Abbas turns down Egypt offer of “Palestinian” state in Sinai

a reply to: smithjustinb

Not really. Thousands of years, a completely different ethnicity Jew, land that may or may not be correct? Sorry, the Indians are still here not pointing at their land not pointing at a book that makes the claim for their land.

Also, you did a little selective quoting there. I said WOULD THEY HAVE BEEN. And it's not contemporary enough to compare.

You and I both know what you are saying is absurd but you are holding on tight.

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: guitarplayer

Also.. I wouldn't be as dramatic as to say they are shelling their cities, but whatever floats your boat.

Well. That's what your friends at Hamas do to Israel. So why not?

More ignorance. People who make posts like that are the problem on ATS. It's b.s. and it's stupid and just a quick cut on someone rather than actually discuss something.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: smithjustinb

Not really. Thousands of years, a completely different ethnicity Jew, land that may or may not be correct? Sorry, the Indians are still here not pointing at their land not pointing at a book that makes the claim for their land.

No. You said the native americans would be justified if they decided to send shells at America today to try to get back their land. That is what you said, despite the fact that Native Americans have not owned this land for hundreds of years. You said they would be justified which, in order to not contradict yourself, you would also have to say that the Jews were justified in the 1900s when they decided to take back land that belonged to their ancestors. That's a fact. If you disagree, you are contradicting yourself, plain and simple.

You and I both know what you are saying is absurd but you are holding on tight.

Yeah. Because I like to argue for the sake of arguing.

originally posted by: thov420
a reply to: howmuch4another

So it's bow to the Israeli demands or be bombed out of existence? Great options there.

Yes that is their option. Choose wisely.

a reply to: smithjustinb

The difference is they cannot justify taking that land back through their ancestors, it must be justified through the teachings of Judaism also and it isn't.

a reply to: smithjustinb
No, your gut feelings agree with what you said. Archaeology suggests what the record said.

Jericho Destroyed

He said three other lines of evidence converged to support his conclusion. A three-foot layer of ash, containing many pottery fragments and mud bricks from a wall

Destroy ignorance

The Israeli's did not take the land.

The big secret is they were given the land to get rid of them by the UK, US and France.

originally posted by: ANNED
The Israeli's did not take the land.

The big secret is they were given the land to get rid of them by the UK, US and France.

You are wrong...

In 1939, Great Britain reneged on the Balfour Declaration by issuing the White Paper, which stated that creating a Jewish state was no longer a British policy. It was also Great Britain's change in policy toward Palestine, especially the White Paper, that prevented millions of European Jews to escape from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine.

Source

a reply to: ken10

yep, and what would follow was likely because of that policy.

First I, ll say I have no dog in this fight. Personally I think they should all join together under one Democratic government with equal representation with separation of religion and state.

But..no matter which side is morally right.

If anyone's goal is for Israel to give up its government or land then your on a fools errand.

The Palestinians and anyone supporting them simply will never have the power in any form to defeat Israel, let alone all the power backing Israel both politically and militarily.

Even if you believe in Allah and pray every day, it ain't happening.

If Allah is real he has consistently shown that it is his will for Israel to win. If you believe Allah controls things here on Earth it is OBVIOUS that it is his will for Israel to exist because it does.. It is Obvious that those opposing Israel are also opposing Allah's will.

Why is it obvious? Well again if you believe Allah's will is what makes stuff happen here on earth then Allah has willed Israel to exist and for those who oppose Israel to lose horribly. Allah has willed Israel to be powerful and to have the most powerful allies Allah has ever willed to exist on this planet.

To not accept this means your admitting Israel and it's allies can deny Allah's will or you are in denial of your own beliefs and reality.

Ultimately if they keep fighting an obviously overwhelming foe many thousands more of them will die compared to minimal losses to Israel and Israel allies.

If they want a Palestinian State they should accept Egypt generous offer and go live in peace. Once they establish a peaceful society, perhaps then they can go live in harmony with Israel in those coveted lands.

originally posted by: thov420
Imagine that, offered a piece of land that isn't your homeland and saying no? How about Israel give the Palestinians their own homeland, I bet they would say yes. Being from MN, If I was forced out and given a piece of WI or IA and told to accept it or die I know what my choice would be. F off, period. How about we let them have their own land instead of trying to appease them with others land?

How about we give your land back to the native americans.

You say it yourself, you are from MN regardless of the history that brought about the state of MN. So too is the issue in isreal. Most who now live in isreal were born there. It is their homeland now.

