Russia Warns US Against Strikes on ISIS in Syria

originally posted by: thesmokingman
To quote Walter White from Breaking Bad: "I would suggest you tread lightly".Russia is/will be in the minority as far as this goes. Now I have said from the get go that ISIS is just a front to keep us entangled in never ending war, AND to get us into Syria, and eventually Iran. We tried like hell last year to get into syria and overthrow Assad, and China and Russia both protested that idea, and it did not happen. They have interests in Syria and are a huge arms/goods exporter to Syria. Russia does not want to lose what they have going there. So the US did what any corrupt, war machine having country would do..they created a boogeyman to go after, to give us a reason to finish the job that we started many years ago. Russia would not be wise to try and intervene. The might of the US and all of its allies, especially after last nights speech, well, Russia would stand no chance.

It is interesting that Syria considers USA as a bigger threat compared to ISIS.

Anyway airstrikes on ISIS will yield nothing positive. Most likely outcome is a swelling of ranks of ISIS on anti-West platform. This will make the problem larger.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Ah OK Thanks for the advice, I will keep it in mind should I run across hi again lol

a reply to: lostbook

It's a no-brainer for the CFR and the rest of the US establishment that not just Syria but Russia would not accept a US/NATO attack on Syria, and they would fire back.

They know it, and they're doing it on purpose, as provocation. If WW3 starts (if it ain't on already), it will be started by "us", and not Evil Dictator Putin.

...political finger-pointing aside, we are in a very dangerous situation and may be just a few days away from a global catastrophe of apocalyptic poportions. It's about time to end this madness. Though I don't know how I/we can do this... May be too late.

a reply to: Echtelion

It is impossible to end something People comply to. To bad the soldiers dont see what is happening, without them this would not happen.

a reply to: lostbook

The US should attack isis in Syria for its own sake.. but also they should do it to show the russians
that the US won't be dictated to, by Putin or anyone else.

if Putin thinks he can scare the West into doing nothing.. then Eastern Europe will be Invaded by the Dictator Putin.

Attack Syria now.

originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: lostbook

The US should attack isis in Syria for its own sake.. but also they should do it to show the russians
that the US won't be dictated to, by Putin or anyone else.

if Putin thinks he can scare the West into doing nothing.. then Eastern Europe will be Invaded by the Dictator Putin.

Attack Syria now.

Why should Putin let the US dictate?

Why do we want the US to dictate?

The US has been playing with fire with the ME for 14 years or so: Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc.

One day it's going to blow up into a regional conflict.

originally posted by: lostbook

But the statement brought a strong reaction from Russia, which has been an ally of embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Uh-oh, the Syrian government is warning the US not to attack ISIS in Syria; saying that it would be an act of aggression against Syria. Aw-man! This has to be the worst of the worst situation unfolding; almost a real life Kobayashi Maru test from Star Trek 2.

"The US president has spoken directly about the possibility of strikes by the US armed forces against Isil (IS) positions in Syria without the consent of the legitimate government," ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich was quoted as saying.

"This step, in the absence of a UN Security Council decision, would be an act of aggression, a gross violation of international law."

Syria also repeated its warning that the US had to co-ordinate with the Syrian government before launching air strikes on its territory.

"Any action of any kind without the consent of the Syrian government would be an attack on Syria," National Reconciliation Minister Ali Haidar said on Thursday.

To add to the mix of problems, Russia is getting involved in a big way.....Notice all of the Nuclear Missile Tests being done by Russia as of lately? And the ever increasing fiery rhetoric coming out of Russia towards the West? China is testing missiles and high powered Submarines, ISIS is daring the US to come after them. It seems to me that ISIS is being used to bait the US into conflict; other countries such as Russia, China, Iran, and N. Korea will use the opportunity to join in and attack. It may just be fear mongering but I smell a set up..What says ATS?

www.bbc.com...

That's not entirely true though.

The US is trying to solidify hegemony over the ME. That included the War in Iraq, knocking out Ghaddafi, funding and arming the Syrian civil war, and the constant diatribes against Iran. It so happens that not only were/are many of these regimes clients of Russia, but Russia too has a deep interest there.

