Cops kill guy who is Unstable 15 mins From Ferguson, Mo.**--Warning-- Actual Shooting on Video**

People on the Bundy ranch had lots of guns pointed at the cops saying all kinds of crazy schit no one died the cops back away ,just saying I am angry and I am thinking perhaps it's time I reassess my positions on gun control maybe it's the Black folks who need guns the most to protect themselves from the Blue folks.
I hope my current feeling on this will pass I don't want to become them.

a reply to: wanderingconfusion

Isn't it obvious?

a reply to: Spider879

And the side cheering for LEOs now, cried then even though they didn't shoot anyone or even ask them to leave.

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: wanderingconfusion

Isn't it obvious?

Yes, as my grandma used to say - it's as obvious as a turd coming from a dog's hiney.

I can see Obama and Holder salivating at the mouth with what they have accomplished by these tragedies.

I can't start a thread in honor of this young man (Dillon Taylor) because I don't have enough posts under my proverbial belt.



ETA: Didn't see the national media coverage on this either.

Racism alive and well

a reply to: wanderingconfusion

Dillon Taylor is another tragedy police won't be held accountable for.

originally posted by: Restricted
Great. Another shooting. Now we can nitpick the officer to death again.

And nitpicking the dead person is just fine of course

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: wanderingconfusion

Dillon Taylor is another tragedy police won't be held accountable for.

Yes it is Kali.

My heart bleeds for all the tragedies.

I read that Mike Brown and Dillon Taylor supporters are combining forces.

I pray this happens so that it will shove a wedge in the racial divide that the goverment and all these race baiter have put into motion.

ETA: Forces joined for Taylor and Brown families

Seeing a lot of ignorance and arm chair quarterbacking. First you don't ever come at a suspect wielding any kind of weapon equally.

The whole suggestion that they use mace is laughable, IRRITANTS aren't a tool you use against a knife or gun wielding individual, mace, oc, pepper spray etc are used on individuals who are not armed and who are being non compliant. It's used as a means of gaining compliance through a path of least resistance. Secondly the use of IRRITANTS almost always come back onto the officer during use and effect both parties. I'm not going to risk temporarily incapacitating myself when there's a man with a knife or a gun.

Regarding a taser, not all departments use them, also these are again an option you would use on a subject who is unarmed but is combative or who is large enough to overpower the arresting officer. Lastly they are not always effective and require a complete circuit to work, meaning both prods must stick or it won't work. This isn't a chance anyone in their right mind would take against an armed individual.

And lastly regarding handcuffing the suspect even after he's "dead" it's not up to the officer to determine whether the suspect is dead or alive, the suspect gets cuffed EVERY time no matter what. This is standard police policy across the country.

The system will decide if this is a good shoot or not but from what the video shows these officers did everything by the books.

a reply to: wanderingconfusion

Pretending race isn't a factor is only going to allow for an incomplete solution, pretending it's the only factor is only going to allow for an incomplete solution.

originally posted by: C0le
Seeing a lot of ignorance and arm chair quarterbacking. First you don't ever come at a suspect wielding any kind of weapon equally.

The whole suggestion that they use mace is laughable, IRRITANTS aren't a tool you use against a knife or gun wielding individual, mace, oc, pepper spray etc are used on individuals who are not armed and who are being non compliant. It's used as a means of gaining compliance through a path of least resistance. Secondly the use of IRRITANTS almost always come back onto the officer during use and effect both parties. I'm not going to risk temporarily incapacitating myself when there's a man with a knife or a gun.

Regarding a taser, not all departments use them, also these are again an option you would use on a subject who is unarmed but is combative or who is large enough to overpower the arresting officer. Lastly they are not always effective and require a complete circuit to work, meaning both prods must stick or it won't work. This isn't a chance anyone in their right mind would take against an armed individual.

And lastly regarding handcuffing the suspect even after he's "dead" it's not up to the officer to determine whether the suspect is dead or alive, the suspect gets cuffed EVERY time no matter what. This is standard police policy across the country.

The system will decide if this is a good shoot or not but from what the video shows these officers did everything by the books.

Your right and i would add one more thing within 15 ft a knife can be just as deadly as a gun. That is why the officer set up a line he was not to cross. When he did that was when they opened fire because he became a threat had he stayed away from the police officers they just would have called for backup.

