President Obama signs $8.7 billion food stamp cut into law

a reply to: jrod

Yes, Poor JRod was unfairly busted for a DUI.....And this is the mentality of most that are fine with accepting welfare.

The poor me mentality.

originally posted by: jrod


I passed my E-5 exam after being in for 2.5 years, had I not got my DUI I would have been an AT2. Instead I got busted down to E-3. I played the alcohol rehab game for a few months before I could not take the BS, they expected me to go to 3 AA meetings a week and feel sorry for myself and admit that I have some bogus incurable disease.

Ahhh, so you did in fact fail the course. So much for following orders.
Yea, I really would give my left nut to go back and watch you attempt to make it in the Marines.

originally posted by: jrod
I am a free thinker and a free soul, I could not take the BS anymore and was extremely depressed and told my OIC I wanted out, 2 weeks later I signed my walking papers. Had I known my DD-214 was going to say Alcohol Rehab failure I would have done things differently to get discharged, like fighting because that would not look so bad on my DD-214.

A "free thing and free soul".....Now that I would give my right nut for to watch you tell that to anyone in the Marines.

originally posted by: jrod
Keep it up guys, keep trying to paint me as a blacksheep when I am more patriotic and a much finer warrior than you brainwashed fools will ever be.

Cool story bro.

originally posted by: jrod


I did not loose my clearance because of my DUI, it does not work like that. I paid my fines and that is all that matters. I no longer have a clearance now because of bad credit which is often more important for a Security clearance than being arrested.

Poor credit is more for classified and secret clearances. Top secret and the above is heavy into your background, lifestyle and such.

originally posted by: jrod
Navy Seals and EOD all require a Top Secret. If they were to loose there clearance over a DUI, then we would have no Special OPs.

And you were neither of them.
And they have higher then TS...

originally posted by: jrod
Amazing that a 'washout' like me knows much more about the military rank structure, security clearances, ect.. than you guys.

edit on 10-9-2014 by jrod because: George W. Bush was arrested for a DUI and coc aine possestion, Dick Cheney has several DUIs, but go ahead and label me a loser

You mean like what a First Sergeant is???

a reply to: jrod

I have found in my life and travels that people who drop terms like "SPEC-OPS" and go on and on about how high they scored on such and such test.....99% of the time have never been or had such things.

And if you would have scored that high, the Navy would have pushed you into the Nuclear program...not diagnosing avionics. Aircraft avionics is about as lowly on the electrical side of the Military house as it gets.
www.military.com...

What was your ASVAB score again??

a reply to: jrod

So, here is an easy question that anyone in Comms in the Military would know.

What is the name of those phones used for Crypto Calls??
Since you worked Crypto, you should know this.

Since I worked Comms, I worked on them.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: NavyDoc

BTW because I have been labeled an addict by your POS Navy, I can not obtain a captain license despite years of sea time.

I am in control of my life not you. Telling me how to live my life is not advice, never will I ever have a normal job, it is not in my nature. I can promise you I am not lazy and quite capable of drowning most of the SPEC OP guys.

My life, I will live it how I choose NOT the way you and the other brainwashed souls tell me to.

Where have I said I have refused to work. Being unable to hold a steady job is NOT the same as refusing to work.

I wish you were my OIC when I was in, I can assure you I gladly taken the punishment to bait you into a fight, you are the kind of hot head who would fall for it and be charged with Conduct Unbecoming.

Yet this "independent and self reliant soul" requires the largess of the taxpayers to eat. LOL.

Bait into a fight? LOL. Not at all. I'd sit back and laugh at a yet another dumbass E-3 (twice!) malcontent who thinks he's special.

a reply to: jrod
Well, you have now stated you did Crypto...

Crypto is about mid to higher level requirements for ASVAB and such.

But...if scoring in the 99th, the Navy would have pushed you into the Nuclear Program.

originally posted by: macman
Basically, even starts out by getting a trophy, and then you work your way up from there….well, I didn’t mean work. You are given other medals along the way to about 30, then bitch about those getting the bright shiny medals and get brought into the 40s by people like Sharpton and such.

