Jim Jefferies Comedian on gun control

a reply to: butcherguy

Well since most points the pro gun crowd makes is the second half of the second amendment...

Yeah, pretty invalid...

More people are killed each year by guns than on 9/11, that event threw us onto two wars.

But nothing can be done?

Love this guy. Very funny and makes sense.

a reply to: Onslaught2996

The guy in Australia who committed the shooting, that mass murder was never the biggest in history I don't know why he says that? There was one in South Korea in the 80's where a cop went on a rampage and killed over 50 people. Do Australia's cops have access to guns?

Then of course since 2011, Breivik, killed 77 by himself. Hard to top that.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

No, what was brought up about safes were how easy they are open if needed...but the point he made there will be may be times where you don't have the time to get the safe...what good is your gun in a safe? Unless of course you carry the safe around..

The other point was..if not in a safe..then why not..or you just willing to trust anyone around your guns? Do you carry them around the house and where do you live and what type of people do you know that you feel the need to be armed at all times...that was the other point he made.

The other point about going against the military..here is the supposed debunked part.."they gave an opinion on what they thought the military would do" cuz they knew some swell people in it , but the fact he stated was...if the military intervened..do you really think you would stand a chance?

So nothing was debunked.

Thats it for me tonight.

a reply to: butcherguy

I didn't say that. He just addressed everything from all perspectives with humor and he did is with respect and class. Don't put words in my posts that are not there now.

originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

m.motherjones.com...

Mass shootings..

www.hsph.harvard.edu...

Suicides...

www.fbi.gov...

Homicides...

And guns aren't a problem?

Seriously mother jones? give me a break........thats as bad as Breitbart to the right or from your perspective using "faux" news.......

And the FBI stat........do you even see how low those numbers are?

and the percentage of gun crime compared to the NUMBER of legal gun owners in America , is ridiculously low.....

Im not saying that people in the US dont get killed by guns, but the percentage of Legal gun owners compared to the number of acts of crime committed with firearms should speak for themselves....

You can try and skew the data anyway you want or put whatever slant you want on it......

270 million total guns owned legally by americans compared to Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 11,068
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.6

I think that pretty much speaks for itself

a reply to: Onslaught2996

Here are some points to consider

According to the National Survey of Criminal Victimization (A very progressive leaning institution) there are 100,000 defensive gun use every year in the US, some survey suggests that there are over 2.5 million defensive gun use a year. This far out pace the number of homicides cause by guns each year (averaging around 11,000 a year).

Also, according to the Supreme Court, you and only you have the responsibility to protect yourself and your loved ones, the police have no duty to protect you.

When it comes to our military turning on us. Just remember, there are many times more trained and seasons veterans at any given time than there are those in active service. So even if everyone in the military decided to turned against their friends and family (many will not), they would still be out numbered. If the military cannot even win against the Taliban, good luck fighting its own population.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I don't know if that number is accurate. Most mass shootings are made by illegal guns (which in my opinion means they'd happen regardless of gun laws), but a few of them have been with legally owned guns.

It shocks me and also shows that liberals are a little racist in their agenda creation because they always point to mass murders with white perps and vics as opposed to the constant daily black on black gun violence.

I'm trying to think of the word...what do you call the slop that drops from a bull's anus? That's the word I'm looking for.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I don't know if that number is accurate. Most mass shootings are made by illegal guns (which in my opinion means they'd happen regardless of gun laws), but a few of them have been with legally owned guns.

It shocks me and also shows that liberals are a little racist in their agenda creation because they always point to mass murders with white perps and vics as opposed to the constant daily black on black gun violence.

Of course there have been some that have been committed by legal gun owners......and even one is too many......

But my point was the numbers just arent there, if we know those are the numbers of legally registered guns (at least approxomiately ) how many are out there that arent legal.....

And I wouldnt go as far as racist, I think people definitely pick their stats........

The black on black violence in the neighborhoods across the US is a tragedy, but again, im sure those statistics would be available for how many of those were with legally owned guns since they would be registered......

it goes back to what Ive always said IMHO, we dont have an issue with guns in the US, we have an issue with accountability and degredation of the moral fabric of our society........

Guns and any other object people can use are just the tools at their immediate disposal to lash out.

Star for your thoughts man

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

Who said anything about white or blacks?

One more thing before I go. Not to you in general but to the other posters as well.

Show me where you debunked as he said...the 2nd amendment can't changed....it can..why do you think it is called an amendment.

