Florida cops kill bystander, but charge suspect they were trying to shoot with her murder

If the LEO were properly trained they could have taken the person they perceived as a threat down without resorting to guns.

This system needs a complete rehaul.

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
If the LEO were properly trained they could have taken the person they perceived as a threat down without resorting to guns.

This system needs a complete rehaul.

agreed...as another poster said nobody was hurt or killed until the cops showed up....way to protect people...

9 shots and 3 people get shot and one innocent killed...that is some crap shooting and in a public area...there are so many things wrong with this picture it is astounding

Here's an interesting twist to this story...

Orlando Surveillance Cameras Broken in Some Areas

Apparently, a local news station requested footage from the city-owned security cameras, showing this shooting, as is their right under Florida's Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) but were denied. City officials claimed that the cameras had not been operational for weeks...

Rather peculiar, IMO...

originally posted by: Urantia1111
So the cop sprayed the general area in front of the bar with gunfire so that the perpetrator wouldn't harm anyone else? That makes a lot of sense. The irony here is simply delicious. Not sure how first degree murder is going to go over in court though. Unless there's some statute that allows that charge in a case like this. Seems some lesser charge might be more appropriate.

When you commit a crime you are responsible for anything that happens that is a foreseeable result. The man should be charged. It's possible the cop(s) involved also need something to happen to them.

This is also a bad trend beyond stupid AJ.
How I personally feel about this is going to make the post
draft a lot shorter or it would surely be my last.

Every class, supervised practice session or other contact with
a firearm by anyone should include, maintain and slam home
one rule, which has everything to do with accountability.

ONE rule, people--- for every single gun owner/user...
When THAT round leaves your muzzle YOU OWN IT.
And I mean every one, along with every consequence.

HE/SHE the shooter PAYS, not the town not the perp. The
innocent paid the big price, absolutely wrong. Blame game over.

Wow...The more I look into this, the stranger it gets...

Upon listening to the audio available from the 911 call, the caller plainly says that the "perp" did NOT shoot his gun inside the bar, as originally stated in the OP. And, there is a discrepancy between witnesses, as to whether the "gun-waving lunatic" even displayed the firearm, he was allegedly carrying! The statement from the bouncer said he saw the butt of a pistol as he was escorting the guy out. But the caller, claims the guy was waving it around, and even set it on the bar, as he was waiting for a drink! How was a "madman" waving a gun around, so easily removed from the building?

Also, near the end of the 911 audio, you can clearly hear the "9" shots being fired, towards the suspect. But the timing doesn't seem to fit with the City's narrative of them all coming from one gun. All nine shots are fired in less than 2.5 seconds. Now, it is possible for a typical police-issued semi-automatic pistol to fire that many rounds, that fast, but it almost sounds like 2 weapons being fired at the same time to me.

I sure wish we had some video from one of the many cameras posted around that part of Orlando. But, I guess we will have to wait until it's been properly edited, and "found", before we'll see it...

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

And somehow it's a foreseeable result that a cop's going to come in and start shooting people, even though the 'suspect' never actually did anything besides brandish a weapon? If that is the case (and it is by your own admission, any rational person who pays attention to these things wouldn't disagree) something truly needs to be done about the police in our country. That is about as stupid as it gets im sorry. You might as well have used the old "he's just doing his job" argument.

The lunatics are literally running the asylum in the US.

Admittedly, its not all police. But, when you wear the uniform of people who are associated with these things you are judged along with them. There may have been some Nazis who were good people, but they still wore red armbands with swastikas so we group them all together and judge them as the group that they are a part of. Same with the police. Why on earth would it, or should it be any different?

It's the double standard that I find so absolutely sickening. They get away with things a regular citizen could never dream of. Why? Because they are trained to handle these situations? If that's the case why does it go so wrong with such frequency?

Doctors train for nearly a decade to save someones life, but if you want a gun and the authority to kill it doesn't take anywhere near as long. They truly need more training imo. I also think (know) that they need to be held to a higher standard. It shouldn't be the standard that they accidentally kill people or kill with little provocation and receive zero punishment. That, imo, is absolutely against what our country is about.

It is as if they have absolute domain over us. Do not question, do not resist, for they are your masters and as such reserve the right to strike you down at any time. I don't remember the username but there was a cop on these very forums who basically said the same thing although he said it in a righteous manner because he thought he is was exactly what most cops think they are.

I could not imagine being such a ruthless person.