I thank God for hell

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight



No evil to fight nothing to love except god who is so insecure that he needs constant adoration, how will you spend eternity?
Or perhaps you get to live in a mormon future where every mormon gets to rule their own planet?
Your idea of heaven is pretty boring, in fact I would go as far as to call it hell.
How will you spend eternity if theres no one left to judge?

Srsly? It is estimated that there are (IIRC) 100 billion galaxies in the universe, each with stars and planets like dust for number. I don't really see boredom in my future as one who is to be co-inheritor of all that...praise God!

BTW, there's much more to life than judging everyone around you. Maybe you don't like all of us being beyond all that.

a reply to: borntowatch

You still are an evil judge of mankind. I don't care how you are zealous - it is pitiful. It is a front. You do not walk in the Way of the Lord. You do not have a heart of righteousness - no your are still in delusion. You are still tricked by the devil. You think that you know everything, but in that thought, you prove to know nothing. You claim to see, which is saying that you believe in lies and do not support the truth. You would not claim to be blind, as a servant of the real Christ. No your Christ is a PAGAN Christ - taught to you by the same mankind that you hate and judge to the under world. You are full of sin, full of pride, full of the things God does not like. The real God has no part in your belief system, the real Lord has wrath because you too arrogant to change your ways, you are too prideful to be humble, you are too much of a bad servant to do the things that the real Lord wants you to do. So you have created a grandeur delusion, everything is the opposite in your faith, which is not rare but a reality because - we were taught by absolute liars - the same liars yo still believe in, and yes you won't be happy after wasting so much of an amount of time and effort for someone that is laughing at you for being a fool.

originally posted by: greyer
a reply to: borntowatch

You still are an evil judge of mankind. I don't care how you are zealous - it is pitiful. It is a front. You do not walk in the Way of the Lord. You do not have a heart of righteousness - no your are still in delusion. You are still tricked by the devil. You think that you know everything, but in that thought, you prove to know nothing. You claim to see, which is saying that you believe in lies and do not support the truth. You would not claim to be blind, as a servant of the real Christ. No your Christ is a PAGAN Christ - taught to you by the same mankind that you hate and judge to the under world. You are full of sin, full of pride, full of the things God does not like. The real God has no part in your belief system, the real Lord has wrath because you too arrogant to change your ways, you are too prideful to be humble, you are too much of a bad servant to do the things that the real Lord wants you to do. So you have created a grandeur delusion, everything is the opposite in your faith, which is not rare but a reality because - we were taught by absolute liars - the same liars yo still believe in, and yes you won't be happy after wasting so much of an amount of time and effort for someone that is laughing at you for being a fool.

That's some wild extrapolation about someone you surely know very little of. Are you sure some of your rant does not apply to you, say, humility?

a reply to: Lazarus Short

I don't really see boredom in my future as one who is to be co-inheritor of all that...praise God

Thats debatable and open to interpretation. I am basing my response on the OP, whom I surmise has based his idea of what heaven is all about from Revelations where he will get to be a co-judge with his god. From the tone of their OP they feel like they are suffering as a result of all the suffering and injustice of the world and they will see satisfaction when their fellow humans are judged. That speaks to me of a mentatilty that hasnt moved on from the petty jealous jehovah god (small g) of the Old Testament.

BTW, there's much more to life than judging everyone around you. Maybe you don't like all of us being beyond all that.

Not according to the vitriol from the OP; but I agree that there is more to life. A heaven above as below where there is beauty and love, which I emphasize is already here on Earth. I could go on about how th god of the old testament is not humanities friend, (along with Pauls usurpation of Jesus' message) to no avail. Its up to others to reach some conclusions about the nature of the jehovah beast themselves. The evidence is there, all it takes is understanding and an open mind.

a reply to: borntowatch

Do you really take time to understand what you are saying or thinking?

making assumptions about what hell is,

Either way I am not in charge and dont know the answer, just thankful a just God is.

HOW does the above not sound silly in light of what you said in your OP?

Anyway all those who hate hell, the big bogey man hanging over all Christianity, the big stick that is used to bash unbelievers. Well I love justice and I love Gods plan to bring about His justice.

I think you need to spend a few months away from your fire and brimstone and maybe perhaps getting back to the "love" messages of Jesus...give the jehovah wrath a bit of a break.

a reply to: windword

The wages of is sin is death, period.

...sin is death?

Huh? I didn't get that feeling of your beleifs from the many other threads I see you particpate in.

