Ebola Mutating: Sustained H2H Transmission

a reply to: soficrow

" The longer this virus is allowed to propagate human to human, the more it is going to adapt.”

So the Scientific analysis communicates the idea that in order to conquer this disease, the entire world's resources needs be thrown into the fight. Thus the scientific/medical community is coming to the conclusion that the virus, while it might be contained to west Africa, will become far more dangerous the longer it remains in the west African population and will mutate into something that can't be "contained".

There's an interesting under current going on in this thread. And I've read through most all of the posts.

I would be interested to know what types of discussions are on-going in health care facilities world wide in case any one of them has a patient walk in with Ebola like symptoms and once the patient is tested, it is in fact determined they have the virus. Are the discussions / preparations taking place so that they can be prepared for this type of scenario if and when it were to happen.

We are already hearing stories of people in the states perhaps having symptoms but after tested they are clear. I'm waiting to hear of the one that comes back positive and what measures are taken and how fast they are acted upon.

We have so many facilities that a symptomatic patient could just walk into off the street such as the medical express facilities, the regular doctor offices and of course the hospitals. Next thing you know... they are in the middle of a situation that needs quarantine lock down to take place. Are they prepared and have they ever done it before ?

While I don't think anyone should be in panic mode, I would think these discussions would already be taking place in the health industry right now as a precaution.

How many places in our life time have had to prepare for or do a quarantine situation such as this ? I wonder if they have drills for such situations ?

leolady

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: intrptr
The more infected people there are, the more virus there is, the more mutations there are, the higher the potential for more dangerous mutations to occur.

Exactly. S&

Thanks soficrow for keeping us abreast of this. Imo, one of the important issues currently before the world.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: rickymouse
.... Its learning to survive longer and longer each time. Sooner or later it will go airborne and then become a much bigger problem than it is now.

It's already a HUGE problem - without being airborne. If we do not stop this in West Africa - before it goes through enough human hosts to develop really efficient spreading ability - then....



Thanks. S&

a reply to: new_here

...What are your thoughts on the circumstances of their death, sofi? (Sorry if it's earlier in the thread... I haven't caught up!)

I think it's absolutely inconceivable that researchers and scientists trained to work with Ebola would not take appropriate cautions - and one of the victims was Dr. Khan, Sierra Leone's vaunted "Ebola doctor." ...Notably, ALL of the five victims worked in the research facility set up and funded by the US Military's bio-war/bio-defense arm and the Viral Hemorrhagic Fever Consortium (VHFC) at the Kenema Government Hospital in Sierra Leone. The best (and most generous) suspicion I can come up with is that they buggered something up and accidentally created -and disseminated- a new Ebola strain. Which means they were testing a live vaccine.



eta NOTE: This speculation is entirely plausible - the US Military/VHFC's contract specified "NO ethical oversight."

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: soficrow

" The longer this virus is allowed to propagate human to human, the more it is going to adapt.”

So the Scientific analysis communicates the idea that in order to conquer this disease, the entire world's resources needs be thrown into the fight. Thus the scientific/medical community is coming to the conclusion that the virus, while it might be contained to west Africa, will become far more dangerous the longer it remains in the west African population and will mutate into something that can't be "contained".

There's an interesting under current going on in this thread. And I've read through most all of the posts.

Not sure what you're suggesting/implying, but the observations, conclusions and warnings are valid. We're already dealing with almost 400 new mutations, increased transmissibility and altered symptoms. It's not looking good now. Six months from now? ....Who knows what's coming next?

a reply to: joho99

...people seem to be skirting round it like other humans could not be capable of mass killing when history tells us otherwise

Unfortunately, we're facing a deadly here-and-now crisis. Focusing on blame-laying may be counter-productive - except if you're looking at liability and financial accountability. Scary can of worms, that. Gets really political. Could cost American tax-payers big time. Because the corporate interests seem rather well-camouflaged - oddly, all the bio-corporations involved with the VHFC are not just small - they're tiny. Be interesting to track their funders, and find out if they have 'parent' corporations (undoubtedly well-insulated). No matter, really. When you read the find print, I'm sure you'll find that the US Government and American tax-payers are holding the bag. It's the new military-industrial complex. I think it's called blackmail, or maybe extortion. Whatever. We're still left with a rapidly mutating virus adapting proficiently to human hosts and threatening to go pandemic.


PS. As I told new_here above - The best (and most generous) suspicion I have is that they they were testing a live vaccine - and accidentally created, and disseminated, a new Ebola strain. ....This speculation is entirely plausible - the US Military/VHFC's contract with Sierra Leone (and Nigeria) specified "NO ethical oversight."