Where did I ever say that? I just believe we should have in place the infrastructure for people to be able to afford to live if employed, eat, and have a system in place to reasonably improve themselves if they put the time in. I would prefer all of those things to be done without government spending, but I'm not ideologically married to that point like you are. To give an example that was brought up earlier in this thread, no longer paying farmers to not grow food. That would go a long way to reducing the need for food stamps as well as wage stagnation in general.

I guess for jobs you are doing, skill is not required

I perform skilled work such as tutoring college classes and in some cases teaching them. That doesn't somehow mean the job is going to pay more. 15% of all work done in this country is at minimum wage and much more is done just slightly above minimum wage.

Investment huh…thought Govt wasn’t supposed to be run like a business.

So only businesses can invest?

So, you are paid, or not paid, for the lack of experience. Not my problem….all on you.

Sure, I've made the choice to temporarily live somewhere that doesn't have a career path for me. That's not the problem, the problem is that other jobs aren't available either and even when I do take a career path the jobs still don't exist. The only solution is to run ones own business and create a job but we've already been over the success rates for that (though they're still higher than actually getting a job from someone else).

That’s because you live where the jobs are not.
Again, you made a choice with Pros and Conns. Time to live with your decision.

And if I somehow moved today and got a job I won't have the education to do the job I actually want to do. What you're suggesting is to sacrifice a future for the needs of the present. That doesn't lead to an economically strong country down the road.

You have got to be kidding….
I truly can’t offer anything else except “you have got to be kidding”.

Then we disagree.

So, now you state willfully that politicians don’t pander to their voting base, with handout promises and such..
And both Dems and Reps do this. It is the result of Progressives infecting the Govt.

Pandering is generally done more through corporate kickbacks and bridges to nowhere... basically fake job creation and corporate bribery. Welfare programs don't seriously contribute.

Yep, gotta love those excuses for bigger Govt.

If that's what you call bigger government then sure, sometimes big isn't bad.

SO, 52% is what everyone should pay in taxes??? Okay, so Socialist or Communist comes to mind, but the Progressive statement still stands.

As a starting point sure, you'll notice I also mentioned periodically adjusting it in order to figure out where the left/right is on the curve. Reagan showed it was below 70%, and both Reagan and Bush agreed it was above 35%, 52% seems like a perfectly reasonable starting point. There's a condition at the end of that tax rate though, if we can fund the government with less than that amount then we can tax less.

So, more Progressive based ideals that grant the Govt the ability to FORCE people to do more of what those in Govt want.
Brilliant. I guess you also wiped your ass with the Constitution and BoR after your daily bowl movement.

How is that progressive? It's a flat tax/consumption tax, the very definition of a regressive tax. The forcing companies onto the exchange is only because if we didn't companies would jump ship to other nations stock exchanges in order to circumvent the 1% tax (there's currently a .0003% tax and it had tremendous pushback from the investment bankers). The best leverage the US has in regards to our economy is access to the marketplace. We should take advantage of that to fix our economy.

Sure sure. I guess Google results for something more in-depth would require more time on your part.

I actually wrote it rather than copied a Google result, but you never asked for any application of it even though I've explained things in those terms already in previous replies.

originally posted by: Aazadan

Where did I ever say that? I just believe we should have in place the infrastructure for people to be able to afford to live if employed, eat, and have a system in place to reasonably improve themselves if they put the time in. I would prefer all of those things to be done without government spending, but I'm not ideologically married to that point like you are. To give an example that was brought up earlier in this thread, no longer paying farmers to not grow food. That would go a long way to reducing the need for food stamps as well as wage stagnation in general.

Just because the Govt defers spending money on one thing, doesn’t then give it justification to spend that money elsewhere. That money belongs to the taxpayer.
And not being married to an ideal is your first problem.
You have no principals, which leads you to the Progressive mentality. Basically if it feels good, do it and don’t judge anyone else.
Nope…..

originally posted by: Aazadan
I perform skilled work such as tutoring college classes and in some cases teaching them. That doesn't somehow mean the job is going to pay more. 15% of all work done in this country is at minimum wage and much more is done just slightly above minimum wage.

And that means what??

originally posted by: Aazadan

So only businesses can invest?

