Arizona-9 Year old girl kills gun instructer

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Briles1207

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Denoli

You are not making any sense.

Gun safety should be introduced to kids at a early age.

Surely the safest way for your child is to not own a gun?

Parents basically saying the following.

"Look kids, mummy and daddy need to own something that is designed to kill people, as is our right. Now, let us show you how to operate it SAFELY."

^^read that sentence aloud without sounding like a complete lunatic.

Cant be done. "GUN SAFETY is an oxymoron at best.

Incorrect. A child, even if you do not own a gun, can very easily be exposed to one and should know what to do. I don't do drugs, have none in the house, and they are highly illegal. However, my child is well informed of the dangers of them and what to do if they are offered or exposed to them out in the big wide world.

Keeping one's child in ignorance on a subject does not help them in any way shape or form.

they shouldnt own them, they should know how dangerous they are, i think gun safety is important but too much info is just as dangerous.

"this is a deadly weapon" not "this is how to use it"

originally posted by: Biigs

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Briles1207

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Denoli

You are not making any sense.

Gun safety should be introduced to kids at a early age.

Surely the safest way for your child is to not own a gun?

Parents basically saying the following.

"Look kids, mummy and daddy need to own something that is designed to kill people, as is our right. Now, let us show you how to operate it SAFELY."

^^read that sentence aloud without sounding like a complete lunatic.

Cant be done. "GUN SAFETY is an oxymoron at best.

Incorrect. A child, even if you do not own a gun, can very easily be exposed to one and should know what to do. I don't do drugs, have none in the house, and they are highly illegal. However, my child is well informed of the dangers of them and what to do if they are offered or exposed to them out in the big wide world.

Keeping one's child in ignorance on a subject does not help them in any way shape or form.

they shouldnt own them, they should know how dangerous they are, i think gun safety is in important but too much info is just as dangerous.

"this is a deadly weapon" not "this is how to use it"

Children do not legally own them and how to use them is part of safety and demystifying the object. If one is taught and trained and exposed, then it loses it's forbidden fruit luster.

originally posted by: Biigs

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Briles1207

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Denoli

You are not making any sense.

Gun safety should be introduced to kids at a early age.

Surely the safest way for your child is to not own a gun?

Parents basically saying the following.

"Look kids, mummy and daddy need to own something that is designed to kill people, as is our right. Now, let us show you how to operate it SAFELY."

^^read that sentence aloud without sounding like a complete lunatic.

Cant be done. "GUN SAFETY is an oxymoron at best.

Incorrect. A child, even if you do not own a gun, can very easily be exposed to one and should know what to do. I don't do drugs, have none in the house, and they are highly illegal. However, my child is well informed of the dangers of them and what to do if they are offered or exposed to them out in the big wide world.

Keeping one's child in ignorance on a subject does not help them in any way shape or form.

they shouldnt own them, they should know how dangerous they are, i think gun safety is in important but too much info is just as dangerous.

"this is a deadly weapon" not "this is how to use it"

Children do not legally own them.

originally posted by: Briles1207

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Denoli

You are not making any sense.

Gun safety should be introduced to kids at a early age.

Surely the safest way for your child is to not own a gun?

Parents basically saying the following.

"Look kids, mummy and daddy need to own something that is designed to kill people, as is our right. Now, let us show you how to operate it SAFELY."

^^read that sentence aloud without sounding like a complete lunatic.

Cant be done. "GUN SAFETY is an oxymoron at best.

I must respectfully disagree.

There are tens of millions of Americans, especially in the older generations, who successfully learned how to use firearms safely at very young ages. I, myself, learned when I was 8 or 9, and was hunting closely supervised with either a single shot .410 shotgun or lever action 22 at that age, but not before having the basic tenets of gun safety drilled into my head. It worked, just as it worked for countless others. This would have been in the mid 80s, btw...I ain't THAT old yet.

I'm not going to tell anyone that they should teach their kid that young. I don't have kids, but even if I did, I'm not sure I would with the way society is today. But I also don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it.

a reply to: Briles1207

Many of us have been raised around, and shooting guns since we were children.

My first gun was a .22 my Father bought for me when I was 8. I was not an idiot, I was trained well and went out into the woods all the time--by myself--hunting squirrels.

The first time I fired a fully-automatic weapon was at the age of 9. Ironically, it was an uzi, but I had no problems handling the recoil; I had fired weapons at that point with much greater recoil.

I was taught from an early age that ALL citizens of a republic are responsible for the defense of their country.