*should have caught up with thread beforr ppsting since this point has been made ad nauseam

Why not put it to a vote to the Palestinian people to stay or accept the deal? I'll bet the majority want to go to a place where they can live in peace. It would be a modern day exodus. It's happened countless times over the millenia. Hell, we made the native Americans leave their ancestral lands and put them in reservations. All you Palestinian bleeding hearts here in the US, why don't you give your land to a native American. They were here long before us and it is rightfully theirs.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: buster2010

Yea that's true... and they also have repeatedly overlooked it happening...

If your on the "right" side of things the international community doesn't mind you taking land by force...especially if it was taken after you were attacked.

You seem to overlook that most of the time it was Israel that did the attacking. In 48 they started ethnic cleansing the land before the Arab armies attacked them and in 67 they started the war when they bombed the Egyptian airfields. The world constantly overlooks Israels illegals actions because if anyone points them out they start crying about the holocaust.

originally posted by: Xeven
First I, ll say I have no dog in this fight. Personally I think they should all join together under one Democratic government with equal representation with separation of religion and state.

It's never going to happen if we look at the situation seriously.

If anyone's goal is for Israel to give up its government or land then your on a fools errand.

The Palestinians and anyone supporting them simply will never have the power in any form to defeat Israel, let alone all the power backing Israel both politically and militarily.

Well you may well be right but I think Iran could deal Israel a major blow if they wanted too..

Even if you believe in Allah and pray every day, it ain't happening.

If Allah is real he has consistently shown that it is his will for Israel to win. If you believe Allah controls things here on Earth it is OBVIOUS that it is his will for Israel to exist because it does.. It is Obvious that those opposing Israel are also opposing Allah's will.

Well yeah, this Israel is the test to the Jews... It's one they are failing also. Allah said he was going to send an entity to test them, of course it's his will.

Why is it obvious? Well again if you believe Allah's will is what makes stuff happen here on earth then Allah has willed Israel to exist and for those who oppose Israel to lose horribly. Allah has willed Israel to be powerful and to have the most powerful allies Allah has ever willed to exist on this planet.

Yes, and it's Allah's will to punish also especially if the Jews fail the test that has been sent to them.

To not accept this means your admitting Israel and it's allies can deny Allah's will or you are in denial of your own beliefs and reality.

No, it is well accepted that Israel is here and cannot be moved but the regime in Israel can and will eventually be moved according to Allah.

Ultimately if they keep fighting an obviously overwhelming foe many thousands more of them will die compared to minimal losses to Israel and Israel allies.

Well, so be it.. But this will not end until the Messiah is ruling from Jerusalem and currently the Messiah is not ruling from Jerusalem.. So Israel is going to face trials and tribulations whether we like/dislike - agree/disagree.

If they want a Palestinian State they should accept Egypt generous offer and go live in peace. Once they establish a peaceful society, perhaps then they can go live in harmony with Israel in those coveted lands.

They will never live in peace with a bunch of thugs in control of Israel. Walking away from the Zionists is like running away from the devil if you understand what I mean.

I'd be curious why Palestinians can't have a state of their own in Palestine, because...you know...

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: smithjustinb

The difference is they cannot justify taking that land back through their ancestors, it must be justified through the teachings of Judaism also and it isn't.

Well that and they would actually have to prove that the people that lived back then were actually their ancestors which none of them can.

originally posted by: DarknStormy

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: samsamm9

A small percentage of the so called 'palestinians' are descendants of the peoples who have lived in Palestine over the centuries.... the rest are just like Mr Spad explained, they are basically descendants of refugees.

Its funny how the only argument anti-zionists end up leaning on is the claim that Jews aren't Jews... lol... and they claim they are not anti-semitic. Laughable.

Know what is laughable? You pull the Anti-Semite trick out yet Palestinians are likely more Semite than most Jews in Israel.

Dont play semantics.....beacause according to you they are not really Jews... classic anti-semitism.

a reply to: combatmaster

Semantics seem quite important in this case.

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: combatmaster

Semantics seem quite important in this case.

You wanna talk semantics?

Analyze the word 'palestinian', see where that takes you....
heres a hint... it has nothing to do with the arabs who live in gaza today!

originally posted by: combatmaster

originally posted by: DarknStormy

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: samsamm9

A small percentage of the so called 'palestinians' are descendants of the peoples who have lived in Palestine over the centuries.... the rest are just like Mr Spad explained, they are basically descendants of refugees.

Its funny how the only argument anti-zionists end up leaning on is the claim that Jews aren't Jews... lol... and they claim they are not anti-semitic. Laughable.

Know what is laughable? You pull the Anti-Semite trick out yet Palestinians are likely more Semite than most Jews in Israel.

Dont play semantics.....beacause according to you they are not really Jews... classic anti-semitism.

You mean like the Anti-Semitism you and the other Israel supporters spout? How times have they said they have no rights to the land because it was the "Jews" homeland? That Anti-Semitism as well.