Yeah, as that is the basis of a business.
Govt was not created to “invest” into anything. There is your second problem. Looking to Govt to solve issues and make life easier.

originally posted by: Aazadan
Sure, I've made the choice to temporarily live somewhere that doesn't have a career path for me. That's not the problem, the problem is that other jobs aren't available either and even when I do take a career path the jobs still don't exist. The only solution is to run ones own business and create a job but we've already been over the success rates for that (though they're still higher than actually getting a job from someone else).

Wrong…I provided you a list of jobs in the Columbus area. There are jobs. You identified earlier that you don’t live there, so you can’t get a job there.
You choose to live where you do. It has a con of not having a large employment basis, but has cheap living.
YOU and YOU alone chose this.

originally posted by: Aazadan
And if I somehow moved today and got a job I won't have the education to do the job I actually want to do. What you're suggesting is to sacrifice a future for the needs of the present. That doesn't lead to an economically strong country down the road.

Gee, what I state, and you retorted with is being an adult. Being a man child and blaming the world for your woes hasn’t gotten you very far, but I guess you won’t change anything and will be in the same situation you are on for years to come.

originally posted by: Aazadan

Then we disagree.

Well that is obvious.

originally posted by: Aazadan
Pandering is generally done more through corporate kickbacks and bridges to nowhere... basically fake job creation and corporate bribery. Welfare programs don't seriously contribute.

Oh, give it a rest. It happens on all fronts.
You’re just being willfully ignorant to it.

originally posted by: Aazadan

If that's what you call bigger government then sure, sometimes big isn't bad.

Expect that the Govt was created to do that.

originally posted by: Aazadan
As a starting point sure, you'll notice I also mentioned periodically adjusting it in order to figure out where the left/right is on the curve. Reagan showed it was below 70%, and both Reagan and Bush agreed it was above 35%, 52% seems like a perfectly reasonable starting point. There's a condition at the end of that tax rate though, if we can fund the government with less than that amount then we can tax less.

Okay, so I think that there really is nothing else to discuss. You’re a person with Progressive ideals that believes people should have their earning pilfered by the Govt, and handed out to others. The thing that drives that is envy and greed. You envy those that have more than you, and are far more greedy than those rich evil people are, as you want more and more. You just want the Govt to do the work for you. That comes to the cowardly aspect as well.

originally posted by: Aazadan

How is that progressive? It's a flat tax/consumption tax, the very definition of a regressive tax. The forcing companies onto the exchange is only because if we didn't companies would jump ship to other nations stock exchanges in order to circumvent the 1% tax (there's currently a .0003% tax and it had tremendous pushback from the investment bankers). The best leverage the US has in regards to our economy is access to the marketplace. We should take advantage of that to fix our economy.[/qupte]
Your still wanting the push for Govt to control more…..take more of people’s earned income.
You’re a Progressive.

originally posted by: Aazadan

I actually wrote it rather than copied a Google result, but you never asked for any application of it even though I've explained things in those terms already in previous replies.

Sure sure bud. Sure sure.

edit on 11-9-2014 by macman because: (no reason given)

What is this 5 pages of personal attacks now? I am human, I got a DUI when I was in the Navy. That hardly makes me a washout. George W. Bush got a DUI and went AWOL and still got an honorable discharge, he also was busted for coke possession at one point in his life, Dick Cheney has had several DUIs.

Of course you guys team up on my when I am working for a measly $10 an hour. I work when I can yet still poor enough to collect food stamps.

I 99ed the ASVAB in high school, took it again when I was 21 with no intention of joining the Army(who I took the test for) and scored a 94 with no prep. I wanted to retake it before I joined the Navy but a 94 is good enough for ANY enlisted job.

I could have been a nuke, but I know better. It is a crappy job. I know a former MM nuke who is now a Major in the Air Force. His child has severe birth defects, this is something that happens occasionally with nukes and the Navy refuses to admit exposure to radiation has anything to do with it. I would have needed a waiver anyway because I got a D in Differential Equations my freshmen year of college, not bad considering I only found the classroom on test days. (I took Calc in highschool). A grade in math less than a C requires a waiver before one can be approved for nuke school. Like I said, I knew better. There are very few enlisted Navy nukes who actually like their job. I was not interested in Spec Ops because I figured my brain is more valuable than my body so I better stick with a nerdy job. In hind sight SWCC would have been a good job for me. (Medically G6PD may have been an issue for me going that route besides)

I wanted to be an AG(aerographer's mate, a meteorologist) but that rate rarely has openings. At the time I enlisted they were offering AV(avionics) for a bonus. I was interested in electronics and aviation, and easy job. Big Navy decided which AV route I went (AE or AT, squad or intermediate level). I became an ATi and was the top of my class in 'I' strand with both sailors and Marines.

