American fined $5000, for entering the US. . . . . illegally?

a reply to: chuck258

They were both fined...did you read your own posted article??

“While interdictions are always handled on a case by case basis, in this particular incident, both men deliberately entered the U.S. without lawful inspection and as such, each subject was assessed a $5,000 civil penalty. … Since this is an administrative fine, the individuals do not have to go through a judicial process and will have approximately 30 days to pay the fine,” the agency said in a statement.

It's illegal to enter the United States without going through a checkpoint. That's why 'illegal immigrants' are illegal.

ETA: What's the source for this article? There's no names listed, there's no location...where did the author get this information?

originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: irgust

You are aware of the amount of Arabs coming through the Mexican border into the US?

Qurans found abandoned near the border?

I hate to be divisive here because I see the worldwide situation is a huge show, but there is no way the gov is keeping an eye on the southern border, because people from allover are sneaking in.

And I've read the Canadian/US border is very easy to penetrate in some areas, but don't quote me on it, I don't know if it's fact or fiction.

No I wasn't aware but thanks. I'm not against immigration but it should be done legally.

I know right? Why enforce any rules.
I mean it's only a border and why not just let anyone who wants to cross it without any repercussions.

originally posted by: links234
They were both fined

A Canadian being fined by an American entity.

Yeah, I'm sure he'll be in a rush to pay that.

originally posted by: RifRAAF
If it were Australia they would send the both of them to Cambodia/Sri Lanka/Papua and deny them any basic human rights.

If they do not like the resorts we send illegals to they can leave anytime that they want to!

Leave millions upon millions of illegals to run loose, don't enforce the border and fine these two guys? They should have pretended to be from South of the border.

reply to: links234


Lots of indignation about this. Wow lol. Maybe if enough "Deytookarejobz!!" types cry to their senators, we can eliminate fines for Americans re-entering illegally, and I'll finally feel comfortable enough with the risk/reward equation to hang up my corporate shoes and embark on my true calling: smuggling contraband.

Oh, and it seems a lot of education is still needed with the fantasies some folks have about illegals not paying taxes, but getting social security, etc. I won't bother with details, but for staters, ask yourself, how do they not pay taxes? Is their home exempted from property tax? Their paychecks have no withholding? Their goods purchased devoid of sales tax? Tollways free? I can't imagine one tax they could avoid, other than being paid cash, in which case they're knowingly employed by someone who likely publicly rants and raves about "them durned Messikinz takin' are jobz." I believe those are the folks who should be publicly hanged for the damage they do to the "bottom 95%"

a reply to: network dude

Bwahahaha.....now thats funny.

a reply to: links234

Fair enough, the Canadian man was also fined, however, the main point of this article still stands. An American was fined $5000 for entering the United States when he clearly had no ill intention. The burden of proof is on the United States however to take measures to prevent this from happening. Something tells me there is no sort of signage, and obviously no fence to illustrate to people that they are crossing an international border. I think this man has a fair case in court if the Border Patrol can not prove they have taken sufficient measure to 'ensure' people are informed they are crossing the border into the United States.

I also find it appalling that they are throwing the book at this American and Canadian who again have obviously proven they had no ill intention, and that it was a simple mis-understanding. Mexicans and illegal immigrants on our southern border have been crossing over and SELF INITIATING CONTACT WITH BORDER PERSONNEL, and they are given a plane ticket to some small American town who then have to put them up, feed them and put their children though school. This is hypocrisy and a double standard.


EDIT: On the source part of your reply.

I first discovered this article on an independent blogging site, after a quick google search, washingtontimes proved to be the most trustworthy, mainstream and legitimate, it is a well known publication.

Why are these bike paths there if we can't use them?

Are they just to look at? Is it to get our bike path numbers up?

a reply to: links234

WRONG!!!! Illegal immigrants are illegal because they don't have the legal right to be in the US...

It is impossible for an American to travel illegally into the US. If there is a law stating that it is, then it is the LAW that is illegal, not the freedom of travel for an American...

Jaden

originally posted by: deckdel
a reply to: chuck258



This is simply because the bikers in this question had no what so ever political nor demographic value.

This is true. They're probably not future dem voters.

a reply to: SloAnPainful

American Tax law is in 12+ thick volumes. Used to be pamphlet or light novel size for 1 night's reading. If you have to spend weeks just readying the current tax law books, you would need months to interpret it. When youre done with interpretation you will have forgotten a few hundred pages here and there.

a reply to: chuck258
you guys are missing the pint the canadian was charged with a fine the american was because he didnt go thrpugh there checkpoint so he could be treated as a criminal and searched yhe canadian was simply sent back to canada

originally posted by: Masterjaden

WRONG!!!! Illegal immigrants are illegal because they don't have the legal right to be in the US...

Right...because they didn't go through a checkpoint...they entered illegally.

It is impossible for an American to travel illegally into the US. If there is a law stating that it is, then it is the LAW that is illegal, not the freedom of travel for an American...

It's illegal to enter the US, citizen or not, without proper travel papers being verified at a border checkpoint. Another post-9/11 law that we have now.

I have crossed the bridge unintentionally at Niagra Falls (long time back) just walking with my family. On the other side is Canada and I did not know the bridge is no man's land. However they just checked my papers and let me go.

The Americans are now boxed in and paranoid. These are signs of a weakening power.

originally posted by: NeoSpace
Guessing these two guys where white, they would not dare to pull this on a colored person with the fear of being branded a racist.

agreed

I live on one side of the border and my family has a cabin on the other side. We have two ways to get there...drive 250 miles to get to an official border crossing, or about 20-25 miles on a gravel road. The gravel road crosses the border just at a random spot. No markers or anything.

For decades we just drove down the gravel road and called the Border Crossing and told them we were there. Essentially just "logging in".

After 9/11 Montana asked us and people like us to not do this anymore and to cross at the designated crossings. We obliged. Then after about a year they let it go back to how it was. They do this in part because if they were to patrol the entire length of the border it would cost millions and the effect on illegal immigration is zilch. In fact, it is the people like us that have an interest in keeping those backroads open and our cabins safe that report suspicious people and activity. And they hop to it in a hurry both sides of the border.

Every once-and-a-while you get some gung-ho Border guy that goes back there and tries to scare us all into fearing him, but those types seem to get re-assigned pretty fast.

The western border (until you get to Vancouver) is so sparsely populated that unofficial crossing points are pretty common.

How many of you know of or use these crossings?

originally posted by: ArchAngel_X

originally posted by: links234
They were both fined

A Canadian being fined by an American entity.

Yeah, I'm sure he'll be in a rush to pay that.

They will deport him back here for jail time if he does not pay it. TRUST.

a reply to: ArchPlayer

No. They won't. Trust.

However, if he ever wants to go to the US he will need to deal with it. Anyway, I am willing to bet he will get it reduced to under $500 or dismissed altogether.