Russia Warns US Against Strikes on ISIS in Syria

a reply to: thesmokingman

Considering all the recent failures in our own nuclear program let's just hope we use it to clean our own atomic house.

@kitz
Which sounds much better then IS is just the CIA looking for oil...

originally posted by: Thorneblood
a reply to: thesmokingman

Considering all the recent failures in our own nuclear program let's just hope we use it to clean our own atomic house.

What "failures" do you speak of?

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: thesmokingman
To quote Walter White from Breaking Bad: "I would suggest you tread lightly".Russia is/will be in the minority as far as this goes. Now I have said from the get go that ISIS is just a front to keep us entangled in never ending war, AND to get us into Syria, and eventually Iran. We tried like hell last year to get into syria and overthrow Assad, and China and Russia both protested that idea, and it did not happen. They have interests in Syria and are a huge arms/goods exporter to Syria. Russia does not want to lose what they have going there. So the US did what any corrupt, war machine having country would do..they created a boogeyman to go after, to give us a reason to finish the job that we started many years ago. Russia would not be wise to try and intervene. The might of the US and all of its allies, especially after last nights speech, well, Russia would stand no chance.

I was totally with you right up until the end.

I think the US has proven beyond a doubt over the last 70 years that they couldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight. They look tough in the movies but lets be real. What victories has the US had in the last 70 years. They run around the globe with their tail between their legs and get their asses handed to them every time. I bet Russia would love a go at them. The US however would not dare. See how they scurried out of Syria the first sign of Russians. They created ISIS to avoid further torment from Russia, and hope that Russia won't call the US out on it because they don't want to look like they tolerate terrorism.

Russia will find a way though. The US always loses. It is sort of their thing now.

Did you by chance see what the US did in WW2 to Japan? If that was 70 years ago, imagine what they are capable of now. I dont think the US is weak by any means. You may want to check into that.

You said yourself that Russia is testing nukes. So the US didn't do any more to Japan than Russia could do to the US.

If the aren't weak then they sure must enjoy fighting on their backs, belly up.

Just for the record, can you tell me where I said Russia is testing nukes? Go ahead, show me....I think you are mixing me up with another poster...As far as the other point, take a look how strategically placed the US is based all around the world. I am pretty sure in an all balls out nuke fest, the US can slam Russia a lot sooner than Russia could hit the US. And remember, it would not only be the US they have to deal with...there is a host of other country that will be helping out as well. So go ahead and show me where I said they were testing nukes....

Your right, I had you confused with the OP. Don't get all grandiose over it. My bad. As far as the whole nuke-fest scenario... really? Its called MAD. and it is not an option for anyone. If it were I would be more worried about psycho Israel than the US and Russia.

a reply to: thesmokingman

This covers it all rather nicely....
Nuclear problems

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: lostbook

But the statement brought a strong reaction from Russia, which has been an ally of embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Uh-oh, the Syrian government is warning the US not to attack ISIS in Syria; saying that it would be an act of aggression against Syria. Aw-man! This has to be the worst of the worst situation unfolding; almost a real life Kobayashi Maru test from Star Trek 2.

"The US president has spoken directly about the possibility of strikes by the US armed forces against Isil (IS) positions in Syria without the consent of the legitimate government," ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich was quoted as saying.

"This step, in the absence of a UN Security Council decision, would be an act of aggression, a gross violation of international law."

Syria also repeated its warning that the US had to co-ordinate with the Syrian government before launching air strikes on its territory.

"Any action of any kind without the consent of the Syrian government would be an attack on Syria," National Reconciliation Minister Ali Haidar said on Thursday.

To add to the mix of problems, Russia is getting involved in a big way.....Notice all of the Nuclear Missile Tests being done by Russia as of lately? And the ever increasing fiery rhetoric coming out of Russia towards the West? China is testing missiles and high powered Submarines, ISIS is daring the US to come after them. It seems to me that ISIS is being used to bait the US into conflict; other countries such as Russia, China, Iran, and N. Korea will use the opportunity to join in and attack. It may just be fear mongering but I smell a set up..What says ATS?

www.bbc.com...

ISIS has nothing to do with Russia and China or Korea or Iran. It was built by the west for the west. All those countries the US was unable to invade due to too much opposition is now possible thanks to the terrible ISIS that is actually doing everything the west needs it to do to justify crashing the party.