Thankfully I found out that to sin really means nothing more than "missing the mark"
Now to get back to my sinning and be an imperfect loving human who bows down to no man or anthropomorphised petty vengeful OT jehovah.

originally posted by: greyer
a reply to: borntowatch

You still are an evil judge of mankind. I don't care how you are zealous - it is pitiful. It is a front. You do not walk in the Way of the Lord. You do not have a heart of righteousness - no your are still in delusion. You are still tricked by the devil. You think that you know everything, but in that thought, you prove to know nothing. You claim to see, which is saying that you believe in lies and do not support the truth. You would not claim to be blind, as a servant of the real Christ. No your Christ is a PAGAN Christ - taught to you by the same mankind that you hate and judge to the under world. You are full of sin, full of pride, full of the things God does not like. The real God has no part in your belief system, the real Lord has wrath because you too arrogant to change your ways, you are too prideful to be humble, you are too much of a bad servant to do the things that the real Lord wants you to do. So you have created a grandeur delusion, everything is the opposite in your faith, which is not rare but a reality because - we were taught by absolute liars - the same liars yo still believe in, and yes you won't be happy after wasting so much of an amount of time and effort for someone that is laughing at you for being a fool.

Why do you come to that conclusion. If I believed you were right, though I see no evidence, I would change.

All you have done is condemn me and offered no reason.

Do I deny hell? No.
Do I dent justice? No.

Do I deny Gods perfect plan? No
Though I think the idea of hell is repulsive, should i deny Gods plan, pretend its not His plan,pretend I know better.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight

I think you need to spend a few months away from your fire and brimstone and maybe perhaps getting back to the "love" messages of Jesus...give the jehovah wrath a bit of a break.

Or maybe I think the message of grace for all and no accountability is something many in todays church need to consider, be challenged about.
and maybe I think that to many deny hell and molly coddle people in to a false security

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
Are you sure some of your rant does not apply to you, say, humility?

There is a HUGE difference between judging the mind and soul of another person, and sharing your opinions with another person.

Here is another teaching for you, young student. Pride is different than wrath. Pride repels humility, but wrath does not.

Every morning that I wake, sometime before I get out of bed, tears fall down my cheek. The pain of life, the pain of love, flows throughout my body from my feet to my head. Emptiness, or even more than emptiness, filled with pain from the harsh cruel world of physical reality. From the choirs of heaven singing to the God of Truth, from the eternal love of Christ forever in me, the separation of physical reality and spiritual is the essence of pain. From head to toe, I am hurting. Deep down in my soul, I am hurting. Deep in my mind, I am hurting. I can no longer think because of the pain. I can no longer see because of the pain, it has blinded me. Every part of my being, hurts. I sing praise to the God of Heaven and give all of my heart, even when the love has been filled with so much hurt than I cannot even get out of bed, weak with no energy. Never will I judge another soul, never will I have any negative feelings for another soul. I understand the duality between heaven and earth. When my Lord saves me, I fall, then my Lord picks me ups again - then I fall, into the deepest sadness ever possible, then the Lord is riding by the Seat of Heaven on chariots of fire (modern times UFO).

Rant? Maybe it was in the form of a rant. I am giving my soul to you. I am giving all of my truth, to you. Explain where the lack of humility is?

originally posted by: borntowatch
Why do you come to that conclusion. If I believed you were right, though I see no evidence, I would change.

All you have done is condemn me and offered no reason.

Do I deny hell? No.
Do I dent justice? No.

Do I deny Gods perfect plan? No
Though I think the idea of hell is repulsive, should i deny Gods plan, pretend its not His plan,pretend I know better.

Brother, Christ did not say things that Christ 'thought,' Christ said things that Christ 'knew.' You are exalting yourself as God. That is not the Way, and is not Holy but the Way for the False Prophet. Christ did not ever condemn anybody - remember he ate dinner with sinners, remember he didn't even condemn those who took his life FOR THE WRONG REASONS, FOR BEING RIGHTEOUS. it was Isaiah and the Old Testament which may have condemned people into eternal hell.

Within Christ we know that it is only the Fathers decision, we literally have no apart in it at all, the only part is our direct relationship with the Eternal and showing that to mother earth. The Truth of Truths will prevail over the secret evil deeds of men, the secret and sacred wisdom prevails over the secret knowledge of evil, because wisdom is from God and evil is from rejecting God, although in most cases unknowingly.