Ok I am a bit calmer now,no reassessment on guns needed for now, things are bad but we still have a vote, GET OUT AND VOTE BLACK FOLKS and no I am not race baiting here black folks in those communities voted the least in midterms
it is reflected in the type of folks in positions of power example is the below.
From Ferguson Cop Embroiled in a Brutality Suit to City Councilwoman

In 2009, a man was charged with destruction of property for bleeding on city police officers’ uniforms as they allegedly beat him. Now one of those officers sits on the City Council.
The two-term incumbent in Ferguson’s First Ward, Councilwoman Fran Grecco, had resigned after being disbarred as a lawyer for “professional misconduct” that allegedly included collecting legal fees without performing the promised legal work.

One of the two candidates to take her seat in the 2012 race was John Knowles, a cousin of Ferguson Mayor James Knowles. But this lesser-known Knowles had just resigned from the School Board over extravagant expenditures on a pricey junket to San Francisco in which he billed the city even for the $500 fine he got for smoking in his room at the Grand Hyatt.

So, former police officer Kim Tihen was elected to a three-year term. She might very well have won even if it had been widely known that she was one of four cops named in a brutality suit in which they charged a construction worker named Henry Davis with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while they allegedly beat him.

www.thedailybeast.com...

Now how was that possible?? Black folks don't vote in mid terms or for local elections despite being the majority in a lot of these towns,even state, I say re channel that anger and frustration at the ballot, and by the way it's looking I seriously doubt that justice will be done given the make of of the city's leadership[ see above link as to why], second focus on the economics and education there is much to learn from more successful AA communities also take a page or two from Caribbean and African immigrant communities on how to fund start up business as an anchor for your community .
Susu Banking System How to avoid Banksters
www.abovetopsecret.com...
We pooled our money together to send our kids to college buy our homes and start our own businesses,speaking of businesses absolutely do not shop at places you are being disrespected,circulate your money at-least 5 to 6 times in your own communities before spending it with others,no one does that but YOU! when you are poor and politically weak you will be marginalized,exploited and held in utter contempt by others.

a reply to: wanderingconfusion

Ty for post references. Please keep in mind that those of us that don't FB can't really view it.

Did the police or media report what kind of knife it was yet?

a reply to: entermemo


Streaming the YouTube video of the shooting through VLC media player provides a bit of a closer perspective for anyone else interested in trying that. While watching it through VLC, I made two observations. One: while I cannot be certain, the assailant appears to be unarmed despite the police officer's order to "drop the knife". Zooming in on several screenshots failed to clear this up as the picture becomes a mess of pixels. Two: in the final seconds (viewed frame by frame) before police open fire, the assailant never once raises or moves his arms in any kind of stabbing or slashing motion, which refutes the police department's officer account (reported here) that he was "holding a knife in an overhand grip". Perhaps someone out there who owns software capable of video zoom/enhance could use it to verify if the shooting victim did indeed brandish a knife?

All of that said, the lack of condemnation of these officers around the web--indeed the paragraphs of acceptance for their murderous actions put fourth here as well in the form of citations to police tactical procedures such as the so-called "21 foot rule"--stun me somewhat. Essentially, my take on police supporters in this case is that they approve of, accept and welcome law enforcement procedures and training setting fourth conditions under which police in America can legally execute you, me, them--any one of us. Execute us not to save the lives of other citizens or enforce the law, but to save their own bacon.

Summon, post and illustrate all the self defense, police brotherhood culture literature, combat reflex training manuals you like. The police are not soldiers on patrol in a war zone no matter how battle weary and desensitized to our rights and the condition of being human they've become, and we the citizens of America are not their enemy. Personally, I want nothing to do with a force of police unable, unwilling or too worried about saving their own hides to either verbally engage a suspect, move left, right, whatever it takes to buy a moment or two to avoid incoming violence, or even engage in a bit of hand to hand rather than planting their feet, drawing their weapons and opening fire. They draw a salary to serve a vital function in our society. How about they earn it by risking their lives to serve and protect or find another vocation?