Russia has every right to update it's nuclear arms. Did the US, France, UK, US, Israel suddenly give theirs up? No? Then Russia has every right to keep on keeping on.

Well, this does tie-in to my ...."ISIS being used to bait the US into conflict..." line. Except that ISIS isn't the bait but the hook.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: FlySolo

Don't know who is what anymore

The simplest version:

Oil good, ISIS bad, Assad "Must go".

None of it makes any sense though. Russia needs Syria yet allows ISIS to overthrow the country. USA made or at least assisted ISIS which is bad for Russia but is now bad for USA and then Russia doesn't want USA to remove ISIS which is good for Syria. Its all nuts.

Neither Russia nor Syria can do anything but complain. Russia has enough problems and is pretty much helpless in that region and Syria is only slightly less helpless than Russia to do anything about it. Of course Russia and Assad do not want ISIS gone and the FSA/Kurds back strong. The last time the FSA was getting strong Assad and ISIS stopped fighting each other and ganged up on the FSA. This could happen again where Assad and ISIS have an unofficial ceasefire to deal with the FSA/Kurds. Of course US strikes would limit thier ability to work together again and Assad has to wary that ISIS as soon as ISIS was in a good position it turn on him last time. And while Assad can not trust his Army to fight thier former comrades in the FSA without defecting he can trust them to fight ISIS. So it will be hard choice for him.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: thesmokingman
To quote Walter White from Breaking Bad: "I would suggest you tread lightly".Russia is/will be in the minority as far as this goes. Now I have said from the get go that ISIS is just a front to keep us entangled in never ending war, AND to get us into Syria, and eventually Iran. We tried like hell last year to get into syria and overthrow Assad, and China and Russia both protested that idea, and it did not happen. They have interests in Syria and are a huge arms/goods exporter to Syria. Russia does not want to lose what they have going there. So the US did what any corrupt, war machine having country would do..they created a boogeyman to go after, to give us a reason to finish the job that we started many years ago. Russia would not be wise to try and intervene. The might of the US and all of its allies, especially after last nights speech, well, Russia would stand no chance.

I was totally with you right up until the end.

I think the US has proven beyond a doubt over the last 70 years that they couldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight. They look tough in the movies but lets be real. What victories has the US had in the last 70 years. They run around the globe with their tail between their legs and get their asses handed to them every time. I bet Russia would love a go at them. The US however would not dare. See how they scurried out of Syria the first sign of Russians. They created ISIS to avoid further torment from Russia, and hope that Russia won't call the US out on it because they don't want to look like they tolerate terrorism.

Russia will find a way though. The US always loses. It is sort of their thing now.

Did you by chance see what the US did in WW2 to Japan? If that was 70 years ago, imagine what they are capable of now. I dont think the US is weak by any means. You may want to check into that.

You said yourself that Russia is testing nukes. So the US didn't do any more to Japan than Russia could do to the US.

If the aren't weak then they sure must enjoy fighting on their backs, belly up.

Just for the record, can you tell me where I said Russia is testing nukes? Go ahead, show me....I think you are mixing me up with another poster...As far as the other point, take a look how strategically placed the US is based all around the world. I am pretty sure in an all balls out nuke fest, the US can slam Russia a lot sooner than Russia could hit the US. And remember, it would not only be the US they have to deal with...there is a host of other country that will be helping out as well. So go ahead and show me where I said they were testing nukes....

Your right, I had you confused with the OP. Don't get all grandiose over it. My bad. As far as the whole nuke-fest scenario... really? Its called MAD. and it is not an option for anyone. If it were I would be more worried about psycho Israel than the US and Russia.

Not being grandiose, just dont like having words put in my mouth, especially the way your coming across. Look, if you think the US is weak, thats your opinion, but the last time I checked, that could not be any further from the truth. Israel has nothing on the arsenal of the US.

originally posted by: Thorneblood
a reply to: thesmokingman

This covers it all rather nicely....
Nuclear problems

I see your link and raise you this:www.projectforthectbt.org...

Though the U.S. nuclear is aging, more is known about U.S nuclear weapons than ever before and confidence in the ability to maintain the warheads is increasing at a faster rate than the uncertainties. For instance, in 2006 the Department of Energy announced that studies by Lawrence Livermore and Los Alamos National Laboratories show that the plutonium primaries, or pits, of most U.S. nuclear weapons “will have minimum lifetimes of at last 85 years,” which is about twice as long as previous official estimates.

