Report: The 'Sovereign Citizen Movement' is The Greatest Threat To American Security

a reply to: smithjustinb

Never said that you said it was Ferguson though I'm fairly certain that you got that specific idea based on what occurred in Ferguson as that was a fairly recent event. I was responding to exactly what you said. To refresh your own memory, here's exactly what you said in terms of the context of the photo:

Liberals vote for more government and then when they're getting pepper sprayed in the face for breaking "curfew" laws and other liberal nonsense over regulation

The protest depicted had jack to do with "big government". It's governmental aspect actually was corporate corruption of said big government and its fruits--the massive bailout that the banks received. Apparently "symbolic" picture for you is anything that you can misrepresent to make it seem like it supports your view. That's not the definition of symbolic. Your "symbolism" failed to represent what you wanted. Get over it.

a reply to: LDragonFire

I second the statement. This is what happens when the Govt goes too far and over reaches in its power grab.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
They tie up the court system with stacks of frivolous, nonsensical paperwork. People that actually need their day in court have to wait whilst the justice system sorts through all the garbage these people throw at them.

Usually they're desperate people, being sold a scam "get out of taxes/jail" scheme. If whatever they are trying actually worked, the richest people and corporations in the USA would be using their secret tricks to get out of paying taxes.

A lot of them owe the IRS a lot of money, have back child support, or are locked in jail. If they don't want to pay taxes -- fine, move to another country. Roads don't pave themselves for free, and firefighters and EMT's don't work for free either.

This. In addition they try to steal by putting "liens" on other people's property.

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: LDragonFire

I second the statement. This is what happens when the Govt goes too far and over reaches in its power grab.

The opinions for this thread is based on a survey of the police, this is there views on the greatest terrorist threats.

I think the biggest threats to us is corporate food, corporate medicine, and the police, then citizens united, and both republican and democrat parties....

a reply to: NavyDoc

Correct. They'll put liens against judges and LEO's that they don't like -- usually because they've been convinced by the court system or *they* think they've been wronged.

In some states, it is now a felony offense to file bogus liens against other people.

Oh, and you can't file a lien against yourself to get out of paying other people your financial obligations ...

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I think there is a ton of fraud related to this group, fake checks and such. They never appealed to me, there battle flag theories in courts appealed to me but after research I didn't find much validity in there arguments.

a reply to: LDragonFire

Usually its a case of 25% truth and 75% BS. Some of them seem to sprinkle in just enough truth to make it seem like they know what they are talking about.

If they are relentless and aggressive enough, they all usually end up in jail sooner or later for tax evasion/fraud.

There's nothing wrong about wanting freedom and upholding the Constitution as it was written -- but this way just isn't it.

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: LDragonFire

I second the statement. This is what happens when the Govt goes too far and over reaches in its power grab.

I'm not going to argue with you on this point, I agree with you.

Since 2011 3 groups also agree with you, Occupy Wall Street, the Bundy Ranch, and Ferguson all rose up in protest against overreaching government, corruption. When will all these separate groups realize they are against the same government?

a reply to: LDragonFire

I always thought it was ironic that OWS and the Tea Party were essentially fighting for the same thing, just at opposite ends of the scale.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: LDragonFire

I always thought it was ironic that OWS and the Tea Party were essentially fighting for the same thing, just at opposite ends of the scale.

Same here, but really OWS just wanted to raise hell and they didn't organize any kind of voter movement, at least the Tea Party was focused on making changes where it mattered...at the voter box.

a reply to: LDragonFire

So the American gov't drastically and radically increases privacy and constitutional rights violations and the people who point that out and say no more! are the terrorists. Sounds about right with these cretins in power. At least they consistently get it wrong.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

True statement. Regarding taxes, as I alluded to earlier, there are smarter and better ways to protest against them. One say, might be able to survive below the filling threshold ($10,000) they do not have to pay. Also, I am not sure many people are aware of this, it is income that is taxed, not goods. So let's say you are being hired by a decent sized company and are negotiation over your salary, it might be worth it, and cheaper for the company, to have the company pay for your place of residence plus utilities with an additional annual salary $1 below the filling threshold.

a reply to: LDragonFire

All are thriving where the Govt is corrupt.

The corrupt Govt is the issue.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
They tie up the court system with stacks of frivolous, nonsensical paperwork. People that actually need their day in court have to wait whilst the justice system sorts through all the garbage these people throw at them.

Usually they're desperate people, being sold a scam "get out of taxes/jail" scheme. If whatever they are trying actually worked, the richest people and corporations in the USA would be using their secret tricks to get out of paying taxes.

A lot of them owe the IRS a lot of money, have back child support, or are locked in jail. If they don't want to pay taxes -- fine, move to another country. Roads don't pave themselves for free, and firefighters and EMT's don't work for free either.