We were told by our Staff Sergeant instructor that 'I' strand is the toughest 'A' school academically for the Marine Corps. Outside of Nuke School, I think a strong argument can be made 'I' strand is the 2nd toughest A school academically for the Navy. Do not pretend like I had to settle as an AT. Since I am the kind of person who does a lot of self study when something interests me, I feel like my level of understanding of electronics is up and beyond most with an Electrical Engineering degree.

I was lucky because an AT in the COMSEC vault is about one of the best jobs an enlisted man can ask for.

Still think I am a phoney MacMan? I know what a First Sergeant is without googling it, as I know all of ranks in all the branches. I did not know the Air Force calls their head NCO their First Sergeant. An E-9 in the Air Force is officially called a Chief Master Sergeant.

Do not forger MacMan, you are the one who initially thought sergeant was a rank in the Navy. Nice try to twist what I wrote in an attempt to make me look stupid

Both of you have brought shame in this to the branches you represent in this thread. No wonder the personal keep in the US military keep getting weaker.

This 5 page hijacking of this thread to attack me started when I asked this question:

What does Promote the General Welfare mean to you?

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: jrod

Yes, Poor JRod was unfairly busted for a DUI.....And this is the mentality of most that are fine with accepting welfare.

The poor me mentality.

Poor me?

As I said, I am one of the luckiest people you will ever meet. Money is not a measure of happiness or success. The US dollar has become a fiat currency that will likely collapse within my lifetime.

My life is good. I have freedom and love to learn things.

If I die broke I will still be happy. It is sad to see people work their entire lives, save for retirement and die before they can truly enjoy life.

I actually was against food stamps, but I dated a girl who told me I was foolish for not collecting them. While we have parted ways, I was able to get her to retire the stilettos.

I have had a tax paying job since I was 15. It is not like I have not paid into the Social Security.

It seems like you guys feel that those who collect food stamps need to go to the back of the bus, use separate restrooms and water fountains. Both of you clearly think I am a lesser class of human that you guys.

NavyDoc, do not pretend like you have never drove after drinking, the same thing you are putting me down for is something that you are guilty of!

a reply to: ArchPlayer

First-- Rick and Morty! Awesome!

Now to your OP. So he is cutting food stamps even more than they have been getting cut. Not really sure what to say about this. I am kind of speechless. We have billions and billions of dollars to pay for WARS most poor folks do not want.
And they cut our food supply limit.

When it gets cut back so far. I hope people are not shocked when crime goes WAY up.
When more and more people become poor, Crime goes up!
People will become desperate at some point if they are cut to harshly.

I have to wonder. Are they pushing people into a corner. Forcing people into worry?
I have to wonder why we have SO much money for Drones, and WAR. Money for bombers that sit in deserts that see no action. Tons of military hardware that just sits there, and lines the pockets of weapon dealers. Who have buddies in private banks, and federal private interests.

Sooner or later, there will be masses of hungry and upset people with nothing to lose. 12% of us are already there.
What is left when you have nothing else to lose?
That is how terror is bred.

originally posted by: macman
Just because the Govt defers spending money on one thing, doesn’t then give it justification to spend that money elsewhere. That money belongs to the taxpayer.
And not being married to an ideal is your first problem.
You have no principals, which leads you to the Progressive mentality. Basically if it feels good, do it and don’t judge anyone else.
Nope…..

Incorrect not being married to an ideal means I can objectively view concepts, I change my opinions on this stuff frequently as new information or results become available. I don't have a predefined ideology to blindly support, well other than my ideology that compromise is always the way to go.

And that means what??

That jobs requiring skills still pay minimum wage.

Yeah, as that is the basis of a business.
Govt was not created to “invest” into anything. There is your second problem. Looking to Govt to solve issues and make life easier.

The whole point of government is to invest. Here's one for you, if government particularly the US government is so inept, then why did the majority of the nation support building a government in Iraq? Shouldn't we have just turned the whole place over to private companies?