The US' current goal is to knock out Assad, an ally of Iran and Russia. It's all about dominos. This is a proxy war. ISIS may be used as the needed justification to attack in Syria and finally lower Assad's capabilities, exactly what they wanted to do with the whole chemical weapons claim a year ago. This IS about Russia, amongst other things.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: lostbook

But the statement brought a strong reaction from Russia, which has been an ally of embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Uh-oh, the Syrian government is warning the US not to attack ISIS in Syria; saying that it would be an act of aggression against Syria. Aw-man! This has to be the worst of the worst situation unfolding; almost a real life Kobayashi Maru test from Star Trek 2.

"The US president has spoken directly about the possibility of strikes by the US armed forces against Isil (IS) positions in Syria without the consent of the legitimate government," ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich was quoted as saying.

"This step, in the absence of a UN Security Council decision, would be an act of aggression, a gross violation of international law."

Syria also repeated its warning that the US had to co-ordinate with the Syrian government before launching air strikes on its territory.

"Any action of any kind without the consent of the Syrian government would be an attack on Syria," National Reconciliation Minister Ali Haidar said on Thursday.

To add to the mix of problems, Russia is getting involved in a big way.....Notice all of the Nuclear Missile Tests being done by Russia as of lately? And the ever increasing fiery rhetoric coming out of Russia towards the West? China is testing missiles and high powered Submarines, ISIS is daring the US to come after them. It seems to me that ISIS is being used to bait the US into conflict; other countries such as Russia, China, Iran, and N. Korea will use the opportunity to join in and attack. It may just be fear mongering but I smell a set up..What says ATS?

www.bbc.com...

ISIS has nothing to do with Russia and China or Korea or Iran. It was built by the west for the west. All those countries the US was unable to invade due to too much opposition is now possible thanks to the terrible ISIS that is actually doing everything the west needs it to do to justify crashing the party.

Russia has every right to update it's nuclear arms. Did the US, France, UK, US, Israel suddenly give theirs up? No? Then Russia has every right to keep on keeping on.

originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: lostbook

The US should attack isis in Syria for its own sake.. but also they should do it to show the russians
that the US won't be dictated to, by Putin or anyone else.

if Putin thinks he can scare the West into doing nothing.. then Eastern Europe will be Invaded by the Dictator Putin.

Attack Syria now.

Um, typical 'Murican view. Do you not to realize that you are advocating exactly that which you are saying Putin will do? Do you not realize that 'Murica has invaded and attacked far more countries/entities in the ME than Russia has? The US is far more the aggressor in recent years than Russia.

Wake up and get out of "murica-zone.

originally posted by: ColCurious
a reply to: lostbook

Regardless what people think about ISIS, Syria, Russia, or the US/EU/NATO...

Strictly legally speaking - this statement is true:

"This step, in the absence of a UN Security Council decision, would be an act of aggression, a gross violation of international law."

International law is dead. We ALL are to blame.

It IS a violation of the UN Charter and international law. The US and Britain have been making a mockery of international law. We have zero standing to criticize anyone else's aggression or violations.

No, international law is not dead. The big guys need to actually follow it.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

No, international law is not dead. The big guys need to actually follow it.

If USA going to use force against Assad and Assad government representing Syria in UN, Russia should open the question about exclusion USA from UN.

Anyone who is saying the 'west' or the 'US' created ISIS is intentionally LYING.

ISIS, and their ideology comes from Saudi Arabia.

IT's called Sunni wahhabism.

Anyone doing a two second google search can find in quick order the real deal.

The Islamic State (IS; Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية‎ ad-Dawlah l-ʾIslāmiyyah), previously self-described as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL /ˈaɪsəl/), (Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام‎ ‒ acronym: داعش Daʿesh) and as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS /ˈaɪsɪs/),[a] is a Sunni jihadist group in the Middle East. In its self-proclaimed status as a caliphate, it claims religious authority over all Muslims across the world[65

en.wikipedia.org...

A WikiLeaks released memo from the United States Secretary of State sent in 2009 asserted that the primary source of funding of Sunni terrorist groups worldwide was Saudi Arabia

en.wikipedia.org...