The reason why I came to my conclusion is not because of you, but it is because of all the other people behind you. I do not flaw you for believing a lie, but I do flaw the people who started the lie in the first place. I am sorry that the Christian Christ of the world is Pagan, when my dad passed away, I felt from his spirit an anger and this anger was from being lied to, because he was a dedicated Christian. Well it is the Devil's happiness to trick people, so when people do religious practices that are meant to stray away from the true Christ, thinking they are doing them to be closer to the divine Christ, it is realizing that we have been fooled to really worship the devil. Well as a true Christian you can see why a person would be mad at the people who started the lie in the first place. I am sorry but the virgin birth of Christ is a lie. Easter is a lie, it is a 100% Pagan practice giving praise to astronomy - that is why Easter falls on different days each year, the name Easter came from, Ishtar - the Babylonian wife of the sun god and king Nimrod who made the trinity far before the time of Christ. This is a giant problem, that nobody knows the truth because of so many lies. Actually aliens from outer space, you will call me crazy now, but I wondered why did they follow the occult? Why aren't aliens Christians? Why did the Catholic priest quit after translating the Dead Sea Scrolls? The only thin you can believe in for sure is that we have been lied to on a grand scale. Christ was really an important part of the Dead Sea Scroll community - a Jewish community, and Christ would have been completely surprised or even outraged at how the Christian religion came to be. Yes it exalted his name but took everything of his out besides keeping some teachings, then all the lies were made around that. So we have to find the correct teachings first, before we make such religious beliefs.

In the New Testament, it does support the idea that hell is no longer eternal - which means it is COMPLETELY up to the Father to decide how spirits are going to be treated, and there could be a way out somehow after being in hell.

I shall speak out freely, and I shall express my various sayings among you (...) (.. those who would understand parables and riddles, and those who would penetrate the origins of knowledge, along with those who hold fast to the wonderful mysteries ...) (...) those who walk in simplicity as well as those who are devious in every activity of the deeds of humanity

Parables in the Dead Sea Scrolls? Parables in the New testament? Do not believe what people tell you!

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
I think you need to spend a few months away from your fire and brimstone and maybe perhaps getting back to the "love" messages of Jesus...

A "love" message would not be a message of love unless it contained the truth.

God always warns people ahead of time.

Jesus said more about hell than about any other topic.

In fact, more than half of his parables relate to the eternal judgment of sinners.

The reason for this is because He knew that very few are going to make it to Heaven...

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." ~ Matthew 7.13-14

On August 3, 1979, Howard Pittman, a Baptist minister for 35 years, died while on the operating table during surgery and had a near-death experience.

Instead of allowing me to enter, the angel stationed me before the Gates, slightly to one side. He instructed me to stay there and watch as the saints were permitted to enter into Heaven. This point was so important that the Holy Spirit told me Himself. I watched the fifty saints enter Heaven, but the point I missed was the time frame involved.

It was explained to me that at the same time those fifty saints died on Earth, 1,950 other humans also died; or only 50 out of 2000 made it into Heaven. That other 1,950 were not there. Where were they? That was only 2 ½ percent going to Heaven! Ninety seven point five percent did not make it! Is that representative of the entire world today? If so, 97 ½ percent of the population of this world today is not ready to meet God.

Placebo by Howard Pittman

Christians in Hell

The two angels escorted me to Hell. I then saw many pastors, elders, and deacons in Hell. I asked the angel, “I know them. They had served God faithfully while on the Earth. They had died some time ago. We all had thought they were in Heaven with God. But now, I see them all in Hell and they are crying out that it is so hot! Why are they here?” There were so many pastors, elders, deacons and all other lay believers.

The angel answered, “Pastor Park Yong Gyu, a person can appear to be a true follower of Christ on the outside but God knows the heart.

There are multitudes of churches on the Earth and many of the churches are filled with many people. However, most of them are not true Christians. They are but church attendants. The true churches will firmly believe in Heaven and a Hell. The lives of many Christians are in chaos because they do not firmly believe in Heaven and Hell. When one soul enters Heaven, one thousand cursed souls enter Hell. The rate of Heaven and Hell is 1 to 1000.” (Matt 7:14)

Heaven & Hell 1000 to 1

Bishop Wilfred Lai is the founder and senior Pastor of Jesus Celebration Center in Mombasa, Kenya and it is a church of over 15,000 members. One day he asked the Lord how many of them were ready for heaven and the Lord told him only 200. Only 1% of that church is going to heaven! Dr. Lai said that some pastors have created large groups of sinners meeting in the name of God. “What you have are not churches, but large congregations of sinners.”

