Heavily Armed 'Men In Green' Enter East Ukrainian Villages

a reply to: maghun

So you are ok with the government killing protesting civilians who don't like the person in power.

How typically stalinesque.

Not to mention hypocritical since you denounce it when its done by anyone but Russia / Pro Russian rebels.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Green men back to Russia. What happened with kijev junta? Loosing power?

"I consider it unacceptable that for so many days our soldiers were held by the Ukrainian side and, moreover, were transferred to Kiev,” he stated. “At the same time, hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers who found themselves on the territory of Russia, after the provision of comprehensive care by the relevant authorities were immediately transferred back to Ukraine."

‘Common sense prevailed’: Ukraine releases Russian paratroopers

How ukruine will free Crimea now?

a reply to: maghun

Doubtful on the part of Russia -

“The most important thing - all the guys are now back with us, in Russia. I want to emphasize that we never abandon our own," he added.

Except when they are killed and buried in secret while the Russian government lies to the family, telling them they died in training exercises.

Also, being inside Ukraine by 20 to 30 miles is not an accident, as the paratroopers stated when they were ordered into the area by their CO.

It's called the American Dream cause you
have to be asleep to believe it.

originally posted by: maghun
a reply to: Xcathdra

Half year ago it started with a referendum about usage of Russian language at schools and offices. The junta's answer was clear: they sent in military against the "separatist terrorists".

Please stop using unsupported accusations.

Last I heard the use of Russian as a second official language used in Ukraine was not revoked.
Parliament tried passing a law but acting President Oleksandr Turchinov vetoed it so the law never entered into force.
In case you missed this fact, please review the following link:
Source

Second, the "tanks sold to Ukraine"' by Hungary turned out to be another hoax manufactured by the Hungarian far right site hidfo.net from California, as documented in my previous posts on this thread (sources in Hungarian).
They are part of a massive pro-Putin propaganda network as shown in my previous posts here.

originally posted by: Kokatsi


Second, the "tanks sold to Ukraine"' by Hungary turned out to be another hoax manufactured by the Hungarian far right site hidfo.net from California, as documented in my previous posts on this thread (sources in Hungarian).
They are part of a massive pro-Putin propaganda network as shown in my previous posts here.

Thanks for this info.. I heard about it but did not see anyone discussing it.

a reply to: maghun

Are you supporting the 300 year old wish of "western" "puppet masters"?

No, I am simply pointing out that NATO was specifically founded o prevent Soviet aggression. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it ceased to have a purpose. Putin's aggression has renewed its purpose. Wake up! Armed intervention by NATO is now inevitable. You have been cheering the destruction of Eastern Europe. The coming war will make the dissolution of Yugoslavia look like a picnic.

How many EU and US mercenaries are in ukraine now?

I have no idea. Why don't you research that and get back to us?

Have you heard about 58 T-72 tanks sold by Hungary to Czech Republic and "disappeared" somewhere (in ukraine)?

Yes, it's a right wing hoax.

NATO secretly supporting ukraine with weapons?

Doubtful. They will openly supply Ukraine with weapons soon enough.

Regular ukrainian forces:

The Azov Battalion are not "regular Ukrainian forces," they are a paramilitary militia authorized, but not necessarily following orders from, the Kyiv government. Once the Russians are ousted, the civil war between regular Kyiv forces and the Azovites will begin.

a reply to: Kokatsi
Russian was/is/will be the first language on so called ukrainian territory, except Galicia. I am ukrainian and speak only russian, as most of the ukrainians. Why don't vote about EU or NATO in ukraine?

Now western ukrainians murdering eastern ukrainians because they are Russians. What parliament, which law? The junta cannot control the country's border, murdered thousands of political opponents and tens of thousands of their own soldiers. Advanced european democratic country with laws? What are you talking about?

Hoax? Where are the tanks?

originally posted by: maghun
Russian was/is/will be the first language on so called ukrainian territory, except Galicia.

No it wont. Although I do find your hypocrisy as top notch.

originally posted by: maghun
I am ukrainian and speak only russian, as most of the ukrainians. Why don't vote about EU or NATO in ukraine?

A vote is difficult when armed Russian troops occupy the area and a predetermined outcome exists prior to the vote occurring.