I also suggest people READ this next article:

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, July 26 (UPI) -- The appointment of Prince Bandar bin Sultan as the head of Saudi Arabia's principal intelligence service is widely seen as a shift toward a more aggressive foreign policy as the kingdom struggles with challenges from Iran and Syria. Read more: www.upi.com...

The civil war in Syria, whose Alawite regime Saudi Arabia's Sunny monarchy has long plotted against, and the prospect of a war with Shiite Iran over its reported drive to acquire nuclear weapons, preoccupy Riyadh while, Abdallah, Canute-like, strives to keep the democratic wave from breaking on its shores. Read more: www.upi.com...

You do have to wonder how long the newly proposed bombing of ISIS will be carried out before it is obvious to everyone (who watches this stuff) it is just an excuse to hit Assad's forces and weaken their command and control. Sure some ISIS assets will be taken out but as many have already said in this thread the end goal/game is Assad gone.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

No, international law is not dead. The big guys need to actually follow it.

If USA going to use force against Assad and Assad government representing Syria in UN, Russia should open the question about exclusion USA from UN.

Can't, US is major funder and UN headquarters based here in NY.

However, I am 1000% for the ICC and UN holding all countries accountable. For example, we need Bush to be tried for war crimes. Until that happens, it's all hypocrisy. To have that happen, two things need to occur: The permanent status and veto ability of the P-5 on the Security Council needs to end, one, and two countries have to give the UN or the international community more teeth to counter the truly powerful countries.

originally posted by: lostbook

But the statement brought a strong reaction from Russia, which has been an ally of embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Uh-oh, the Syrian government is warning the US not to attack ISIS in Syria; saying that it would be an act of aggression against Syria. Aw-man! This has to be the worst of the worst situation unfolding; almost a real life Kobayashi Maru test from Star Trek 2.

"The US president has spoken directly about the possibility of strikes by the US armed forces against Isil (IS) positions in Syria without the consent of the legitimate government," ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich was quoted as saying.

"This step, in the absence of a UN Security Council decision, would be an act of aggression, a gross violation of international law."

Syria also repeated its warning that the US had to co-ordinate with the Syrian government before launching air strikes on its territory.

"Any action of any kind without the consent of the Syrian government would be an attack on Syria," National Reconciliation Minister Ali Haidar said on Thursday.

To add to the mix of problems, Russia is getting involved in a big way.....Notice all of the Nuclear Missile Tests being done by Russia as of lately? And the ever increasing fiery rhetoric coming out of Russia towards the West? China is testing missiles and high powered Submarines, ISIS is daring the US to come after them. It seems to me that ISIS is being used to bait the US into conflict; other countries such as Russia, China, Iran, and N. Korea will use the opportunity to join in and attack. It may just be fear mongering but I smell a set up..What says ATS?

www.bbc.com...

Reading the title of your thread... Do you see balance of power is shifting? Will we see that the 'king is naked' very soon?

Don't mind if you have no idea of what I am talking about. Button line: The king is naked for all to see. No more wars. Banksters doctrine Is dead the day it was borne.

cheers)

originally posted by: 727Sky
You do have to wonder how long the newly proposed bombing of ISIS will be carried out before it is obvious to everyone (who watches this stuff) it is just an excuse to hit Assad's forces and weaken their command and control. Sure some ISIS assets will be taken out but as many have already said in this thread the end goal/game is Assad gone.

ISIS does have some heavy weapons like tanks and artillery that have been taken from both Syrian and Iraqi forces. These can be taken out to weaken their abilities to fight Iraqi/Syrian armies.

However, it would be better if US goes through the UN approval before attacking ISIS in Syria. Otherwise, 1 misdirected bomb hitting Syrian armed forces and US will get a bad rap that it is using ISIS to attack Syrian forces.

Going through UN will also get lots more support and intelligence from Syria regarding when and where to hit.

Too bad, US asked its allies like Saudi and Qatar to help AQ against the Syrian government and suddenly a new group rose from the resources supplied by ME allies to FSA/AQ groups.

US should stop meddling in other countries affairs to change regimes. It does not work and has had repeated failure. Common civilians get hurt for the long term. This regime change modus operandi needs to STOP.

If anything Russia would try and bargain the Syria chip off the Ukraine chip.