Over time, the reliability of existing warheads can be maintained by replacing non-nuclear parts that can be validated through non-nuclear testing and evaluation.

Contrary to the concerns of some CTBT skeptics, the cessation of nuclear explosion testing had not caused the weapons laboratories to lose technical competence. Rather, significant advances have been achieved as researchers were able to study the physics underlying weapon performance in greater depth, undistracted by the demands of a nuclear weapons test explosion program.

And this:nnsa.energy.gov...

a reply to: thesmokingman

Which seems to deal primarily with the bombs themselves, good to hear,but its the entire system that needs an overhaul. Much like every other government office its largely out of date and rife with corruption/incompetence.

a reply to: lostbook

Syria is allied with Russia. Japan is allied with the USA. I doubt the USA would standby as someone bombed Japan. Nor do I believe Russia will standby if the USA or it's allies bomb Syria. However, nuclear war, IMO ain't gonna happen...everyone has to much to lose unless there is a mess up/accident. However it would be responsible for Russia to arm Syria in a way that American fighters & bombers or drones are shot down. If the USA loses a few of their high dollar bombers and crews I have little doubt a new strategy will materialize.

In the mean time as I type this I hear on the radio the targets in Syria have already been picked..

What would you do if one of your friends or allies were being attacked ? Guess it is time to see just how tough both sides are. IMO Stupid for the USA to be involved as ISIS is a M.E. problem regardless of all their threats. Let Saudi Arabia and it's buddies in the region handle them.

originally posted by: Thorneblood
a reply to: thesmokingman

Which seems to deal primarily with the bombs themselves, good to hear,but its the entire system that needs an overhaul. Much like every other government office its largely out of date and rife with corruption/incompetence.

Yes, in the END, the bombs are what matter, and their reliability. I would bet my mortgage that the US nuclear program is much more up to date, and reliable than that of any country in the world, especially Russia.

originally posted by: Thorneblood
a reply to: thesmokingman

Which seems to deal primarily with the bombs themselves, good to hear,but its the entire system that needs an overhaul. Much like every other government office its largely out of date and rife with corruption/incompetence.

Theres also this:

However, the report qualifies this positive assessment, noting, “The security system was designed in the Soviet era to protect weapons primarily against a threat outside the country and may not be sufficient to meet today’s challenge of a knowledgeable insider collaborating with a criminal or terrorist group.”

www.armscontrol.org...

originally posted by: ColCurious
a reply to: lostbook

Regardless what people think about ISIS, Syria, Russia, or the US/EU/NATO...

Strictly legally speaking - this statement is true:

"This step, in the absence of a UN Security Council decision, would be an act of aggression, a gross violation of international law."

International law is dead. We ALL are to blame.

Yep and it doesn't matter whether ISIS are in Syria or not. You attack a sovereign nation, you have declared war regardless of your objectives.

a reply to: thesmokingman

How much is your mortgage, id hate to bankrupt you...
source

The Air Force is launching an ambitious campaign to repair flaws in its nuclear missile corps, after recent training failures, security missteps, leadership lapses, morale problems and stunning breakdowns in discipline prompted Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel to demand action to restore public confidence in the nuclear force.

Air Force leaders are planning to offer bonus pay to missile force members, fill gaps in their ranks, offer a nuclear service medal and put more money into modernizing what in some respects has become a decrepit Minuteman 3 missile force that few airmen want to join and even fewer view as a career-enhancing mission.

originally posted by: lostbook

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: lostbook

But the statement brought a strong reaction from Russia, which has been an ally of embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Uh-oh, the Syrian government is warning the US not to attack ISIS in Syria; saying that it would be an act of aggression against Syria. Aw-man! This has to be the worst of the worst situation unfolding; almost a real life Kobayashi Maru test from Star Trek 2.

"The US president has spoken directly about the possibility of strikes by the US armed forces against Isil (IS) positions in Syria without the consent of the legitimate government," ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich was quoted as saying.

"This step, in the absence of a UN Security Council decision, would be an act of aggression, a gross violation of international law."

