Russian strategic bombers near Canada practice cruise missile strikes on US

a reply to: Hijinx

This isn't the reemergence of the old cold war. It never ended. It is the cold war heating up... There is a difference, soon you'll understand it.

Hopefully, you will never need to know what is actually going on, or how serious the threats are...

imo

a reply to: ausername

I wasn't even going to reply. You're reiterating what I just said, and your dramatic effect is lost.

a reply to: Hijinx

lol, you are correct, my apologies. I.must have read it wrong or responded to the wrong post. Too many tabs, too much coffee.

a reply to: kitzik

Thank you for your reply. All I can tell you is that I feel something wicked this way comes.

a reply to: GargIndia

When the news says - practice firing - what does it mean? Did the plane fire practice rounds? I think the news is misleading.

A Russian equivalent of USAF's Red Flag exercises is called AviaDarts. These started only couple of years ago. However, in these exercises, Russians do not allow use of precision weapons. In their books, in the ultimate wars, the precision weapons guidance apparatus will be taken out in the first few minutes i.e. the space satellites and GPS type systems hence raw bombing will be the way to go and would be a better way to judge pilot's skills.

Similarly for these patrols, practicing firing of cruise missiles would not make much sense............other than to send some political message. How much do these flights costs? $10-20K in aviation gas alone probably and not accounting the wear and tear on the machine. Ball park $50K cost still accounts for lots of goodies that can be obtained for the Russian army. 100 full body armors for example. Russians can do these in much "tough" environment of bad weather, sudden route plus other variable changes, under various types of attack etc. in the simulators.

Kremlin is trying to send some message here that if US/West wants to play cold war then Kremlin will walk along them step for step.



ps: AVIADARTS is not exactly Red Flag type massive air armada attack and defense and lots of dogfights. But it is more of ariel gunnery, bombing, navigation type gaming. Am sure Russian equivalent of Red Flags are soon coming as Ruskies sure do like/try to match up to the Americans in many ways.

a reply to: victor7

A Russian equivalent of USAF's Red Flag exercises is called AviaDarts. These started only couple of years ago. However, in these exercises, Russians do not allow use of precision weapons. In their books, in the ultimate wars, the precision weapons guidance apparatus will be taken out in the first few minutes i.e. the space satellites and GPS type systems hence raw bombing will be the way to go and would be a better way to judge pilot's skills.

Thank you! I will forward this information to the DCI immediately!

a reply to: DJW001

what's DCI ? Department of ..............

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: DJW001

what's DCI ? Department of ..............

Director of Central Intelligence. Know thy enemy.

a reply to: DJW001

Spare yourself some efforts. The DCI knows probably everyone who took part in the Aviadarts including their grandnannies.

Regarding folks on the ATS discussions, the glorious NSA knows everything about them including the photographs.
Computers are a mean science. Will give alot of comforts but also take somethings...............like privacy.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: DJW001

Spare yourself some efforts. The DCI knows probably everyone who took part in the Aviadarts including their grandnannies.

Regarding folks on the ATS discussions, the glorious NSA knows everything about them including the photographs.
Computers are a mean science. Will give alot of comforts but also take somethings...............like privacy.

Lighten up: it was a joke.

a reply to: DJW001

I know that........but NSA is no joke. Everytime a target party even uses their electronic car keys or garage opener, the Mighty NSA probably has the ability to scan the curcuit codes from the cell phone on that person.

originally posted by: ausername

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: gatorboi117

This IS nothing.

Except that tensions are arguably higher than they have been in decades.

Fighters also buzzed the Canadians recently as well. I'm sure you think this is all nothing... So, let's hope you're right and enjoy oblivion while it lasts.

What do you mean buzzed the Canadians. If you mean a Canadian ship at sea, then such things are routine.

A serious incident would be if Russians are flying in Canadian airspace. Did that happen?

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: DJW001

I know that........but NSA is no joke. Everytime a target party even uses their electronic car keys or garage opener, the Mighty NSA probably has the ability to scan the curcuit codes from the cell phone on that person.

NSA has the ability to monitor only those countries that cooperate with it. Russians must be careful with Western Europe.

Russia should work with China to find ways to neutralize NSA.

originally posted by: GargIndia
A serious incident would be if Russians are flying in Canadian airspace. Did that happen?

Yep.

Last month, at least 16 bomber incursions by the Russians took place within the northwestern U.S. and Canadian air defense zones over a period 10 days.

freebeacon.com...

While the ADIZ is not considered territorial airspace, it is controlled airspace. Both sides play this game. I don't think it's a "serious incident", but it's happening.

a reply to: _Del_

What is air-defense zone. These are arbitrary.

And if you are correct, then why this plane is not shot down?

a reply to: _Del_

Btw Del, would you be able to tell what benefit the opposing parties get from these "stupid incursions" and teasing the AD radars etc. Especially in Russia's case, even if 1 flight from Vladivostok to Alaska costs $5K that is lots of money. Might spend them in buying advanced safety goggles for the infantry troops.

a reply to: GargIndia

NSA has the ability to monitor only those countries that cooperate with it.

ROFLMAO!!! Seriously... you need to get out more.

a reply to: victor7

Yes, it's called "training". If you do have to go to war, then learning how to fire those cruise missiles for real is a horrible time to learn.

As for why they weren't shot down, because they weren't a threat.

originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: _Del_

What is air-defense zone. These are arbitrary.

And if you are correct, then why this plane is not shot down?

An ADIZ is where aircraft entering the zone are required to make contact with the controlling nation and log their presence in the zone.

All countries have them for the most part.

Most recently China has established an ADIZ over a large chunk of the South China Sea, overlapping territory controlled by other nations, most notably Japan.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: _Del_

Btw Del, would you be able to tell what benefit the opposing parties get from these "stupid incursions" and teasing the AD radars etc.

Mostly ELINT these days. What frequencies the air defense radars are using, same for comms, so maybe if you have to do it for real you've got a head start on jamming them. You can learn bout how they react and how long it takes them to notice and then to come up to visit, etc, etc.