Why cant they hold a vote that is inline with the Ukraine constitution? Or is that problematic for people like you because it prohibits a predetermined outcome to the vote? Or is it possible that a large majority of Ukrainians have no desire to be reoccupied by Russia for another 50+ years?

originally posted by: maghun
Now western ukrainians murdering eastern ukrainians because they are Russians.

Russia has consistently failed to produce this evidence to the UN when asked, several times, for it being Putin used it to justify his invasion of Ukraine. Since he cant produce it, maybe you can.

Secondly we have evidence of Pro Russia rebels summarily executing civilians who don't support pro Russian terrorists while using soviet laws from the 1940's to justify the murder of those civilians.

originally posted by: maghun
What parliament, which law? The junta cannot control the country's border, murdered thousands of political opponents and tens of thousands of their own soldiers. Advanced european democratic country with laws? What are you talking about?

What you just described occurred under the occupation of the USSR and recently under Yanukovych.

Please list the thousands of people / political opponents who have been killed.
As for your disdain of laws, you should look at the laws Russia violated, which you support, before throwing that boulder in your glass house.

originally posted by: maghun
Hoax? Where are the tanks?

That's the hoax sparky... There were no tanks. The rumor was started by right wing Putin supporters trying to cause issues with Hungary, Slovakia and Ukraine that would work to Putin's favor.

a reply to: maghun

Ah yes.. A prime example of what Ukraine can look forward to under Russian occupation.


With war under way in Ukraine, Russians don’t like what little they learn

BERLIN — The secret funerals are back. So are motherly measures. As the Ukraine-Russia conflict enters its sixth month, there are signs from inside Russia that the nation’s nerves are beginning to fray.

Evidence of the extent of Russian military involvement in Ukraine has been dribbling out for months. Last week, it reached a level at which Ukrainian and many Western officials finally referred to it as invasion. But recently, from media accounts and more, it also has been leaking into Russia itself, despite an official government policy that what’s happening in Ukraine is all about Ukraine.

Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a Russian dissident who was jailed for a decade and released suddenly last winter by Russian President Vladimir Putin, posted a statement on his website Thursday saying it was time to acknowledge reality. “We are fighting Ukraine — for real,” he wrote. “We are sending soldiers and equipment.”

But, he then asked, why is Russia not publicly acknowledging this? His answer: This effort is nothing more than the latest example of a long-standing tradition.

“All this time our authorities have been lying through their teeth, just like they did about Afghanistan back in the ’80s; and about Chechnya in the ’90s,” he wrote. “Today, they are lying about Ukraine. And while it goes on, we have been burying those on both sides who, until recently, we held as co-workers, friends and family.”

click link for remainder of article...

a reply to: DJW001

Once the Russians are ousted, the civil war between regular Kyiv forces and the Azovites will begin.

Ukrainian (regular army) soldiers decided to go home, they are angry(deserters of 9th battalion):

Azov and Donbass "battalion" hostages(war criminals):

Regular army POWs (they will go home after some work):

Wake up! Armed intervention by NATO is now inevitable.

EU residents are starting to wake up and do not want to fight another war for "nato" or ukrainian "ato". But some hundred Serb, Bulgarian, Slovak, Czech, German and French soldiers decided to fight on the right side...

These are people’s militias, these are not mercenaries or professional soldiers, so they need instruction,” Nikola told RT.

“They really have the motivation, whereas the Kiev army, which is a kind of puppet of NATO, they don’t have any motivation whatsoever,” Nikola said.
“We have seen them before. They are very much unmotivated and they do not really know why they are fighting, and against whom they are fighting, so that is our main strength.”

‘United Continent’: European volunteers fighting Kiev troops in Eastern Ukraine

“Maybe our American colleagues can tell us what tens of American advisers are busy with in the headquarters of National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine [in Kiev]? Let them tell us how many American mercenaries from the so-called “security provider” companies are fighting [in Ukraine], thousands of kilometers from their home ground?” demanded Churkin, not forgetting to mention first-rate US-made armaments observed in Ukrainian units.

Here`s some reasoning about the whole situation :

Washington Piles Lie Upon Lie — Paul Craig Roberts

www.paulcraigroberts.org...

