Pennsylvania mother who gave daughter abortion pill gets prison

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: Annee

You call it a worthless clump of cells to justify having an abortion, but if your jealous husband were to cause you to miscarry your daughter by throwing you down a flight of stairs, then all of a sudden that worthless clump of cells becomes a precious little life.

See why I'm so confused?

It is basically a parasite, a clump of cells -- with the potential to become a living human.

If you choose to see the potential living human as your daughter to be, you are making that choice.

You can also choose not to give it identity and see it as a clump of cells.

My first pregnancy at age 21 was a 4th month spontaneous abortion. I had no choice.

I had 2 daughters following that. That was by choice.

After that I had an elective abortion. I chose the welfare of my 2 living children. They took priority over a clump of cells. I had an illness. I was going through a divorce. I had been a stay at home mom, I had no job and no income. I do not regret that choice. I would make the same choice again under the same circumstance.

N/M

Don't wanna get into the thread drift.

originally posted by: Bone75
One minute its a precious little living being growing inside of you, and the next its just a worthless clump of parasitic cells. I just don't get it.

It is both. And I know you just don't get it. But choice is about freedom, autonomy, and personal responsibility. I may want to do things one way, but that doesn't mean it's "RIGHT" for everyone.

Supporting Fred Phelps' right to protest, even though I wouldn't do the same is what REAL freedom is about. Supporting the right for each woman to choose (even though my choice is obvious to me) is what freedom is. Freedom to make choices about my body, and respecting others' freedom to make choices about theirs.

I'm sorry you don't get that.

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: Annee

You call it a worthless clump of cells to justify having an abortion, but if your jealous husband were to cause you to miscarry your daughter by throwing you down a flight of stairs, then all of a sudden that worthless clump of cells becomes a precious little life.

See why I'm so confused? Well actually I'm not. I understand completely what's going on here, but for the sake of argument let's just keep pretending I'm confused.

Maybe you can help me out with something that has always confused me. Conservatives often whine that they have no problem donating money to charities to help the poor, but they hate the government taking their money in the form of taxes, that goes to help the poor. What's the difference? Money going to the poor is money going to the poor, right?

a reply to: kaylaluv

Sorry I can't help you with that one because I don't think I would fit your definition of a conservative. I want to remove currency altogether, along with 95% of your excuses for killing your babies.

originally posted by: Bone75
I want to remove currency altogether, along with all your excuses for killing your babies.

ALL the excuses? Like rape, incest and the life of the mother?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Fixed it for you. Self defense should be the ONLY exception... just like every other murder.

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Fixed it for you. Self defense should be the ONLY exception... just like every other murder.

It is your choice to choose to have this belief.

originally posted by: Bone75
Self defense should be the ONLY exception... just like every other murder.

So, if a 13-year-old girl is raped by her father, and becomes pregnant, she should be forced to carry and bear that child under penalty of law. Ok. What should the penalty be if she aborts it? Life in prison? Death penalty? If it's murder...

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: kaylaluv

Sorry I can't help you with that one because I don't think I would fit your definition of a conservative. I want to remove currency altogether, along with 95% of your excuses for killing your babies.

Well I want 95 percent of your income (currency or whatever) to go to the government to benefit all of us. You good with that?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

So, if a 13-year-old girl is raped by her father, and becomes pregnant, she should be forced to carry and bear that child under penalty of law.

Yes she should. Is she allowed to kill her father for raping her? No she isn't, and she shouldn't be able to kill a child that did nothing to her either. I'd be all for castrating her father though.

What should the penalty be if she aborts it? Life in prison? Death penalty? If it's murder...

The same penalty she'd get if she were to sneak in her father's room that night and slit his throat, juvenile detention until she's 18, just like every other juvenile killer.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

So, if a 13-year-old girl is raped by her father, and becomes pregnant, she should be forced to carry and bear that child under penalty of law.

Yes she should. Is she allowed to kill her father for raping her? No she isn't, and she shouldn't be able to kill a child that did nothing to her either. I'd be all for castrating her father though.

The potential to become a living being is NOT a living being.

Murder involves a living being.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: kaylaluv

Sorry I can't help you with that one because I don't think I would fit your definition of a conservative. I want to remove currency altogether, along with 95% of your excuses for killing your babies.

Well I want 95 percent of your income (currency or whatever) to go to the government to benefit all of us. You good with that?

Give me a job and a home close to my kids and family along with all of the things I use my money to buy, then you can keep 100% of it.

a reply to: Annee

YOUR belief. Not mine.

You can't kill something if it isn't living.

In order to legally perform an abortion, you have to kill it first, otherwise it would be murder even under current laws.

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: Annee

YOUR belief. Not mine.

You can't kill something if it isn't living.

Yes. I do not agree with your belief.

As I believe everything is energy, and physical doesn't really exist --- but is a thought creation --- the soul energy is eternal and unharmed.

The potential living physical being is not required.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: kaylaluv

Sorry I can't help you with that one because I don't think I would fit your definition of a conservative. I want to remove currency altogether, along with 95% of your excuses for killing your babies.

Well I want 95 percent of your income (currency or whatever) to go to the government to benefit all of us. You good with that?

Give me a job and a home close to my kids and family along with all of the things I use my money to buy, then you can keep 100% of it.

Nope. Doesn't work that way. You get what the gov deems right for you - for all of us.

a reply to: Annee

Then what gives your flesh and bones any more value in this world than the one you aborted? Why do you have a right to live your life, but he/she didn't?

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: kaylaluv

Sorry I can't help you with that one because I don't think I would fit your definition of a conservative. I want to remove currency altogether, along with 95% of your excuses for killing your babies.

Well I want 95 percent of your income (currency or whatever) to go to the government to benefit all of us. You good with that?

Give me a job and a home close to my kids and family along with all of the things I use my money to buy, then you can keep 100% of it.

Nope. Doesn't work that way. You get what the gov deems right for you - for all of us.

Funny how being part of a society works.

300+ million people in America. Not the easiest thing making sure everyone has a voice.

a reply to: kaylaluv

If we were in control of our government like we're supposed to be rather than the bankers, then that would be a good thing.