Pennsylvania mother who gave daughter abortion pill gets prison

originally posted by: intrepid
BS. 74 miles is a short bus ride.

Round trip, for two people, st least TWICE. Plus missed wages. It adds up pretty fast.

Ordering drugs from other countries is actually very safe and legal, if you research first.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Annee

OK. Let's break this down. Are you a parent? That will make this easier for me to explain to you.

Are you?

I'm a grandparent.

First pregnancy spontaneous abortion at 4 months.

2nd and 3rd pregnancy both daughters.

4th pregnancy abortion. Married, husband's, going through divorce.

Daughters pregnancy with now 21 year old grandson. She just broke off 7 year relationship with man she met in church camp. And was between jobs. She had 24 hours to be sewn shut or abort.

There's more, but I don't think we need it.


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YES! Please "break it down".

a reply to: ICallGhosts

Finally someone takes not of what i said. lol

Thank you.

originally posted by: intrepid
Safe? Unregulated, unknown substances are safe?

RU-486 is known and tested. You don't even need a prescription.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: intrepid
Safe? Unregulated, unknown substances are safe?

RU-486 is known and tested. You don't even need a prescription.

And septic shock and death from retained products of conception because your mom was an idiot is safe how?

There is a reason why other countries such as Australia require this drug only to be administered by a physician. This is not an evil right wing American conspiracy but standard of care in many western and enlightened countries.


ETA an Australian article:

The TGA says only those doctors who have undertaken a training program and who have been registered by Marie Stopes will be able to prescribe the drug.

RU486 is a drug that terminates a pregnancy and is used in combination with another drug misopristol that prompts contractions of the uterus.

When used together these medicines cause a medical abortion of a foetus within two days.

The drugs are usually used in the first 49 days after conception and have been used for over 20 years in a number of countries.

Like a surgical abortion RU486 comes with a number of risks with the greatest problem being that in between 2 and 7 per cent of cases the drug does not complete the abortion.

That is why the medicine will carry a ''black box'' warning on the packet requiring patients have a follow-up appointment with a doctor 14-21 days after using it.

Common adverse effects of the drug include nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, heavy vaginal bleeding, severe haemorrhage and endometriosis.

Since it began use in Australia there have been 792 reports of adverse events reported to the TGA with 579 reports citing retained products of conception and 126 ongoing pregnancy.

Other rare adverse events included significant haemorrhage, uterine perforation.

www.dailytelegraph.com.au... y9-1226461657252?nk=6792d3c85725f28ddd755f2040442d7f

I guess the Republican party controls Australia too.

a reply to: Annee

Yes I am. 3 adult kids. None died. There's a surprise. And 1 thing I'd NEVER do is attempt to administer drugs to my kids that came in the mail. I don't even trust my doctors. That's why I have a pharmacist that make sure there's no bad reactions. But hey, if online agenda driven crapola is what YOU want to give to your kids, go for it.

originally posted by: intrepid
I'd NEVER do is attempt to administer drugs to my kids that came in the mail.

Something you would never have need to consider if there was LOCAL access.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: intrepid
I'd NEVER do is attempt to administer drugs to my kids that came in the mail.

Something you would never have need to consider if there was LOCAL access.

That's not an answer. Would you administer a drug you got in the mail to your grandkid?

a reply to: NavyDoc

I'm not saying I would do it. My point is that women should not have to go through all these hoops to get a safe, legal abortion. And yes, it's the religious right who have imposed this on women all over the country. They want to control women and their bodies and I'm standing up and saying NO! It's not for religion to decide what I do with my body.

This mother should be punished for disobeying the law, but she should have the choice to get her daughter an abortion SAFELY. Not by ordering drugs over the internet, but by visiting a local clinic, which, thanks to the religious right, there ARE NONE. That's why I say you don't know the details. There are no clinics nearby.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: intrepid
I'd NEVER do is attempt to administer drugs to my kids that came in the mail.

Something you would never have need to consider if there was LOCAL access.

That's not an answer. Would you administer a drug you got in the mail to your grandkid?

