Battle For Strategic Mariupol Begins, NATO Vows To Do "Whatever It Takes"

originally posted by: jajaja

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: jajaja

originally posted by: CollisioN
^ and to this:

Soviet Union ceased to exist in 1991. Perhaps you should re-check your history.

Putin had a statement once when his child dream was to 'Restore Soviet Russia'. While the pressure from the west is what makes him be more warlike, there is no doubt he would have used any possible moment to follow his dream. Seeing how he has no opposition, like a modern way to deal with the 'annoying ones', looks similar to 1950s.

Russia hasn't changed too much in terms of rights, they have some of the west 'degrading' influence but this is all prosecuted...

I had a dream to be an astronaut once. As do most kids.

Let us know when Putin grows up.

He is a lot more mature than other politicans and presidents.

Nothing says mature like riding a horse shirtless.

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: jajaja

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: jajaja

originally posted by: CollisioN
^ and to this:

Soviet Union ceased to exist in 1991. Perhaps you should re-check your history.

Putin had a statement once when his child dream was to 'Restore Soviet Russia'. While the pressure from the west is what makes him be more warlike, there is no doubt he would have used any possible moment to follow his dream. Seeing how he has no opposition, like a modern way to deal with the 'annoying ones', looks similar to 1950s.

Russia hasn't changed too much in terms of rights, they have some of the west 'degrading' influence but this is all prosecuted...

I had a dream to be an astronaut once. As do most kids.

Let us know when Putin grows up.

He is a lot more mature than other politicans and presidents.

Nothing says mature like riding a horse shirtless.

True, playing golf as the world turns to shat instead of being responsible (well, you are responsible for many things - badly) is better.

Can Obama even ride a horse? All I have seen him ride is a golf cart (and even then he wasn't driving it) and he had his shirt on (probably a good thing).

originally posted by: jajaja

He is a lot more mature than other politicans and presidents.

Shall we pull out all of the photos of Putin shirtless while hunting?

Do you think Putin, shirtless on a horse holding an oversize fish he never caught, riding into Chechnya would have prevented both wars there that he caused?


Maybe he should ride into Mariupol.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Then maybe Peck420 can borrow your notes so he can get up speed.

WW2...1939-1945...

Russian's sign original Geneva Convention (1864) signed and ratified by Russia Empire 1867...well before WW2.

The same convention was signed by the German Empire...1906.

Wait, wait...let me guess, because Russian Empire was USSR for WW2, it doesn't apply...regardless that the German Empire didn't exist for WW2 (German Empire ended in 1918), but was bound by the same treaty for dealing with western armies...

So, which is it...if the USSR was not bound by the treaties because it signed as the Russian Empire, than Germany was not bound by any treaty, as it was signed by the German Empire. If it applies to one party, it applies to all parties.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: jajaja

He is a lot more mature than other politicans and presidents.

Shall we pull out all of the photos of Putin shirtless while hunting?

Do you think Putin, shirtless on a horse holding an oversize fish he never caught, riding into Chechnya would have prevented both wars there that he caused?


Maybe he should ride into Mariupol.

One runs and hides from a pair of boobies.

Scary things those, to the Western leaders.

That is probably why Putin bears (ehm) his chest, to scare the west.

originally posted by: CollisioN

I had a dream to be an astronaut once. As do most kids.

Yes, and taking over Crimea is exactly because of the pressure by the west, not because he has a plan to get back whatever he can, strategic areas. Man, who are you kidding?

So he claimed but oddly doesnt seem to be the case since there was plans long before this involving bringing Ukraine into the Russian sphere of influence. But that fell through as Ukrainians realized the Russian economy was not going to be beneficial in the future. So they looked towards Europe and its economies to better itself. But Putins ego couldnt handle that and as always Putins first move is use troops. We have seen it the entire time hes been in charge hes killed to enforce his policies and will continue to do so until hes gone. Putin isnt a politician in the sense he can negotiate or even find compromises he just asserts his will on Russians and other countries by force.

a reply to: peck420

Are you getting your info from Russia?

