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originally posted by: borntowatch
Hinduism as I understand teaches that we are all part of god, thats an interesting concept.
1 John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1 John 4:16
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
originally posted by: borntowatch
My issue is justice, my God is a God of Justice, your god is a breeze, a mistral, travelling anywhere and everywhere, directionless.
1 John 5:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
originally posted by: borntowatch
My God has a purpose and plan for humanity, yours has nothing to offer but a mouse wheel existence.
Life then death, learning, life then death, learning, life then death. If your life was poor, you are born into a worse life, that you deserve. Endless, no escape.
Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
originally posted by: borntowatch
No you are welcome to believe what you choose, but our gods are not the same. Mine is a single God, apart from me,
originally posted by: borntowatch
who will judge the living and the dead for their actions on this planet.
There will be rewards and punishments
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Matthew 5:7
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Luke 6:36
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
So by this I have to take it you mean that Satan owns the earth, and not God.
How could satan offer God what was already His?
In Ezra 1, it says:
"Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”
This is a reference to John 14:2.
As I understand it
Jesus has gone to prepare a place for those who serve Him, Jesus is talking to those who call Him Lord and Saviour, not everyone on earth.
None of us are in God's presence to start with, in order to be "sent away".
. . . I think there is a place called hell and those outside of Christ (many Christians as well), will be sent away from Gods presence.
Read the second part of Romans 3, where Paul goes to a lot of trouble arguing that God is just despite not destroying people who do not keep the law as it was understood by the Jews.
and finally, its not my solution,its a solution I accept because I believe God is just
originally posted by: ctophil
a reply to: borntowatch
Let me clarify to you that I am not with any religion on Earth. However, my teachings are Universal and can have attributes from all religions and from no religions at all. Do not make comparisons between "my God" and "your God," for there is no difference. We are all ONE. The idea of separation from God is a Dualistic nature--the mentality of Good and Evil. It is true that we live in a Good and Evil world. This is because in the 3rd and 4th Dimensions, God has been split into Dual aspects, where in Heaven (the 5th Dimension and higher), there is ONLY ONE. We are still ONE, but the illusory separation allows us to learn how to merge the ONE Great Spirit back into Unity Consciousness. It is our Grand Lesson and Most important mission on physical Earth. Remember, there is only ONE Great Spirit Moving into All of Creation.
Remember that "punishment" and "judgement" are from the Mind of Man, not the Mind of God. When we came here, our Mind has developed an Ego System that can only think in Good and Evil, Left and Right, White and Black. Within the Mind of God, there is no such thing as good nor evil. It is an existence of Purity and Oneness. It just is. It just be.
originally posted by: borntowatch
a reply to: arpgme
So God isnt going to be judge and hold man accountable for their sin
Thats a interesting concept
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
Remember this:
God's justice was to send His Son to die for us.
Two questions:
After Death and Hell (the grave, actually) have been cast into the Lake of Fire (as stated in the Revelation), how can anyone be dead and in hell?
If most of humanity is in Hell forever, how can God ever become All in all (as stated in the Bible)?
originally posted by: borntowatch
Anyway you should find some valid scripture and start a thread
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Lazarus Short
Nicely put
I am in complete agreement
Borntowatch I am thankful for hell also. Its just that I see hell as the refining fire of God's presence that burns away all the wood, hay, stubble, dross, evil, darkness (fire was a main source of light), disease (fire and brimstone are used to purify)… so that God may be All in All.
God demonstrates His righteousness by providing for humanity a way that they can become righteous, which is through faith in Jesus.
God's justice was to send His Son to die for us.
The literal "grave" is where the physical body goes, where it no longer needs to breath air.
After Death and Hell (the grave, actually) have been cast into the Lake of Fire (as stated in the Revelation), how can anyone be dead and in hell?
the judgement would be pointless with out a sentence.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: borntowatch
the judgement would be pointless with out a sentence.
A sentence would be pointless without a period.
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: borntowatch
the judgement would be pointless with out a sentence.
A sentence would be pointless without a period.
Yes, a sentence without a period would never end...
Unless of course it ended with a ! or a ? that is
originally posted by: borntowatch
a reply to: Lazarus Short
Jesus was human and He died, three days latter He returned.
Christians wait for the bodily resurrection.
I believe some what different to you in that there is more to this earth and what we comprehend.
Hell is real and many will be sent there.
In the Garden were two trees.
The one of knowledge of good and evil, the other
God said He was righteous and He will judge, the judgement would be pointless with out a sentence.
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
Further, yes God is a Judge, and more righteous than you or I can imagine. Being so, can you reconcile perfect righteousness with a sentence of endless punishment for temporal sins?
originally posted by: windword
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: borntowatch
the judgement would be pointless with out a sentence.
A sentence would be pointless without a period.
Yes, a sentence without a period would never end...
Unless of course it ended with a ! or a ? that is
Ah.....Of course, but, a "!" and a "?" both, fortunately, contain periods, so we don't have to do this for eternity. Thank Odin for punctuation.......