Our government only sucks at running things because we intentionally hinder it such as what we've done to the Post Office.

You choose to live where you do. It has a con of not having a large employment basis, but has cheap living.
YOU and YOU alone chose this.

And am I wrong to think that the jobs should pay enough that I don't have to get government assistance to afford to live? Making the businesses pay a living wage means the taxpayers in general don't have to pay it.

Okay, so I think that there really is nothing else to discuss. You’re a person with Progressive ideals that believes people should have their earning pilfered by the Govt, and handed out to others. The thing that drives that is envy and greed. You envy those that have more than you, and are far more greedy than those rich evil people are, as you want more and more. You just want the Govt to do the work for you. That comes to the cowardly aspect as well.

Envy and greed? Not at all. My greed extends as far as believing a person should be able to sustain themselves on a wage. Minimum wage and all wages in general have declined significantly over the past 35 years. I want that trend to reverse.

Your still wanting the push for Govt to control more…..take more of people’s earned income.
You’re a Progressive.

So now you're against a 1% consumption tax on just a subset of products as a complete replacement to the income tax. Brilliant. I really think you're only against this one because I'm the one saying it.

The Omnibus bill epitomizes what is wrong with Washington. There is absolutely NO Need to have such a massive "catch all" Bill. You want to see waste, pet projects and pork, the Omnibus Bill is Ground Zero for that.

originally posted by: jrod

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: jrod

Yes, Poor JRod was unfairly busted for a DUI.....And this is the mentality of most that are fine with accepting welfare.

The poor me mentality.

Poor me?

As I said, I am one of the luckiest people you will ever meet. Money is not a measure of happiness or success. The US dollar has become a fiat currency that will likely collapse within my lifetime.

My life is good. I have freedom and love to learn things.

If I die broke I will still be happy. It is sad to see people work their entire lives, save for retirement and die before they can truly enjoy life.

I actually was against food stamps, but I dated a girl who told me I was foolish for not collecting them. While we have parted ways, I was able to get her to retire the stilettos.

I have had a tax paying job since I was 15. It is not like I have not paid into the Social Security.

It seems like you guys feel that those who collect food stamps need to go to the back of the bus, use separate restrooms and water fountains. Both of you clearly think I am a lesser class of human that you guys.

NavyDoc, do not pretend like you have never drove after drinking, the same thing you are putting me down for is something that you are guilty of!

Never. Because I am not an idiot.

You made bad choices. You had a chance to correct yourself. You decide not to try. You asked to give up. You then went on a "downward spiral." You work for "slave wages" from your own brother and yet you have the temerity to blame "corporations" when your own brother does not think you are worth much.

You don't have "freedom." You depend in the taxpayer to feed your lazy ass. That is the direct opposite of "freedom."

Yes, you are a lesser class of human because you do not take responsability and blame others for your own shortcomings. That makes you a parasite.

originally posted by: jrod
What is this 5 pages of personal attacks now? I am human, I got a DUI when I was in the Navy. That hardly makes me a washout. George W. Bush got a DUI and went AWOL and still got an honorable discharge, he also was busted for coke possession at one point in his life, Dick Cheney has had several DUIs.

Of course you guys team up on my when I am working for a measly $10 an hour. I work when I can yet still poor enough to collect food stamps.

I 99ed the ASVAB in high school, took it again when I was 21 with no intention of joining the Army(who I took the test for) and scored a 94 with no prep. I wanted to retake it before I joined the Navy but a 94 is good enough for ANY enlisted job.

I could have been a nuke, but I know better. It is a crappy job. I know a former MM nuke who is now a Major in the Air Force. His child has severe birth defects, this is something that happens occasionally with nukes and the Navy refuses to admit exposure to radiation has anything to do with it. I would have needed a waiver anyway because I got a D in Differential Equations my freshmen year of college, not bad considering I only found the classroom on test days. (I took Calc in highschool). A grade in math less than a C requires a waiver before one can be approved for nuke school. Like I said, I knew better. There are very few enlisted Navy nukes who actually like their job. I was not interested in Spec Ops because I figured my brain is more valuable than my body so I better stick with a nerdy job. In hind sight SWCC would have been a good job for me. (Medically G6PD may have been an issue for me going that route besides)

I wanted to be an AG(aerographer's mate, a meteorologist) but that rate rarely has openings. At the time I enlisted they were offering AV(avionics) for a bonus. I was interested in electronics and aviation, and easy job. Big Navy decided which AV route I went (AE or AT, squad or intermediate level). I became an ATi and was the top of my class in 'I' strand with both sailors and Marines.

