It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Still, in the New Testament and especially in Revelation, Jesus states he is coming back to kill us all and let God sort us out. So what is so good about that?

a reply to: Trapeze

You are the one judging your neighbor, not him.

He is asking in a nutshell, what did Christ say? You really should review.

Take special note, the ones who thought they were saved, were not. The ones that were saved, are surprised.

I don't see much room for Pauline theology in those verses. I see the The Royal law, and followers of it, being rewarded.

So, anyone whom doesn't agree with your perception of reality, should be silenced and banned? This is loving another as thyself.... how?

Falling in the hands of the living God remains a dreadful thing.

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: Trapeze
a reply to: Akragon

What rules are you bound to, the rules of the dead? All you do is judging others and spewing nasty sh*t. Your day will come. See ya.

Please... don't make me laugh

You've been here for a minute compared to me.... and you know nothing of what I post... clearly

Shooo fly...

Trapeze seems like you are having a bad time today and are also judging Akragon without all the information on all levels. I hope you find release and comfort soon.

Akragon. Even if I am agreeing with you about faith without works being dead, progress can be made as a gift from the divine to help you reach potential in manifesting works. Intention should led to Manifestation otherwise the faith is just a garment for the ego to show for others.

Namaste to all. I love that word meaning "I bow to the divine in you".

a reply to: Thurisaz

It is Pauline theology run amuck.

Jesus never said any of this garbage. He told of a God of love, all forgiving... except for two kinds of people he had something against.

Religious "leadership", using God's law against another. In turn, driving away anyone who would simply love God and listen to his ways. Like for example.. the ideology behind the OP's posting.

And...

The money changers. Bankers. The only people in the Universe that made him violently lash out.

originally posted by: Trapeze

Falling in the hands of the living God remains a dreadful thing.

From my point of view it is the opposite. No place to hide what you are both the negative and the positive. Getting clear information on what you are and what you need to improve on and knowing you have plenty of time to implement that change taking each step at a time. No garments or ego view to hide behind just objective logical truth and awareness.

a reply to: Not Authorized

It's wide in the open now, for everyone to see.

a reply to: Trapeze

You post only a few verses and they have several deep meanings that could all be explored on their own. So many directions for one op to take. I think posting more verses around the ones you post or posting less would be easier to understand where you are coming from in your search or warning. Just going by your title one could say that we are in hell and the living god is the complete opposite of who he is upstairs or that the living god has many punishments to disperse to us. What have we done. That would just top all to be complete oblivious to how we are screwing up and still be punished. So many directions we could take this but only one true path.

originally posted by: Trapeze
a reply to: Thurisaz

Can't even take a warning ey?

Why are all of you so quick to instigate?

I just don't understand.

I really don't understand.

then let me help you understand. your warning wields a dagger behind its cloak and some people find that offensive. if someone drew a gun and idly commented on what a shame it would be for me to disappoint them, i would be raising my hackles as well. thats a veiled threat and hardly indicative of goodwill.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: AlephBet

Now that is an answer I can respect... but still giving is an act... a work of the spirit

So is (for)giving... a work of the spirit...

Faith requires action or it is nothing more then words... Thus Faith alone is nothing without action...

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

I agree. This is why all the unrighteous will be destroyed, but this creates a paradox. Some will live and some will die, right? According to the theology that Satan is one being and Christ another, you have this paradox. I simply have been trying to show you the answer to the paradox. You are BOTH the righteous and wicked, as is the image of the Son of God. The wicked are destroyed so the righteous can live. You are BOTH.

Heaven Above - Angel

Earth Middle - Dweller on the Threshold

Hell Below - Satan

You don't earn the Angel. You were created the Angel form the beginning. You face God as the child in the middle and become the Son from the inheritance. The process of water baptism takes you as the Angel above down into the veil, or threshold of the temple. Baptism is for what purpose? Repentance of unrighteousness (for all of us). The unrighteous dies and is burned by the fire (trials / suffering). The Angel (righteous) part of you cannot die and will never be away from God. The Angel has never been away from God. We do not wear our own robe above. We wear the robe of Christ (Suffering of the Saints).

Again, the Son of God is both Satan / Lord : Redeemer / Christ. He is all of these by potential and the Words of the Bible were for Him. His sacrifice, not ours, ensures that the Head of the body below is at the right hand of God and not in the underworld below. He conquered it for us by doing what none of us could do.

Which way does death lead? Down. Which way does Christ lead after destroying sin and death forever. Up. For everyone. There are three aspects to all men. Righteous, unrighteous (death) and life in the middle. Unrighteousness is done away with. That man is dead when we face God. ALL will face God, or his work has failed.

Baptism of water puts out fire.

Fire burns up. No one will stay in hell for long. The chaff remains, or the part of us that is burned up. UP!

The first (pride of life) will be last (to leave). The Last (Humble and Meek) will be first (to gain the Angel). ALL will be.

a reply to: Trapeze

I'm not sure I follow. What's in the open? I was confused on posters due to similarities to names, thanks to football and rushing? Which, I would offer an apology on and I have already edited once I realized my posting mistake? I thought I was posting to you in my haste.