This. In addition they try to steal by putting "liens" on other people's property.

Ok I've read through comments from men here who are against the idea of challenging the lawfulness of government.

###SNIPPED###

The Roman Catholic Church had decent white folks enlaved for over 1000 years.
Then protestants broke free and said we do not want to live subject to authority of anyone but god.
Then these protestants were persecuted and fled to the new world .

And they founded America.

Then the catholic church followed them, through Jesuitical freemasonry. And corrupted the weak men. The morally challenged were enticed into the same kiddy fiddling satanic worship as the Roman priests who had been enslaving them for over 1000 years.

And they betrayed their brothers.

Helped to build a masonic lodge in every town. Cast their spells over the people. Actual witchcraft that works.
While they undermined people's freedom via their new invention the police. Invented in the late 1800s.
Long after the rewvolution. A masonic invention.
Then undermined the common law right to share the roads. Made them ask permission to use them. Permission from unseen hands. Hands that asked for money.
Made them pay a percentage of their salaries. An invasion of property rights, according to MArx's tenet of communism.
Then in order to enforce it, violated their privacy rights too.
Wanted to know every little thing you do.

There were people from bad families. Poor people, Who were offered a way out of poverty by joining the government.
Thrown 30 pieces of silver.
These people "respect" authority"
like mangy dogs who have been thrown a bone, they scrounge at the feet of their oppressors, and willingly abuse the rights of their countrymen. They tend to have low I.Q.s and no family history of morals.

And are but dog's at the heel of the priests whose job it is to create fear with guns in the individual ,so he bows to the pope again.
So that he fears his own government.


We have certain inalienable rights enshrined in common law going back centuries.
Legislatures are not supposed to enfringe upon those rights when making administrative policy.

They do though. And if no one objects when they infringe upon rights, this makes them bold.

They will be influenced by the enemy of freedom The roman Catholic church. Commit treason via legislation.
So that people become scared again of "authority"
So people wave flags one day a year. Let off fireworks (guy fawkes throwback ironically) to celebrate their freedom.
Then do what the government tells them to do the rest of the year, because they're scared #less of government.

People who oppose this are individuals like me, I don't go to fight-for your- rights university.
I follow my own conscience. As do most other men of principle.
The idea that you can throw us all in one basket of beliefs is inane.

That we are following some program, or have been conned is inane.

I believe that men who dislike those of us who stand up for liberty and the rights of the individual against treason and oppressive government, dilike us because we hold up a mirror.
You see in us what terrible men you are. Venal, weak, dogs licking the boot of those who whip you. And you're ashamed.
And so you should be. You have failed the test of life.

originally posted by: isaih

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
They tie up the court system with stacks of frivolous, nonsensical paperwork. People that actually need their day in court have to wait whilst the justice system sorts through all the garbage these people throw at them.

Usually they're desperate people, being sold a scam "get out of taxes/jail" scheme. If whatever they are trying actually worked, the richest people and corporations in the USA would be using their secret tricks to get out of paying taxes.

A lot of them owe the IRS a lot of money, have back child support, or are locked in jail. If they don't want to pay taxes -- fine, move to another country. Roads don't pave themselves for free, and firefighters and EMT's don't work for free either.

This. In addition they try to steal by putting "liens" on other people's property.

Ok I've read through comments from men here who are against the idea of challenging the lawfulness of government.

And I can see that you all have low I.Q.s so I will type very slowly and read each word aloud when I explain that we are not slaves to authority.

Here's a history lesson, its going to hurt your peasant brains so ask your mother to hold your hands.

Absolutely no one who is not already in toe with your philosphy is going to listen to you when you insult and demean them. Read that and stopped reading.

originally posted by: isaih


Helped to build a masonic lodge in every town. Cast their spells over the people. Actual witchcraft that works.

Dude....even this guy is confused with that statement.

originally posted by: macman

originally posted by: isaih


Helped to build a masonic lodge in every town. Cast their spells over the people. Actual witchcraft that works.

Dude....even this guy is confused with that statement.

Witchcraft is used to cast spells over the town. Over people's minds. So as to make people fear police or be too confused to understand the law is being broken.

If you aren't aware that freemasonry is witchcraft , I suggest you read some of their books.
They aren't doing it it for fun.
There is a purpose. An aim they wish to achieve.

If you allow people to tell you what to do. You allow your rights to be infringed.
You don't demand a jury of your peers when they have been infringed.
you are under the spell of masonry.
Every man knows his basic rights. Every man knows he can only be dispossessed via a jury of his peers.
And yet the vast majority of men allow their rights to be abused. Without resistance.

originally posted by: isaih

originally posted by: macman

originally posted by: isaih


Helped to build a masonic lodge in every town. Cast their spells over the people. Actual witchcraft that works.