We were told by our Staff Sergeant instructor that 'I' strand is the toughest 'A' school academically for the Marine Corps. Outside of Nuke School, I think a strong argument can be made 'I' strand is the 2nd toughest A school academically for the Navy. Do not pretend like I had to settle as an AT. Since I am the kind of person who does a lot of self study when something interests me, I feel like my level of understanding of electronics is up and beyond most with an Electrical Engineering degree.

I was lucky because an AT in the COMSEC vault is about one of the best jobs an enlisted man can ask for.

Still think I am a phoney MacMan? I know what a First Sergeant is without googling it, as I know all of ranks in all the branches. I did not know the Air Force calls their head NCO their First Sergeant. An E-9 in the Air Force is officially called a Chief Master Sergeant.

Do not forger MacMan, you are the one who initially thought sergeant was a rank in the Navy. Nice try to twist what I wrote in an attempt to make me look stupid

Both of you have brought shame in this to the branches you represent in this thread. No wonder the personal keep in the US military keep getting weaker.

This 5 page hijacking of this thread to attack me started when I asked this question:

What does Promote the General Welfare mean to you?

You didn't have a "staff sergeant" in Navy A school. There are no Marine "nuke schools." You are either high, delusional, or a liar.

College grades have absutely zero to do with enlisted nuke school and the vast majority of enlisted Navy nuke enlisted nukes are only highschool graduates. You are full of # just based on that nonsensical excuse.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

Never. Because I am not an idiot.

Liar!

Yes I had several USMC sergeants and staff sergeants who were my instructors in I strand. Though an AT2 and Sgt were my main instructors. It was a Staff Sergeant who told us that "I" stand(avionics, the school needed for an ATi rating badge) was the toughest A school academically for the Marine Corps, he also went on to make the claim it was the 2nd toughest in the Navy behind nuke school.

I went to A school in Pensacola, Fl at NATTC.

I never made the claim there was a Marine Corps nuke school. Nuke school is where the enlisted Nukes(ET, MM, and EM?) learn how to run a nuclear reactor. You should know that. Keep trying to misquote me to make me look stupid. I can even scan a picture of my I strand class if it makes it shuts you up.

Also, yes you need a waiver for any Math class one receives a D or F, that is what the nuke recruiter told me at MEPS. I signed my papers in January of 2006 and went to boot camp in June of 2006.

I may even have a copy of my E-5 exam that a scored in the 99th percentile. (not an perfect 80, but close). If I find that, I most certainly will upload it just to prove you wrong.

You claimed you were a Div-O for the 600 division in the US Navy? Have you even heard of I strand?

originally posted by: jrod

originally posted by: NavyDoc

Never. Because I am not an idiot.

Liar!

Yes I had several USMC sergeants and staff sergeants who were my instructor in I strand.

I never made the claim there was a Marine Corps nuke school. Nuke school is where the enlisted Nukes(ET, MM, and EM?) learn how to run a nuclear reactor. You should know that. Keep trying to misquote me to make me look stupid. I can even scan a picture of my I strand class if it makes it shuts you up.

You claimed you were a Div-O for the 600 division in the US Navy? Have you even heard of I strand

You poor deluded child. Everyone knows that intermediate lies between operational and depot. That you couldn't finish your first enlistment due to poor performance and criminal activities indicated that yup be never even been operational.

You are full of crap. Just because you could not act in a responsible manner and got a DUI does not mean that everybody else does. This mental illness is known as "projection" where the idiot in question "projects" his own short comings on to others.

And speaking of idiots--quit threatening me on IM and post what you want to say in public, for everyone to see, like a real man.

a reply to: NavyDoc

I am a real man.

Are you ?

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: NavyDoc

I am a real man.

Are you ?

A real man does not depend on handouts to eat. Pay your own bills, quit living off your brother, make something of yourself and then you might be able to consider yourself a man.