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: maghun
Russian was/is/will be the first language on so called ukrainian territory, except Galicia.

No it wont. Although I do find your hypocrisy as top notch.

9th battalion at home. Ukrainian army personnel. You will not understand it, because it is on ukrainian (or russian?). I'll help you a little: the commander talking to the order refusing soldiers is speaking on Russian. As most residents of the country.

...self-identified independents (29 percent correct) outperformed both Democrats (14 percent correct) and Republicans (15 percent correct). Unsurprisingly, college graduates (21 percent correct) were more likely to know where Ukraine was than non-college graduates (13 percent correct), but even 77 percent of college graduates failed to correctly place Ukraine on a map; the proportion of college grads who could correctly identify Ukraine is only slightly higher than the proportion of Americans who told Pew that President Obama was Muslim in August 2010.

The less Americans know about Ukraine’s location, the more they want U.S. to intervene

Here`s our answer about all the "invasion" talk, US needed an excuse to send in weapons.

It`s always the same, and people still claiming US isn`t an aggressor...

Of course weapons are used for peaceful means, now don`t they ?

Ukraine crisis: US senators urge arms 'to fight Russia'

Leading American senators have called for the US to send weapons to help Ukraine fight what they say is "a Russian invasion".

www.bbc.com...

To clear this tank matter up, the Soviet-made - obsolete - T 72 tanks were bought by the Czech firm Excalibur Defense contractor in March and July . They are supposed to be shipped somewhere in the European Union via the Czech firm, but not to Ukraine. Without repair, they are unable to be engaged in modern warfare anyway. Today they are still waiting in the military town Kalocsa in the middle of the country (not far from the Serbian border).

Source in Hungarian

I don't know why Maghun cites the majority of Ukrainians are Russians. Certainly, all educated Ukrainians speak Russian as that was the language of civilization and industry in their parents' time. TV stations as well as Internet are mostly in Russian. The people in the first video clearly speak Russian mostly, with only some inflections. The question is rather who speaks Russian only and who identifies himself or herself as a Russian national. According to the CIA, 77.8 percent are Ukrainian, 17.3% are Russian. See the map - they are concentrated in the Crimean and the Donyetsk regions.
Ukrainian Russian speakers

a reply to: Kokatsi

CIA poll? Where are the Excalibur tanks?

Ukrainian source. Poll: More than half of Ukrainians favor termination of ATO

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
Here`s our answer about all the "invasion" talk, US needed an excuse to send in weapons.

It`s always the same, and people still claiming US isn`t an aggressor...

Of course weapons are used for peaceful means, now don`t they ?

Ukraine crisis: US senators urge arms 'to fight Russia'

Leading American senators have called for the US to send weapons to help Ukraine fight what they say is "a Russian invasion".

www.bbc.com...

If senators are calling for America to send weapons to Ukraine, it means they have not sent weapons yet! That makes who the aggressor, then?

a reply to: maghun

Thank you for proving my point. "Ethnic Russian" soldiers have proven to be unreliable or even mutinous, which is why Kyiv tolerates the Azov Battalion which, though ultra-nationalist, is at least willing to fight the Russians. Their ranks are swelled by sympathetic neo-Nazis from around the world. Other neo-Nazis believe that defeating European Liberal Democracy is their priority; they are joining the pro-Russia junta.

a reply to: DJW001

According to yout statements you understand nothing.

There is no Russian invasion anymore than there were WMD, mobile weapons labs, aluminum tubes, Sarin gas etc, etc, etc. It’s all BS concocted by a servile media pursuing the agenda of a warmongering political establishment that wants to escalate the conflagration in east Ukraine at all cost. Even if it leads to a Third World War.

Obama’s “Catastrophic Defeat” in Ukraine

“We are currently witnessing an epic and historic event. The Ukrainian regular army and the punitive battalions are suffering a catastrophic defeat to the south of Donetsk…..It still is not quite clear how the Junta intends to avoid a complete defeat here…. By squandering the most combat-capable brigades in systematic offensive operations, the Junta sustained enormous losses and at the same time suffered a crushing, purely military defeat. The southern front has collapsed.”