Russian convoy crosses Ukraine border

Tensions between Russia and Ukraine escalated sharply on Friday as Moscow sent more than 130 trucks rolling across the border in what it said was a mission to deliver humanitarian aid. Ukraine called it a "direct invasion," and the U.S. and NATO condemned it as well.

In another ominous turn in the crisis, NATO said it has mounting evidence that Russian forces are operating inside Ukraine and launching artillery attacks from Ukrainian soil.

Russian trucks clearing customs at rebel-held border
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The trucks, part of a convoy of 260 vehicles, entered Ukraine without government permission after being held up at the border for a week amid fears that the mission was a Krem

Russian convoy crosses Ukrain border

Hello Everybody

Now in terms of world news I have been focused on the ISIS beheading of James Foley and ISIS in general (as a lot of people are) until this evening when I saw on the news that around 260 trucks crossed the border from Russia to the Ukraine. It is said that around 35 out of 260 trucks were authorized to be brought into the Ukraine. Russia claims it is for humanitarian reasons only, but with all that has happened it is hard to believe that is the case. Western countries have condemned Russia for supplying the rebels in Ukraine with weapons and support.

Personally I think they are banking on the fact that the world is preoccupied with events in the middle east ( I could be wrong) and that they are hoping this will not get that much attention. But the reason I post this is I want to get your opinions on what you think Russia is planning/doing. Is this strictly humanitarian? or are these trucks loaded with weapons? Are they hoping Ukraine attacks it to give cause for retaliation?

Please I would love to here your opinions. After all, that is why I joined ATS.

a reply to: Shepard64

They can't all be loaded with weapons, if any at all. Either way the people in that area need food, water and medical supplies asap, because the only thing there fellow countrymen in Kiev are supplying to them right now is a bunch of artillery shells on their heads.

Anything that Russia does or has done in the name of humanitarian reasons is a ruse. Russia could have done it all under a UN backed charter as UN peacekeepers from the start. This is an invasion and has been obvious since the men in black in Crimea.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Thats what I am thinking, especially if 35 have been approved to cross. The thing is western media has prettty much demanized russia so much that I find it hard to believe they are supplying humanitarian aid. I just don't know what to believe!

I would like to know why admins changed this to the ww3 forum. This is news, I do not believe this will cause ww3.

originally posted by: Shepard64
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Thats what I am thinking, especially if 35 have been approved to cross. The thing is western media has prettty much demanized russia so much that I find it hard to believe they are supplying humanitarian aid. I just don't know what to believe!

Time will tell but I'm more suspicious of the Wests actions in Ukraine, the country is in a mess due in large part to them and instead of doing anything about it, they just keep criticizing Russa by telliing them to stay out.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: Shepard64

They can't all be loaded with weapons, if any at all. Either way the people in that area need food, water and medical supplies asap, because the only thing there fellow countrymen in Kiev are supplying to them right now is a bunch of artillery shells on their heads.

Then why did Russia not simply allow the Red Cross to take over and deliver it as planned? Clearly because Russia is intent on doing something they shouldnt.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: Shepard64

They can't all be loaded with weapons, if any at all. Either way the people in that area need food, water and medical supplies asap, because the only thing there fellow countrymen in Kiev are supplying to them right now is a bunch of artillery shells on their heads.

Then why did Russia not simply allow the Red Cross to take over and deliver it as planned? Clearly because Russia is intent on doing something they shouldnt.

They already did, 3 days ago www.reuters.com...

a reply to: Shepard64

because there is already 2 news thread on it already (well think it's why)

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: Shepard64

They can't all be loaded with weapons, if any at all. Either way the people in that area need food, water and medical supplies asap, because the only thing there fellow countrymen in Kiev are supplying to them right now is a bunch of artillery shells on their heads.

Then why did Russia not simply allow the Red Cross to take over and deliver it as planned? Clearly because Russia is intent on doing something they shouldnt.

They already did, 3 days ago www.reuters.com...

No, they did not.

The charges coincide with Russia’s decision to move a convoy of more than 200 trucks into Ukraine on Friday without either government permission or the participation of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC).

www.washingtonpost.com... html

Russia kept saying they would allow the ICRC to take over, then did nothing to make it happen, then moved without ICRC support.

So again I ask, why did Russia not allow the ICRC to take over?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: Shepard64

They can't all be loaded with weapons, if any at all. Either way the people in that area need food, water and medical supplies asap, because the only thing there fellow countrymen in Kiev are supplying to them right now is a bunch of artillery shells on their heads.

Then why did Russia not simply allow the Red Cross to take over and deliver it as planned? Clearly because Russia is intent on doing something they shouldnt.

They already did, 3 days ago www.reuters.com...

No, they did not.

The charges coincide with Russia’s decision to move a convoy of more than 200 trucks into Ukraine on Friday without either government permission or the participation of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC).

www.washingtonpost.com... html

Russia kept saying they would allow the ICRC to take over, then did nothing to make it happen, then moved without ICRC support.

So again I ask, why did Russia not allow the ICRC to take over?

Your source may be whack but from the Reuters article a direct quote from Geneva:

"An advance ICRC team crossed into eastern Ukraine this morning, having received security guarantees from groups controlling the territory for this mission. The team is checking conditions of the road, and the general situation, and establishing contacts in preparation for the passage of the convoy," ICRC spokesman Ewan Watson told Reuters in Geneva.

a reply to: Dolby_X

Oh my bad, can you post a link to the forums?

Maybe they could have used some of the UN helicopters that kiev was using to get troops into the east earlier on in the conflict . The UN is a useless piece of crap and only a tool for the west . a reply to: weirdguy

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Perhaps they are up to something sinister.

a reply to: Shepard64

www.abovetopsecret.com... this one as exemple try the search engine

I recall the Red Cross saying in a earlier piece that they were making their own plans separate from the plans of the Russians . a reply to: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Dolby_X
a reply to: Shepard64

www.abovetopsecret.com... this one as exemple

try the search engine

On glance of the articles it appears they went in with approval of the Red Cross and basically told Kiev to get lost, well played, the people need aid

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Who are they aiding exactly? Keeping in mind i probably don't have a full grasp on what is going on over there.

a reply to: Shepard64

The population of the east ukraine taken in hostage betwenn the separatist and the Ukraine army

originally posted by: Shepard64
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Who are they aiding exactly? Keeping in mind i probably don't have a full grasp on what is going on over there.

Kiev seemed to have forgot the fact that their own people in that part of the country exist and bombed the crap out of them.