Dude....even this guy is confused with that statement.

Witchcraft is used to cast spells over the town. Over people's minds. So as to make people fear police or be too confused to understand the law is being broken.

If you aren't aware that freemasonry is witchcraft , I suggest you read some of their books.
They aren't doing it it for fun.
There is a purpose. An aim they wish to achieve.

I sincerely hope that you stop, take a step back and consider how others may perceive your comments on this thread as our resident self-professed Sovereign Citizen. I'd give out some sincere advice as well; however, I suspect that it would be perceived as an ad hominem no matter how honestly and concernedly given.

originally posted by: isaih

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
They tie up the court system with stacks of frivolous, nonsensical paperwork. People that actually need their day in court have to wait whilst the justice system sorts through all the garbage these people throw at them.

Usually they're desperate people, being sold a scam "get out of taxes/jail" scheme. If whatever they are trying actually worked, the richest people and corporations in the USA would be using their secret tricks to get out of paying taxes.

A lot of them owe the IRS a lot of money, have back child support, or are locked in jail. If they don't want to pay taxes -- fine, move to another country. Roads don't pave themselves for free, and firefighters and EMT's don't work for free either.

This. In addition they try to steal by putting "liens" on other people's property.

Ok I've read through comments from men here who are against the idea of challenging the lawfulness of government.

And I can see that you all have low I.Q.s so I will type very slowly and read each word aloud when I explain that we are not slaves to authority.

Here's a history lesson, its going to hurt your peasant brains so ask your mother to hold your hands.
The Roman Catholic Church had decent white folks enlaved for over 1000 years.
Then protestants broke free and said we do not want to live subject to authority of anyone but god.
Then these protestants were persecuted and fled to the new world .

And they founded America.

Then the catholic church followed them, through Jesuitical freemasonry. And corrupted the weak men. The morally challenged were enticed into the same kiddy fiddling satanic worship as the Roman priests who had been enslaving them for over 1000 years.

And they betrayed their brothers.

Helped to build a masonic lodge in every town. Cast their spells over the people. Actual witchcraft that works.
While they undermined people's freedom via their new invention the police. Invented in the late 1800s.
Long after the rewvolution. A masonic invention.
Then undermined the common law right to share the roads. Made them ask permission to use them. Permission from unseen hands. Hands that asked for money.
Made them pay a percentage of their salaries. An invasion of property rights, according to MArx's tenet of communism.
Then in order to enforce it, violated their privacy rights too.
Wanted to know every little thing you do.

There were people from bad families. Poor people, Who were offered a way out of poverty by joining the government.
Thrown 30 pieces of silver.
These people "respect" authority"
like mangy dogs who have been thrown a bone, they scrounge at the feet of their oppressors, and willingly abuse the rights of their countrymen. They tend to have low I.Q.s and no family history of morals.

And are but dog's at the heel of the priests whose job it is to create fear with guns in the individual ,so he bows to the pope again.
So that he fears his own government.


We have certain inalienable rights enshrined in common law going back centuries.
Legislatures are not supposed to enfringe upon those rights when making administrative policy.

They do though. And if no one objects when they infringe upon rights, this makes them bold.

They will be influenced by the enemy of freedom The roman Catholic church. Commit treason via legislation.
So that people become scared again of "authority"
So people wave flags one day a year. Let off fireworks (guy fawkes throwback ironically) to celebrate their freedom.
Then do what the government tells them to do the rest of the year, because they're scared #less of government.

People who oppose this are individuals like me, I don't go to fight-for your- rights university.
I follow my own conscience. As do most other men of principle.
The idea that you can throw us all in one basket of beliefs is inane.

That we are following some program, or have been conned is inane.

I believe that men who dislike those of us who stand up for liberty and the rights of the individual against treason and oppressive government, dilike us because we hold up a mirror.
You see in us what terrible men you are. Venal, weak, dogs licking the boot of those who whip you. And you're ashamed.
And so you should be. You have failed the test of life.

LOL. Witchcraft+Jesuits+Freemasonry+Catholic Hate+MArxism--you got it all covered. Any you have the temerity to say I have a low IQ? LOL.

a reply to: WhiteAlice

I don't communicate in riddles.

If you have something to say , say it or dont'.

Fiji freemasons held for sorcery

A group of freemasons have had to spend a night in jail in Fiji, after local villagers complained they were practising witchcraft.

The 14 men, including eight Australians and a New Zealander, had been holding a night-time meeting on Denerau island.

The New Zealand man told reporters he had spent a "wretched" time in jail, and blamed the mix-up on the actions of "dopey village people".

news.bbc.co.uk...

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