Just....Stop.

There are those whom believe in the invisible man in the sky who have access to the means to begin the wars of mutually assured destruction. Those people believe this life doesn't matter much, that they will be forgiven of all trespass simply by asking forgivness of this invisible man in the sky.

All will be forgiven in the magical sky land, so why should it matter what happens here?

That's why religion needs to be stamped down.

Now, I'm going to say "thank you" when any religious folk offer me a blessing, I'm not going to hate you if you're religious. I will, however, think you're sorely misguided.

Its not about being offended by a show of faith, it's about the objection to discrimination based on faith (or the lack of it) that has meant that Christians (or any other religious group) now play the victims whenever it's pointed out.

.....and you seem to agree with their victim mentality.

i always wondered what an athiest thinks about when humans create life like such as in a lab. Or when we will teraform planets.

Have you researched much into synthetic biology?

If humans can create life, What does that mean for our own uncertain origins?
I'm sure it's easy to argue with people who view life metaphysically.

But in reality, Creationism defines all. Living organic, Ideas concepts, And the mere fact blending results in predetermined outcomes. Like hydrogen and oxygen making water.

Now i'm not saying that the universe is consiously observing our every move. That's overextimating consiousness.
Consiousness blooms locally, Which means the universe only expressed *life* at different stages in different places made of different substances

I don't need a bible. But anyone who reads the bible knows that the old religion will be tossed for a religion of truth.
I can't speak on their behalf because i don't associate myself with that lump. Being an E.T witness has its effects on a person.

But besides all that, Evolution is real. For sure 100%. Just its not a determining factor in origins of all life because life can be seeded. Where Intelligent design becomes the origin, Of cour evolution is used as tools as well and occures without I.D (Intelligent design)

But as for the anti- religious Athiests LOL.
Science unfortunately will be holding the truth hand in hand. Not sure about religious scriptures, But the idea of the soul and spirituality/morality wisdom and consiquences. there's not much Athiests can do, With the push for quantum theories. The idea of the non spiritual person is slowly being pushed out of a society seeking answers in a world with increasing violence and melecholy.

a reply to: AnuTyr

Care to give a definitive definition for 'spirituality'?

Because I'm fairly sure that every single ATS member that has ever existed and will ever exist, will have a different definition for that word.....

a reply to: DAVID64

I could talk about my hate for Italics, but I don't want to offend any Italians.

The thing is that atheists and theists have more in common than they'd like to admit-both are stubborn, dismissive folk who would rather eat carpet than to entertain the idea that the other side might have a valid point. Atheists could learn a thing or two about the values that the bible teaches, and the devotees could learn a thing or two about scientific process.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: DAVID64

I could talk about my hate for Italics, but I don't want to offend any Italians.

The thing is that atheists and theists have more in common than they'd like to admit-both are stubborn, dismissive folk who would rather eat carpet than to entertain the idea that the other side might have a valid point. Atheists could learn a thing or two about the values that the bible teaches, and the devotees could learn a thing or two about scientific process.

You're either one or the other.......as atheists are merely people that aren't theists.....

Now you can get down off your horse.

You're either one or the other.......as atheists are merely people that aren't theists.....

a reply to: Prezbo369

As much as I'd like to go back in time where people deal in absolutes as you do, I can't.

Now you can get down off your horse.

And what is the name of your thoroughbred?

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
As much as I'd like to go back in time where people deal in absolutes as you do, I can't.

Do you believe in a god?

If the answer is 'Yes' you're a theist.

If the answer is anything else (including 'I don't know') then you're atheist (without the belief in a god).

And what is the name of your thoroughbred?

a reply to: DAVID64

I agree, though I am a believer.

"It's not fair!" Cries the atheist!

I wonder if atheists really want an equal playing field. No bias towards race, religion, gender, sexual preference.

a reply to: Prezbo369

You do come across as stubborn and dismissive and as someone who would rather eat carpet than entertain the idea that anyone but yourself might have a valid point. You just played right into the posters hand on that one. That is priceless

a reply to: DAVID64

Well said, it almost seems like some people are jealous in that others have acquired faith and a peace of mind.

But then again hatters just got to hate sometimes, and take it out on everyone around them.

By the way, I don't believe in Gods and Devils, but I sure don't have a problem if there is something that makes SOME people better and more caring, not in a world full of hate and division and only getting worse.

The reason this discount for Christians is becoming an issue is because it's discrimination. Christian = discount, while everyone else pays full price. Can you imagine if this were going on with race? What if Chinese restaurants offered discounts to Chinese and no one else?

But, but, but... I'm being persecuted!

I think I've said this a thousand times by now. A lot of people really need to understand the difference between personal private property (your home) and owning a public business (still private property but with conditions). Learn about Public Accommodation and what business owners agree to with their town, city, state when they open a business.

a reply to: Kali74

Interesting to see that you aren't for affirmative action.

originally posted by: Fargoth
a reply to: Prezbo369

You do come across as stubborn and dismissive and as someone who would rather eat carpet than entertain the idea that anyone but yourself might have a valid point. You just played right into the posters hand on that one. That is priceless

If you have a valid point, then by all means make it....because I don't think you actually read the OP...

originally posted by: Battleline
By the way, I don't believe in Gods and Devils, but I sure don't have a problem if there is something that makes SOME people better and more caring, not in a world full of hate and division and only getting worse.

You don't need religion to be a caring person....but you do need it to stone people to death, suicide bomb town centers or decapitate non believers.

Religion is the most divisive force/concept the world has ever known.

a reply to: Prezbo369

Obviously your idea of subtlety is different to mine. If you didn't get the thouroughbred joke then it went over your head, not mine.

originally posted by: Prezbo369
Its not about being offended by a show of faith, it's about the objection to discrimination based on faith (or the lack of it) that has meant that Christians (or any other religious group) now play the victims whenever it's pointed out.

.....and you seem to agree with their victim mentality.

Absolutely.

If somebody (including myself) wants to believe in the invisible man in the sky.

Why should anyone care ?

To me Religion's are like Amway. The product is great.

It's the salesmen that are all screwed up.

To fight over what can only be known after death. Is a monumental waste of time.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Everything goes over this ones head