Wonder why they allowed an amendment...because the fore fathers knew times change and so should the constitution, to keep with the times.

As he said before...the same argument used for for guns was also used for slavery but that changed..so will this..it is just a matter of time..

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Low?

Four Americans were killed, by guns in benghazi, and the political right wanted the presidents head on a pike for it.

13,000 Americans are killed by guns in our own country, and that's just peachy?

Just fine? Good?

There is nothing we as a society can do to reduce this number?

Mass shootings are almost a weekly event in this country, and we can't do anything?

Pull the other leg!

originally posted by: aorAki
a reply to: Onslaught2996

BNice one.

Thanks for that. good to hear some antipodean humour. I think it probably flew over the heads of the gun-toting yanks on this thread

He made some good points as well, but you'll never get the pro gun idiots to change their minds. The whole country is built upon violence, bloodshed and a misplaced sense of entitlement.

What people like yourself do not understand about those that you narrowly mindedly refer to as "pro gun idiots", is that most are not idiots, and most are more pro "rights" than guns..
This support for guns isn't because we like things that go bang, bang..
It is because we want to protect ourselves, our families, our friends, and even short-sighted people like yourself from danger.
Danger comes in many forms, but the most threatening, and potentially harmful danger is the kind that presents itself under the guise of good will, and "for your own good...".
"You are incapable of responsibly using guns. So we will take them. Then there will be no lore massacres and life will be swell.."

Stop being so eager to give away your rights to people who clearly do not have your best interests in mind,... The people I refer to in this sense is, "any and every government ever..."

Why should we surrender the right to arm ourselves? Why should we surrender any of our rights?

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Wait, didn't you say that 90% of mass shootings were legal guns? I may have misread your post.

originally posted by: Taupin Desciple
a reply to: Onslaught2996

I thought he was great. Very funny. The most valid point was the last one starting at 14:40. If anyone thinks they can take out the military, I say let them try. 1 Less stupid individual to worry about.

Thanks for posting.

So, that's why the Russians made their sweeping victory in Afghanistan against those goat herders?

And the US completely tracked down every single talibani too ....

They exist, unfortunately, because they were armed ... and not with sophisticated weaponry either.

a reply to: Onslaught2996

Me. I did. It's a true, general observation about the crimes they choose to promote when they push for gun reform.

But it wasn't in a response to you which is why you may be confused.

I didn't claim to debunk him saying he second amendment couldn't be changed. I don't think it should be because it's one of the most important. You can't just trust a government will stay true. Ours is getting to the point that we need protection with constant no knock raids and cops killing more innocent civilians all the time.

a reply to: Onslaught2996

It makes a lot of sense and is very funny, to all those that say it does not get a sense of humor and look at it from the real sense of your so called argument.

originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Low?

Four Americans were killed, by guns in benghazi, and the political right wanted the presidents head on a pike for it.

13,000 Americans are killed by guns in our own country, and that's just peachy?

Just fine? Good?

There is nothing we as a society can do to reduce this number?

Mass shootings are almost a weekly event in this country, and we can't do anything?

Pull the other leg!

No those people are killed by sick psychopaths.........

Wheres the outrage over banning vehicles........

Mass shootings happen weekly huh? Really, wow thats news to me.......sounds like you might be embelishing a little bit huh?

And no , its not a gun problem, its a societal problem...........its a mental health problem........

again its degradation of the moral fabric of our society.....

To refute this and blame it on fire arms is so disengenous that it blows the mind.........

Do you think for an instant that these people would go out and kill innocent people if they were in their right mind?

If the answer is no, then the answer is clearly that the gun isnt the problem..........the person holding it IS

a reply to: Onslaught2996

How about if you attacked the government and the military intervened...you would be out gunned...where was he wrong about that? Do you really think you would stand a chance against tanks, drones, fighter jets, missiles, warships and against a well organized group...where was he wrong about that?

Tanks, drones, jet fighter/bombers, and warships do not take and hold territories; boots on the ground do that. Further, save for the drone, soldiers must eventually exit the vehicles you've listed. After they have, they're just men and women with guns ... like most of us other Americans. Wait a moment, our soldiers are Americans with families and friends out there in civilian land.

Mr. Comedian amused me a bit, I'll give him that. However, and it appeared he was speaking to a crowd of urbanites, he just doesn't take into account our centuries old gun ownership traditions. That's likely because he understandably knows nothing about them having grown up in a society without firearms.