Not an answer?

There would be NO QUESTION if this woman/teen had access to LOCAL help.

originally posted by: intrepid
Would you administer a drug you got in the mail to your grandkid?

I would not. I can afford to drive the 75 miles, three or four times. I don't have to work. I'm VERY fortunate. But there are millions of people who don't have the means to take off work and travel to get safe medical care. Millions!

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: intrepid
I'd NEVER do is attempt to administer drugs to my kids that came in the mail.

Something you would never have need to consider if there was LOCAL access.

That's not an answer. Would you administer a drug you got in the mail to your grandkid?

Not an answer?

There would be NO QUESTION if this woman/teen had access to LOCAL help.

Are you saying "YES" I would administer this to my grand/child?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: NavyDoc

I'm not saying I would do it. My point is that women should not have to go through all these hoops to get a safe, legal abortion. And yes, it's the religious right who have imposed this on women all over the country. They want to control women and their bodies and I'm standing up and saying NO! It's not for religion to decide what I do with my body.

This mother should be punished for disobeying the law, but she should have the choice to get her daughter an abortion SAFELY. Not by ordering drugs over the internet, but by visiting a local clinic, which, thanks to the religious right, there ARE NONE. That's why I say you don't know the details. There are no clinics nearby.

And my nearest neurosurgeon is about 74 miles away. I guess I should order some equipment online and do my own kid's brain surgery?

One issue with the closure of many of those clinics is that due to the political nature of the subject, many were exempted from the medical standards that clinics that perform procedures of similar invasiveness had to stand up to. What a lot of these rules, inspired by anti-abortion or not, was to bring them up to the same standards of care other clinics had to work under. It was the politics that made clinics that did not meet SOC available and that is the loophole that justified the closures--meet the standards that everyone else has to or close.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: intrepid
I'd NEVER do is attempt to administer drugs to my kids that came in the mail.

Something you would never have need to consider if there was LOCAL access.

That's not an answer. Would you administer a drug you got in the mail to your grandkid?

The answer is, if I and my grandkid are desperate enough, then - yes. That's what happens when you take away access to legal, safe abortion. You get desperate acts.

originally posted by: NavyDoc
And my nearest neurosurgeon is about 74 miles away. I guess I should order some equipment online and do my own kid's brain surgery?

I have NOT ONCE defended the mother's actions. If that's all you have, then don't bother. I said she should be punished. What she did was dangerous. But the laws in the state are draconian.

I have taken drugs I ordered online, by the way.

a reply to: kaylaluv

You would administer untested, untrusted drugs? Why not just some MDMA?

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: kaylaluv

You would administer untested, untrusted drugs?

RU-486 is NOT untested or untrusted!

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: kaylaluv

You would administer untested, untrusted drugs?

RU-486 is NOT untested or untrusted!

*sighs*

Through the mail, courier. Are you SURE what you bought is what you GOT. I know what I got from my pharmacist. See the difference?

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: kaylaluv

You would administer untested, untrusted drugs?

RU-486 is NOT untested or untrusted!

*sighs*

Through the mail, courier. Are you SURE what you bought is what you GOT. I know what I got from my pharmacist. See the difference?

How do you know for sure what you got from your pharmacist? Pharmacists NEVER make mistakes? I once got some bioidentical estrogen cream from a pharmacist, and he screwed up the percentages. When I had all kinds of side effects, I took it back - he analyzed it and admitted that it wasn't the right dosage.

a reply to: NavyDoc

That's what's happened in Texas, new construction standards which left everything but ambulatory clinics available, 6 in one of the largest states in the USA. Unfortunately policies can be superceeded by religiously backed politicians looking for reelection. Now it wouldn't surprise me if some women drive to Mexico to have an abortion, the same was true with the drug Ibogaine which cures addiction quickly and painlessly.
I'm not advocating we need to put a clinic in every town but there should be a safteynet in place to make sure those in need don't resort to dangerous, rash decisions. This is a situation that comes with a ticking clock attached.