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originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: joho99

...people seem to be skirting round it like other humans could not be capable of mass killing when history tells us otherwise

Unfortunately, we're facing a deadly here-and-now crisis. Focusing on blame-laying may be counter-productive - except if you're looking at liability and financial accountability. Scary can of worms, that. Gets really political. Could cost American tax-payers big time. Because the corporate interests seem rather well-camouflaged - oddly, all the bio-corporations involved with the VHFC are not just small - they're tiny. Be interesting to track their funders, and find out if they have 'parent' corporations (undoubtedly well-insulated). No matter, really. When you read the find print, I'm sure you'll find that the US Government and American tax-payers are holding the bag. It's the new military-industrial complex. I think it's called blackmail, or maybe extortion. Whatever. We're still left with a rapidly mutating virus adapting proficiently to human hosts and threatening to go pandemic.


PS. As I told new_here above - The best (and most generous) suspicion I have is that they they were testing a live vaccine - and accidentally created, and disseminated, a new Ebola strain. ....This speculation is entirely plausible - the US Military/VHFC's contract with Sierra Leone (and Nigeria) specified "NO ethical oversight."








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You misunderstand me it is not about laying blame it is about working out the motive what is the end goal?
That will tell us how bad things could get.

Is it just about Africa or is it about removing half the population or are we talking about further waves of other stuff to reach 90%

That is presuming it is not a random act of nature

a reply to: soficrow
Thanks for all of your updates.
Would you hazard a guess about how long it will take for this plague (and that's what it seems like) to bleed its way across Europe and the Americas and become a roiling pandemic? Will we, who are following the numbers, have any advance warning to stock up on supplies and bug out?

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

A loss of 2 billion would bring the world population down to the level it was in The 70s, which some (zero population growth elitists) might not think is such a bad thing.

I suspect this virus (for now) is transmitted by direct skin-to-skin contact, or the virus coming in contact with your skin directly. This would explain the five researchers in full hazmat gear dying.

I realize that if what the doctor from Samaritan's Purse told the House Representatives three weeks ago is true, "1mm of this stuff on your skin and you will probably get sick and die" then I have to be very careful who I touch from now on. (Until the virus becomes airborne that is. Maybe around winter 2014?)

Needless to say, I'm not getting any more lap dances at strip clubs.

a reply to: leolady

Most nations are assuring us that they're prepping doctors, hospitals and everyone - despite the fact that there's no real risk outside of West Africa. [tsk] ...But check this out: Ebola in the ER



PS Everyone - I can't keep up with the responses but thank you all, and please, keep posting.

heads up,, because its India,,

"suffered from vomitting, loose motions and high fever."
"Mini Majhi from the Gajapati district died, on her way to the hospital."


"six students is stated to be critical."





"suffered from vomitting, loose motions and high fever." over the radio,,





immediate thoughts??


"after consuming contaminated food"

whew,,pretty scetchy,,,long tail cat in room full of,,

because its "India on Sunday, 31 August, 2014"

yeah,,

a reply to: leolady
I can tell you that Ebola hasn't been discussed at our small-US city hospital. The administration is far more
concerned with length of stay and insurance denials.

a reply to: drwill
its the colledges and Universities, ie students returning to class's from all over the world,,,that has me a touch worried.

a reply to: BobAthome

Is this breaking news? What is your source?

a reply to: leolady

Next thing you know… they are in the middle of a situation that needs quarantine lock down to take place.

You landed on one of the more insidious aspects of any outbreak. The first place sick people go to get help is the first place to be quarantined.

They do prepare for contagion, though. Sickness is their business. Problem is diagnosing it before it spreads to the staff. Ebola has a long incubation period (up to 21 days) and that is what most compounds the problem of containing the virus.

originally posted by: drwill
a reply to: soficrow

Thanks for all of your updates.
Would you hazard a guess about how long it will take for this plague (and that's what it seems like) to bleed its way across Europe and the Americas and become a roiling pandemic? Will we, who are following the numbers, have any advance warning to stock up on supplies and bug out?

You're welcome - and thank you. ....I need more data before I can guess, but will say that if the epidemic is not stopped dead in West Africa immediately, it will be all our problem. And so far, West Africa is NOT getting the manpower and resources it needs. fyi - following the numbers and official information can be misleading - we need to read between the lines. also fyi - am stocking up already - can't bug out, but plan to avoid public places for 3-4 months if/when it hits.

a reply to: windwaker

of course its not breaking news,, it was only food poisioning,,,,


see my point

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: windwaker

it was only food poisioning,,,,

see my point

Distraction and deflection. Our world is chock-full of food-borne diseases, and others that mimic Ebola. The key always is to find out if the patient has travelled to West Africa, and/or been exposed to Ebola. The journalist in the Ebola in the ER OP article WAS exposed and DID inform hospital staff of his exposure. That alone should have triggered a different response. ....Your example doesn't even qualify for "isolated but tested negative" false alarm. [tsk]

a reply to: BobAthome
I agree. The situation can change in a heartbeat.
On another note, we listened to news shows this a.m. and wondered if air travel will be limited by the volcanic eruptions in Iceland.