Or, that Jesus taught against this very mentality in presented in the OP? That Jesus was angry at religious leadership and moneychangers (who isn't?). That a judgement of sheep and goats was told in the gospels? That Jesus warned of goats, who would say they know and worship his way, but did not?

Or, that I'll use words of religious theologians, against themselves, using it as a stick of measure, or a mirror? That I will point out hypocrisy of the supposed followers of him, using the very texts they claim to follow? Eg, stating to check your fur, when your words are drawn into comparison to his own words? Those purportedly followed by his "followers?" That's not an endorsement. That's comparing and contrasting those that should take considerable pause at their own actions to fellow man, if they truly "do believe."

If you accept the gospels, Jesus taught love, compassion, and forgiveness. One unifying message: Love God, and then likewise, love your neighbor as thyself. His bone was with any person who would interfere intentionally with that simple truth.

Now for a disclaimer. I don't believe in your God. I believe very much in a loving God. Not the God of the writers of hebrews. And certainly not the violent tribal war God in the Old Testament. I believe in an unfathomably large God, the one who created the Universe, and all life within it, not just "Earth". One that loves all of his creation, for it being simply what it is. One that doesn't "need" a book, or church, or buildings, or followers, or sects, or cults.

He already talks to all, with what is known as your conscious, through his own spirit. That voice inside, always telling you right from wrong, instinctively.

I feel that he is Infinite variety in infinite combinations. One, who wants to simply observe and enjoy creation.. with his creation.

Furthermore, in my mind, a Jesus character ever existing, is in question. I personally lean towards the whole story being fictional, designed in order for other men, to oppress men. Ie, books written like "Hebrews" to scare people, for absolutely no good reason. Books like that certainly made a group of men lots of money, and helped acquire vast amounts of property, including slavery, over time. If a Jesus existed, only fragments of his truth still exist if the current state of the world is any consideration.

So I offer my only advice. Take the best of his words, and move on into the 21st century. Leave the worst behind. Now, "that" new reality, which is really the way it has always been, is out in the "open." What say you?

If everyone actually was more concerned about following the "Royal Law" he taught, and not oppressing others with Pauline hellfire, the world would truly be a MUCH MUCH better place.

Hateful words, really do no longer have a place in our society and civilization. They ultimately, will be our own doom.

a reply to: AlephBet

I swear I know your writing...

Few have had an effect on my theology... but there has been a couple


hmmmmm....

a reply to: Akragon
True and if you get some spare time it could be fun or beneficial to go check out threads from that poster. Ear opening for me to say the least.

a reply to: AlephBet

Yes, since the animalistic selfish side of the human will be burnt away, then it is important to build up the loving part of ourselves now, increasing in Love.

The LIVING Water the holy spirit will wash away all the pain/burning. It is Love/Healing/Nurturing, what satisfies the thirst of the of the spiritual world (which those without lack).

originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: AlephBet

Yes, since the animalistic selfish side of the human will be burnt away, then it is important to build up the loving part of ourselves now, increasing in Love.

The LIVING Water the holy spirit will wash away all the pain/burning. It is Love/Healing/Nurturing, what satisfies the thirst of the of the spiritual world (which those without lack).

You bring up a perspective I have not thought of. The water being later in the process, like the Priest washing the residue from the altar at the end of the sacrifice. Interesting.

originally posted by: AlephBet

originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: AlephBet

Yes, since the animalistic selfish side of the human will be burnt away, then it is important to build up the loving part of ourselves now, increasing in Love.

The LIVING Water the holy spirit will wash away all the pain/burning. It is Love/Healing/Nurturing, what satisfies the thirst of the of the spiritual world (which those without lack).

You bring up a perspective I have not thought of. The water being later in the process, like the Priest washing the residue from the altar at the end of the sacrifice. Interesting.

The fire and water will from my point of view sometimes exists both in the body at the same time helping the ego side to become smaller and the wants to be more symbiotic with everything greater. Making steam.

An oldy.

a reply to: NightFlight

ahahaha oh man the tears are rollin, sorry but it is and is'nt what it seems and hard to esplain

Revelation 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

All nations compassed me about: but in the name of the Lord will I destroy them.
They compassed me about; yea, they compassed me about: but in the name of the Lord I will destroy them. Psalm118

And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.For my sword shall be bathed in heaven Isaiah34

Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. Zechariah4

2 Corinthians 5 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Revelation17

a reply to: LittleByLittle

Great video. Thank you for that.

a reply to: NightFlight

Are you one who will be sentenced to hell? You seem to be convinced already. Well, I'd change my life then if I were you.

originally posted by: Trapeze
a reply to: NightFlight

Are you one who will be sentenced to hell? You seem to be convinced already. Well, I'd change my life then if I were you.

Hell isn't a real place, except to the psychos who believe it is. If they want to go there they can keep on keepin' on.