So what? Someone died. Accidents happen. You will never get rid of guns in the United States. There is nothing irrational about teaching children how to use weapons.

well own them isnt really a problem if they simply have access to them

originally posted by: Biigs
well own them isnt really a problem if they simply have access to them

of course you want them to be safe around them but if they know how to use them they can "borrow them" and get into trouble.

double edged sword

I'm not going to judge anyone in here. It happened and sadly can't be undone but when I look at the video I see her shoot it and handle it just fine. How did she manage to lose control of it? I'm not looking for an age/ability/instructor answer. I'm looking for a gun informational answer. The recoil isn't bad. I am assuming she failed to let go of the trigger, and then turned toward him in a panic. I know of kids being taught to shoot 12 gauge shotguns and other semi automatics that will knock one on their rear so am trying to understand this particular gun.

jut give every child from age 5 an assault weapon...and let them freely play with them...
good for buizznes and economy ! like arms factory's and undertakers :-)

the gun lobby rules the US

Amerika just do'nt want to do different
btw:
the instructer was an child himself did an poor job

originally posted by: Biigs

originally posted by: Biigs
well own them isnt really a problem if they simply have access to them

of course you want them to be safe around them but if they know how to use them they can "borrow them" and get into trouble.

double edged sword

Maybe, maybe not. Speaking for myself, again, I always knew where the couple dozen guns in the house were kept when I was a kid. I also knew what would happen to me if I so much as touched one of them when my parents weren't around. Dad's belt was a good enough deterrent. Needless to say, I never touched them.

That said, if I had kids in the home, I'd lock them up.

Why an Uzi? Why not start with a rifle and hunting small game? Let her see what death is through hunting, not this way. Extremists are destroying lives and our country just like Islam.

originally posted by: ressiv
jut give every child from age 5 an assault weapon...and let them freely play with them...
good for buizznes and economy ! like arms factory's and undertakers :-)

the gun lobby rules the US

Amerika just do'nt want to do different
btw:
the instructer was an child himself did an poor job

Que the knee jerk reaction dramatic music........

And people accuse 2nd amendment supporters of having no sense...

The instructor was foolish and it cost him his life and very nearly the life of his student.......

If for every accident we have we should go the complete opposite direction then we wouldnt have anything we have today.......

You cant mandate "accident free"........

originally posted by: MOMof3
Why an Uzi? Why not start with a rifle and hunting small game? Let her see what death is through hunting, not this way. Extremists are destroying lives and our country just like Islam.

So he was an extremist cause he had an Uzi?

I have a friend who had a license to buy autos and owns all sorts of things......hes far from extremist, infact most people wouldnt even know he has them, hes quite the accomplished business man and world traveler.....

Stereotypes are ignorant........

Again what he did was foolish, but all the labeling im seeing on this thread really makes it clear that its the other side that has the irrational fear and displays over the top mentality

I am not for or against guns. I honestly couldn't give any less of a care about guns at this point. But I have to say that this is incredibly sad, and it's irresponsible people like this that make people against guns.

First off, I have to wonder why this nine year old girl even wanted to learn to shoot a gun to begin with. When I was nine years old, I was doing homework, making mudpies, playing with Barbies... You know, normal stuff.

Second off, even if the parents felt that they could not teach this girl to fire a gun, they should have still been at the range overlooking the teaching. You'd think that if the girl wanted to learn to shoot a gun, she must have seen her parents with one. And if they don't feel like they can teach someone to shoot a gun, they probably shouldn't have guns, either.

originally posted by: NavyDoc
handing a FA weapon (a UZI) and having her go at it is just as irresponsible as handing her a chainsaw and telling her to go at it.

That's uncanny. I was going to use that same analogy earlier since the Uzi with it's fire rate could easily cut down trees and has the same tendency to kick up if you don't hold it properly. Both can also easily hit you in the face if you don't control them.

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

originally posted by: NavyDoc
handing a FA weapon (a UZI) and having her go at it is just as irresponsible as handing her a chainsaw and telling her to go at it.

That's uncanny. I was going to use that same analogy earlier since the Uzi with it's fire rate could easily cut down trees and has the same tendency to kick up if you don't hold it properly. Both can also easily hit you in the face if you don't control them.

thats a spot on anology, you dont give kids super dangerous weapons they cant even hold

a reply to: vor78

I agree with you. Back in the day, my father, uncles, cousins, all deer hunters, they started all the boys on bows first, then went to rifles at the age of 6/7....I got a baby cousin now, 7 years old learning to shoot a rifle for deer hunting. However, NO UZI's!!! Never an accident yet!! I would not ever put an Uzi in a child's hands, but a rifle & bow, totally different, but that's how we were brought up. Not myself, being a female, I was not allowed. Personally, my own boys are thankfully not interested in hunting, so, IMO, no reason to learn to shoot!! I feel for the poor girl. This is going to take years of therapy for her to get over. To be clear, I will say again, I DO NOT agree with putting an UZI in a child's hands, however bows/rifles, strictly for hunting is o.k....

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic
Second off, even if the parents felt that they could not teach this girl to fire a gun, they should have still been at the range overlooking the teaching. You'd think that if the girl wanted to learn to shoot a gun, she must have seen her parents with one. And if they don't feel like they can teach someone to shoot a gun, they probably shouldn't have guns, either.

Its not specifically a firearms training course. The business appears to be one that allows people to fire a fully automatic firearm (which are relatively rare, heavily restricted and prohibitively expensive) under supposedly controlled range conditions for a rental fee.

a reply to: MOMof3

Agree 100%!! That's what I was trying to say, but you said it much simpler & better. TY