I think Russia is smart enough to realize that they will have to deal with Isis soon enough in their own backyard

originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: lostbook

The US should attack isis in Syria for its own sake.. but also they should do it to show the russians
that the US won't be dictated to, by Putin or anyone else.

if Putin thinks he can scare the West into doing nothing.. then Eastern Europe will be Invaded by the Dictator Putin.

Attack Syria now.

Wow... So you're one of those select few with a room assigned in their deep underground bases?

Well just be careful on your way back out... There will be people waiting for you with submachine guns, in retalation for people like you promoting a nuclear holocaust. Wacko...

dn:

originally posted by: darkorange

originally posted by: lostbook

But the statement brought a strong reaction from Russia, which has been an ally of embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Uh-oh, the Syrian government is warning the US not to attack ISIS in Syria; saying that it would be an act of aggression against Syria. Aw-man! This has to be the worst of the worst situation unfolding; almost a real life Kobayashi Maru test from Star Trek 2.

"The US president has spoken directly about the possibility of strikes by the US armed forces against Isil (IS) positions in Syria without the consent of the legitimate government," ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich was quoted as saying.

"This step, in the absence of a UN Security Council decision, would be an act of aggression, a gross violation of international law."

Syria also repeated its warning that the US had to co-ordinate with the Syrian government before launching air strikes on its territory.

"Any action of any kind without the consent of the Syrian government would be an attack on Syria," National Reconciliation Minister Ali Haidar said on Thursday.

To add to the mix of problems, Russia is getting involved in a big way.....Notice all of the Nuclear Missile Tests being done by Russia as of lately? And the ever increasing fiery rhetoric coming out of Russia towards the West? China is testing missiles and high powered Submarines, ISIS is daring the US to come after them. It seems to me that ISIS is being used to bait the US into conflict; other countries such as Russia, China, Iran, and N. Korea will use the opportunity to join in and attack. It may just be fear mongering but I smell a set up..What says ATS?

www.bbc.com...

Reading the title of your thread... Do you see balance of power is shifting? Will we see that the 'king is naked' very soon?

Don't mind if you have no idea of what I am talking about. Button line: The king is naked for all to see. No more wars. Banksters doctrine Is dead the day it was borne.

cheers)

Yes, I do see the balance of power shifting. BRICS have already started the process by setting up a new currency to be run through a bank in India. China and Russia make strange bedfellows but they are teaming up in efforts to overcome the US power. It won't be immediate but over a period of several years; decades maybe. The power of the world is shifting East. It's in the infant stages now.

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: lostbook

The current Geopolitical situation is clear as day!

Everywhere there is significant conflict there is the west attempting to destabalize the areas that are independent of them and have association with Russia.

It is literally right out of Brzenski's The Grand Chessboard.

Russia is not the bad guy in this situation, sorry, no amount of propaganda can make this so. The only chance the rest of the world has in light of the elite of the west ruling the world is for a stand to be made, it is such a funny thing that it is the BRICS alliance that is bringing this about.

I honestly can not believe that anyone from U.S / EU can believe that their governments have their interests in mind and not their master banksters!

I love it how people try to make this about Russia you have to understand globally Russia is a minor player. When it comes to international politics countries dont concern themselves with Putins opinion hes proven to be a child playing in the big leagues. He threatens and brags about how tough Russia is knowing all the while the only teeth he has are nukes. And knowing if he were to use them Russia would cease to exist. China on the other hand understands geopolitical astoundingly well. They understand how to use money banks and purchases to influence globally. China will indeed eventually control the asia market Japan may be able to hold out but i doubt it. As far as destabilizing China also plays that well and im betting Russia is next China looks at things in the long run and they still want their land back from Russia. I think even Putin is starting to realize this thus hes starting to try to motivate Russians to move east because he realizes the same method hes using on Ukraine can be done easily by china. There is a chinese majority in the disputed territories.

This deal russia made with China is almost laughable Russia got a raw deal and to make matters worse is making it easy for China to expand into their territories. Well get back their territory from Russia is more acurate since Russia stole it from them. People think Chinese forget but they dont learned this on a couple of trips to China they hate Russians they are not a forgiving people.