Message from Pastor Wilfred Lai

Jesus explained, “Sesame! In order for someone to be saved, they must believe and receive me sincerely deep into their hearts, but most importantly it is crucial to have a sincere heart and mind. Many who have received me end up in hell, because during the prayer of confession they simply recited the prayer without sincerity!”

Jesus also said, “Many profess they have accepted and proclaimed me into their hearts, and with their mouths believe that they are saved, since they’ve believed in me for a long time, but, it is not the length of time that determines your salvation. It is the process of bearing fruits in your character that leads you closer to attaining salvation.

Many believe blindly the incorrect teaching that simply reciting with their mouths will guarantee their salvation -- and are under an illusion that they will go to heaven. Salvation should be realized through fear and trembling and each individual must grow in sincere faith.” Jesus is heartbroken and frustrated that so many souls end up in hell because they believed erroneously.

Source

originally posted by: greyer

There is a HUGE difference between judging the mind and soul of another person, and sharing your opinions with another person.

Here is another teaching for you, young student. Pride is different than wrath. Pride repels humility, but wrath does not.

Every morning that I wake, sometime before I get out of bed, tears fall down my cheek. The pain of life, the pain of love, flows throughout my body from my feet to my head. Emptiness, or even more than emptiness, filled with pain from the harsh cruel world of physical reality. From the choirs of heaven singing to the God of Truth, from the eternal love of Christ forever in me, the separation of physical reality and spiritual is the essence of pain. From head to toe, I am hurting. Deep down in my soul, I am hurting. Deep in my mind, I am hurting. I can no longer think because of the pain. I can no longer see because of the pain, it has blinded me. Every part of my being, hurts. I sing praise to the God of Heaven and give all of my heart, even when the love has been filled with so much hurt than I cannot even get out of bed, weak with no energy. Never will I judge another soul, never will I have any negative feelings for another soul. I understand the duality between heaven and earth. When my Lord saves me, I fall, then my Lord picks me ups again - then I fall, into the deepest sadness ever possible, then the Lord is riding by the Seat of Heaven on chariots of fire (modern times UFO).

Rant? Maybe it was in the form of a rant. I am giving my soul to you. I am giving all of my truth, to you. Explain where the lack of humility is?

"Young student"? Oh, I like that, I'm 64, retired, but still a student of sorts.

This forum has a fairly vast membership, unlike some I am a member of with a membership of

Double post, but my full post refuses to show up.

This forum has a fairly vast membership, unlike some I am a member of with a membership of less than 500. We do not know each other very well, not even slightly well. Courtesy, decorum, and manners are important. I read your post and understand your pain. I am mostly numb, myself. Nevertheless, deny ignorance and the darkness of this world, please, by treating your fellow ATS'ers well. I just thought you tore into that one fellow with more vehemence than required. Lighten up! Our lives, this very world are temporal. Smile on your brother, as the song says...

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Dear LightConstructor,

"So a bit like Brave New World where the slave/sheep are fed Soma, or more along the lines a Roger Waters Another Brick in The Wall.
I dont like to wear 2 uniform coloured socks, I like to wear one blue and one red. Where in your world do I fit in?"

All in all, you're just another voice in the crowd. (Do you see what I did there?)

As long as you keep off the grass you won't be mistaken for a loonie.

And if you dare to wear a black sock with a blue,

You shall suffer the punishment for your challenge to normality.

Or you may be the vanguard of a new revolution that frees humanity.

I look forward to saluting your assault on tradition

If not simply your clash of socks.

originally posted by: greyer
a reply to: borntowatch

You still are an evil judge of mankind. I don't care how you are zealous - it is pitiful. It is a front. You do not walk in the Way of the Lord. You do not have a heart of righteousness - no your are still in delusion. You are still tricked by the devil. You think that you know everything, but in that thought, you prove to know nothing. You claim to see, which is saying that you believe in lies and do not support the truth. You would not claim to be blind, as a servant of the real Christ. No your Christ is a PAGAN Christ - taught to you by the same mankind that you hate and judge to the under world. You are full of sin, full of pride, full of the things God does not like. The real God has no part in your belief system, the real Lord has wrath because you too arrogant to change your ways, you are too prideful to be humble, you are too much of a bad servant to do the things that the real Lord wants you to do. So you have created a grandeur delusion, everything is the opposite in your faith, which is not rare but a reality because - we were taught by absolute liars - the same liars yo still believe in, and yes you won't be happy after wasting so much of an amount of time and effort for someone that is laughing at you for being a fool.