ICRC - Geneva conventions WWII

You will notice the USSR never signed them.

Since the Soviet Union came into existence in 1922 I am confused as to how they could have signed the treaties back in the 1800's.

But why concern ourselves with things called facts...

a reply to: jajaja

Yes many feminists think Putin is a dictator that wasnt the first incident of woman trying to bring attention to his policies. But im not sure you had a point with this post? Unless you agree Putin has become a dictator much in line with Hitler??

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: jajaja

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: jajaja

He is a lot more mature than other politicans and presidents.

Shall we pull out all of the photos of Putin shirtless while hunting?

Do you think Putin, shirtless on a horse holding an oversize fish he never caught, riding into Chechnya would have prevented both wars there that he caused?


Maybe he should ride into Mariupol.

One runs and hides from a pair of boobies.

Scary things those, to the Western leaders.

That is probably why Putin bears (ehm) his chest, to scare the west.

Yes many feminists think Putin is a dictator that wasnt the first incident of woman trying to bring attention to his policies. But im not sure you had a point with this post? Unless you agree Putin has become a dictator much in line with Hitler??

This was about Putin baring his chest, well, it is obviously to mock the booby fearing Western leaders.

a reply to: jajaja

Shes lucky she did that in Germany. Had it been in Russia she would have been beat and thrown in prison on trumped charges.

Anyway you can tie your post into the topic of Mariupol?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: jajaja

Shes lucky she did that in Germany. Had it been in Russia she would have been beat and thrown in prison on trumped charges.

Would have, could have, wasn't, didn't. Now you're making things up.

In fact, if you watch it, Putin enjoyed it.

a reply to: jajaja

Pussyriot


Do you think the rebels will agree to the full terms of the cease fire? It requires them to turn in all weapons, remove all heavy equipment and still be part of Ukraine.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Do you think the rebels will agree to the full terms of the cease fire? It requires them to turn in all weapons, remove all heavy equipment and still be part of Ukraine.

No. You have wrong information about 12 point agreements in ceasefire.
Under ceasefire they agreed just not to move any troops from the current positions, exchange of prisoners, some obvious points about stopping shelling civilians etc. But rebels are not going to disarm. They were winning side from actual war battles at the moment when ceasefire of signed.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: Xcathdra

Do you think the rebels will agree to the full terms of the cease fire? It requires them to turn in all weapons, remove all heavy equipment and still be part of Ukraine.

No. You have wrong information about 12 point agreements in ceasefire.
Under ceasefire they agreed just not to move any troops from the current positions.

You need to read the agreement then because its apparent you did not.


Kyev Post - OSCE releases the 12-point protocol agreements reached between Ukraine, Russia and separatists in Minsk

As a result of consideration and discussion of the proposals from members of consultations in Minsk on Sept. 1. 2014, the Trilateral contact group composed of representatives from Ukraine, Russian Federation and Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, an understanding was reached regarding the need to take the following steps:

1. Provide for immediate and two-sided ceasefire.

2. Provide monitoring and verification from the side of OSCE of the ceasefire.

3. Conduct decentralization of power, including through approval of the Law of Ukraine “On temporary order of local self-government in certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions” (Law on special status)

4. Provide permanent monitoring at the Ukrainian-Russian state border, and verification by OSCE, with creation of a safety zone in the areas adjacent to the border in Ukraine and Russian Federation.

5. Immediately free all hostages and illegally held persons.

6. Approve a law to prevent persecution and punishment of persons in relation to events that took place in certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine.

7. Continue an inclusive national dialogue.

8. Take measures to improve the humanitarian situation in Donbas.

9. Conduct early local elections in accordance with the Law of Ukraine “On temporary order of local self-government in certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions” (Law on special status).

10. Remove illegal military formations, military equipment and militants and mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine.

