmosphere...

I thought you said it was fog? You have any idea what you're talking about?

No! What I said, was that it was a possibility, as I have seen heavy fog create the same anomaly in my area.

And, as for my description you referenced, it was becoming clear, that the OP and his buddy, had a limited understanding of how RADAR works.

SO, do you have anything productive to add, or are you just trolling?

originally posted by: defcon5
We have seen these on ATS fairly often. The source can be anything from thermal inversion to the radars being switched to “clear air mode” (CLR).

radarscope.tv...

When there’s no precipitation in the area, it’s common for the radar to be operating in what is called “clear air mode.” In this mode, the radar is scanning more slowly so that it can be more sensitive and pick up much weaker returns. This allows it to see more details and detect finer particles in the atmosphere, including things like dust and insects.

You often get these rings in CLR mode.
Thermal inversion:
www.theweatherprediction.com...

BTW look here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: murkraz

Look familure?

This is exactly what happened.
No need to spew out any other wacked out theories.

Looks like just typical radar returns, I have a phone app, and sometimes if thjere is precipitation at higher altitudes but not raining, it will look like this, Can we match the picture, with ground based weather radar stations.

And here I thought it was the boogymen from Olympus coming to cull the gimps

But I was confused they they were saucer shaped and not huge triangles
Hmmmm

Seriously though, I like all the alternative ideas purported, the best one so far is that they were birds
That made me laugh out loud

I am not going to join the debate of WHAT these images are, but I would speculate that they were removed for copyright violation. Most likely a DCMA takedown request from the provider of the original images.