Well I can tell by the tone of your email that we are a cute little couple with the same attitude.
You are no different to me then

Thats ok, Christianity is about growing

originally posted by: pheonix358
Check the travel brochures before planning a trip. Sound like a dangerous place.

If you think that hell is a democracy, you are in for a VERY rude awakening.

There are no shotgun weddings in Heaven...

He isn't going to FORCE anyone to go there against their own will.

Melisa: But surely no one would choose that if they knew you really existed?

Jesus: Not so, nobody goes into hell blindfolded. In one way or another, I've revealed myself to everyone.

Melisa: But if they could just see you...

Jesus: Not even that would be enough. Look at satan, he stood before me in the very throne room of God. But he thought the beauty and the power bestowed was somehow earned. Gave himself over to pride. Scratch any sin and just below the surface you'll find pride...

Jesus: "I'm a gentleman Nick, I'll never force myself on you or anyone. Nick, what would be more unjust and unfair, for me to steal you at the moment of your death and force you to live in my presence and in my will for all eternity. Hell on the other hand is a place where you'll be completely free from all of my "though shalt nots"... FOREVER."

Jesus: Everyone dies, Nick, but not everyone needs to fear death. If you abide in me, you’ll be stepping free from this fallen world and into glory.

Melissa: Is that what heaven’s like? Glory?

Jesus: It’s more than glory, Melissa. It’s peace and love and joy. Can you imagine living in the fullness of the warmth of God’s light? There are no words in the human vocabulary that can describe it. It’s a place where there is no suffering. It’s a place where every tear is wiped from your eyes. There’s no sadness. There’s no pain. And you know, Melissa, one day you and I will walk on the streets of gold and we’ll talk about this night together."

a reply to: Murgatroid

Did you post that quote from that movie in Jest or out of seriousness? Oh how I forgot how horrible christian entertainment is, along with its horrible doctrine of eternal torment.

originally posted by: borntowatch
Well I can tell by the tone of your email that we are a cute little couple with the same attitude.
You are no different to me then

Thats ok, Christianity is about growing

Even in my tone of being a know-it-all I still see a sin in my writing. Because it seems that I am fooled, but the root of being fooled is so vast that if I get it 80% right there is still the remainder.

The biggest form of any of my teaching is to not judge, so if someone comes who has obvious signs they have to be ignored in respect to the rule of not judging. I do not feel any type of godliness as I did when I came on here before. Our mind cannot sustain a true divinity it seems. In fact I am more and more let down because of the way Christianity was formed, are you familiar with that? Dec 25th and Easter are not of Christ - there is no way that Christ just happened to fall on all the pagan stuff. The water into wine story was a story that was around for hundreds of years before. The people wrote the gospels decades after because they couldn't be tied to putting paganism into scripture, so all Christians who testify aer really testifying to the devil.

It leads us to the question of, was there a Christ? It brings us to the dead sea scrolls, and that is where I am studying.

Why? I hate injustice, evil and people who carry on in their Sin with no remorse or feelings of regret. Think of all the evil being done, all the people who dont feel the burden of righteousness, those who will never face human justice. Human justice, how does human justice balance the scale, how does a mass murderer, rapist, sexual predator atone on earth? How do those who suffer face mans evils, how do they get justice. Who is the judge here to meter out fair justice. What of those who escape justice, the rich, the cunning and the protected.

I hate injustice too, my fellow human being. But what defines ''sin''? Everything that goes against the ones stated in the bible?

The bible is against sexual engagement before marriage and homosexuality. But in what account do people whom have sex before marriage and/or be homosexual have any negative impact on society and/or you? I can agree on that murder is a sin and should be punished accordingly so, but homosexuality? Sexual curiosity?

It doesn't take biblical believe to be against murder or rape. Basic values and standards teach us that these things are wrong. Relying on some sort of dictatorial, irrational ''God'' to take care of these matters only does more injustice. What is needed is not an imaginary justice which happily makes us think that every evil non repented sinner will get what he deserves after death, but actual real, observable, factual justice in THIS lifetime.

originally posted by: arpgme

originally posted by: borntowatch
I could say we can only live in hope you are right, but then that would be a judgement, so Gods will be done.

Eternal punishment for a temporary crime is not justice.

A crime against the eternal God is an eternal crime.