11. Approve a program for economic development of Donbas and renew the vital functions of the region.

12. Give guarantees of personal security for participants of consultations.

Members of the Trilateral contact group:

Ambassador Heidi Tagliavini (Signed)

Second President of Ukraine L.D. Kuchma (Signed)

Ambassador of Russian Federation to Ukraine M.Yu.Zurabov (Signed)

A.V. Zakharchenko (Signed)

I.V. Plotnitskiy (Signed)

RT - Ukraine peace plan: Withdraw military hardware, exchange POWs, open corridors

The two sides, however, abstained from discussing the main bone of contention, which is the status of Ukraine’s southeastern regions. The self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) and Lugansk People’s Republic (LNR) are seeking independence from Kiev and the creation of the state of Novorossiya (“New Russia”).

The question of the status of the two regions was not a priority, DNR Prime Minister Aleksandr Zakharchenko told reporters after the meeting.

"It's not so important. The most important thing now is to stop the bloodshed,” he said.

“We have not reached that point, we mainly talked about the ceasefire,” Igor Plotnitsky, Lugansk’s leader, said. "We had no assurance that we would be able to negotiate. But as a result of negotiations, we realized that on both sides of the conflict there are the people, we need to get people back to their homes," he added.

It has been decided that once the military conflict is settled, Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk will have to return to the negotiations table to discuss Donbass region’s status again.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I guess you mean little facts like this?

The Nazi regime claimed that it was under no obligation for the humane care of prisoners of war from the Red Army because the Soviet Union had not ratified the 1929 Geneva Convention on Prisoners of W, nor had it specifically declared its commitment to the 1907 Hague Convention on the Rules of War.

or this:

Declaration.
Peoples Commissar of Foreign Affairs of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, by this note declares, that Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is accepting the convention about improving life of the prisoners of war, wounded, and sick in the acting armies, signed in Geneva on June 27th 1929. In order to verify it Peoples Commissar of Foreign Affairs of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, who has all the necessary mandates and powers, signed this declaration of accepting. In accordance with a decision of Central Executive Committee of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics from May 12th 1930, this acceptance is final and does not need any further ratifications.
Done in Moscow on August 25 1930.
Signed : Litvinov.

The Germans claim that they did not have to adhere to the Geneva (with Russia) as Russia had not 'ratified' (for everybody following along that means signed, but not passed by internal legislation). The Russians, on the other hand, made it quite clear in their signing letter that they had ratified (note the last line).

Just by the fact that the Germans made the claim that USSR had not ratified, means that the USSR had actually signed, as, if they had not, the Germans would have just claimed that the USSR had not signed the treaty.

Why this isn't in Western history...gee I wonder?

a reply to: Xcathdra

10. Remove illegal military formations, military equipment and militants and mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine.

This is concerning NATO sponsored bands on the territory of Ukraine, not Donbass.

a reply to: peck420

nope...

Like what i stated. The USSR was not a signatory to the treaty.

Even the ICRC is telling you that you are wrong.


Wiki - Geneva Conventions 1929

ICRC - list of signatories to the Geneva Conventions

ICRC - list of nations who signed but never ratified the treaty


The USSR is not on either list.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: Xcathdra

10. Remove illegal military formations, military equipment and militants and mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine.

This is concerning NATO sponsored bands on the territory of Ukraine, not Donbass.

lol try again.. Even the RT article touches on it.

You guys crack me up... Its like the non insignia troops in Crimea.. Pro Russians argued that non insignia troops were not Russian. Even after Putin went on RT and stated they were Russian troops, people still argued they were not.

i see this is going to be another one of those issues.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I don't care what RT article is saying. I know for sure that rebels as you call them will not disarm.
At most they will remove those who signed this from their side, but disarm ? I don't think so.
And there is no clear point in agreement that says they should.
Illegeal formation are also "azov", "aidar" etc.
If those will disarm, there might be some future agreement about the borders and the future status of Donbass.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: Xcathdra

I don't care what RT article is saying. I know for sure that rebels as you call them will not disarm.
At most they will remove those who signed this from their side, but disarm ? I don't think so.
And there is no clear point in agreement that says they should.
Illegeal formation are also "azov", "aidar" etc.
If those will disarm, there might be some future agreement about the borders ans status of Donbass.

So you are ignoring a Russian state media source because the info does not fit your facts.

check