Syria also repeated its warning that the US had to co-ordinate with the Syrian government before launching air strikes on its territory.

"Any action of any kind without the consent of the Syrian government would be an attack on Syria," National Reconciliation Minister Ali Haidar said on Thursday.

To add to the mix of problems, Russia is getting involved in a big way.....Notice all of the Nuclear Missile Tests being done by Russia as of lately? And the ever increasing fiery rhetoric coming out of Russia towards the West? China is testing missiles and high powered Submarines, ISIS is daring the US to come after them. It seems to me that ISIS is being used to bait the US into conflict; other countries such as Russia, China, Iran, and N. Korea will use the opportunity to join in and attack. It may just be fear mongering but I smell a set up..What says ATS?

www.bbc.com...

ISIS has nothing to do with Russia and China or Korea or Iran. It was built by the west for the west. All those countries the US was unable to invade due to too much opposition is now possible thanks to the terrible ISIS that is actually doing everything the west needs it to do to justify crashing the party.

Russia has every right to update it's nuclear arms. Did the US, France, UK, US, Israel suddenly give theirs up? No? Then Russia has every right to keep on keeping on.

Well, this does tie-in to my ...."ISIS being used to bait the US into conflict..." line. Except that ISIS isn't the bait but the hook.

Yeah, I was going to try and flip it but I got side tracked. ISIS is being used to play the US, it is not Russia or China or any government behind it. Not even the US government. [Insert your Ultimate global rulers here] are leading the US into this. Obama couldn't avoid it if he tried and tried he did.

To believe that ISIS is a grass-root organization or any type of organization not controlled by [Insert ultimate global rulers here] is like believing you are going to win the lottery on the day you retire.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: lostbook

But the statement brought a strong reaction from Russia, which has been an ally of embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Uh-oh, the Syrian government is warning the US not to attack ISIS in Syria; saying that it would be an act of aggression against Syria. Aw-man! This has to be the worst of the worst situation unfolding; almost a real life Kobayashi Maru test from Star Trek 2.

"The US president has spoken directly about the possibility of strikes by the US armed forces against Isil (IS) positions in Syria without the consent of the legitimate government," ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich was quoted as saying.

"This step, in the absence of a UN Security Council decision, would be an act of aggression, a gross violation of international law."

Syria also repeated its warning that the US had to co-ordinate with the Syrian government before launching air strikes on its territory.

"Any action of any kind without the consent of the Syrian government would be an attack on Syria," National Reconciliation Minister Ali Haidar said on Thursday.

To add to the mix of problems, Russia is getting involved in a big way.....Notice all of the Nuclear Missile Tests being done by Russia as of lately? And the ever increasing fiery rhetoric coming out of Russia towards the West? China is testing missiles and high powered Submarines, ISIS is daring the US to come after them. It seems to me that ISIS is being used to bait the US into conflict; other countries such as Russia, China, Iran, and N. Korea will use the opportunity to join in and attack. It may just be fear mongering but I smell a set up..What says ATS?

www.bbc.com...

ISIS has nothing to do with Russia and China or Korea or Iran. It was built by the west for the west. All those countries the US was unable to invade due to too much opposition is now possible thanks to the terrible ISIS that is actually doing everything the west needs it to do to justify crashing the party.

Russia has every right to update it's nuclear arms. Did the US, France, UK, US, Israel suddenly give theirs up? No? Then Russia has every right to keep on keeping on.

Hm.m.m.m..I gotta give it to you, you're a pretty smart baby...what are you? 3 or 4 yrs old? LoL!

originally posted by: Thorneblood
a reply to: thesmokingman

This covers it all rather nicely....
Nuclear problems

We the USA are up that famous creek.
And yep we do not have a paddle.

a reply to: grayghost

No we aren't, you are being melodramatic.

Worried about attack on the US? Stop supporting intervention in sovereign countries. That's why they hate us. Because we don't mind our own business. These leaders that the us says are doing wrong to their people. It is lies most of the time. The people those gov are fighting are the ones that are trying to overthrow them with force. What leader anywhere would not defend itself against rebels. Most of the time the rebels were trained and armed by the USA as well. They should hate the USA. At this point i do. I just can't wait till more are fed up and we can enforce the constitution and take it back. Until more are ready I'll just wait and expose what i can. a reply to: Thorneblood