A violent criminal must be stopped in order to protect the public. However, no American is a criminal until after he or she is convicted of a crime. The transformation from citizen to suspect to criminal should only take place outside of the courtroom if the citizen is in the act of harming another citizen. The message I get from many of the recent (and not so recent, actually) police shooting deaths of citizens is bluntly: that a cop's life is more valuable than a civilian's. That's it. What are the cops really these days without their sidearm? They seem more and more to be becoming guns with legs mounted in patrol cruisers. It's all about the gun, isn't it? It's all about their legal ability (or do they see it as a right) to use lethal force whenever they deem it appropriate.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71

originally posted by: Grimpachi
If I had been there none of this would have happened and here is why.


I would have paid for his damn sodas even after he left to keep the cops out of it.

Then the nut job might have stabbed you,,,,on video.

This seriously made me laugh.

originally posted by: C0le
Seeing a lot of ignorance and arm chair quarterbacking. First you don't ever come at a suspect wielding any kind of weapon equally.

The whole suggestion that they use mace is laughable, IRRITANTS aren't a tool you use against a knife or gun wielding individual, mace, oc, pepper spray etc are used on individuals who are not armed and who are being non compliant. It's used as a means of gaining compliance through a path of least resistance. Secondly the use of IRRITANTS almost always come back onto the officer during use and effect both parties. I'm not going to risk temporarily incapacitating myself when there's a man with a knife or a gun.

Regarding a taser, not all departments use them, also these are again an option you would use on a subject who is unarmed but is combative or who is large enough to overpower the arresting officer. Lastly they are not always effective and require a complete circuit to work, meaning both prods must stick or it won't work. This isn't a chance anyone in their right mind would take against an armed individual.

And lastly regarding handcuffing the suspect even after he's "dead" it's not up to the officer to determine whether the suspect is dead or alive, the suspect gets cuffed EVERY time no matter what. This is standard police policy across the country.

The system will decide if this is a good shoot or not but from what the video shows these officers did everything by the books.

Your points are all valid here i don't think many people will say this wasn't by the book.
The issue many of us have is that there were two officers and neither tried to use their taser while the other had their sidearm. They just shot him dead on the spot once he got too close

originally posted by: Iamthatbish

originally posted by: TDawg61
Is everyone positive a taser would even bring down a pumped up maniac yelling shoot me in a death charge?I'm not sure.What I do know is the police acted as any cop in the country would.Its simple really.When the cop says drop the weapon,unless you want to die, you just drop the weapon.

Go to YouTube and watch tazer wars. When you're done laughing at people with more time on their hands than intelligence come tell us your opinion.

Screw 'tazer wars'. I don't know if anyone has posted anything to show why a tazer isn't exactly a 'go-to' choice in stopping a threat.

Here's a guy, who isn't even in a highly agitated state, where a tazer does absolutely nothing. I personally have a few friends who can stand and take a shot from a tazer and continue to walk and talk like nothing is happening.



And another (the guy at about 2:11)


ETA: A tazer and a stun gun are not the same thing. When you search 'tazer wars' a lot of the videos are of stunguns, which do not shoot out the wires with the prongs. I can take a shot from most stun guns and remain on my feet. I've been hit with a tazer (willingly, by a friend) and they knock me on my ass every time.

originally posted by: AphoticJoe
. Two: in the final seconds (viewed frame by frame) before police open fire, the assailant never once raises or moves his arms in any kind of stabbing or slashing motion, which refutes the police department's officer account (reported here) that he was "holding a knife in an overhand grip". Perhaps someone out there who owns software capable of video zoom/enhance could use it to verify if the shooting victim did indeed brandish a knife?

I get where you're coming from but this one tiny detail needs to be pointed out to you. An overhand grip is when you are holding the knife in your hand with the blade downward from the pinky finger end. Like the way Norman Bates holds it in the famous shower stabbing scene. (edit: i forgot to put in the point which is, the officer isn't really incorrect even thought the guy wasn't slashing around. just having it in the hand is a threat.

a reply to: ChaosComplex

I can't argue that. there are people who for some reason are immune to it.
The body is a crazy thing isn't it?

a reply to: ChaosComplex

Oh, boo-hoo, so you mean COPS HAVE TO RISK THEIR LIVES?!?! No way, I thought being a cop meant a guaranteed long life and a pension for 30 years after doing a desk job! Thanks for clearing that up for me, let's just trash all the tasers and put a clip into every single person that might be a threat to a cop, because LEOs need to go home and play with their My Little Ponies after the end of a long day shooting to death a single suspect in a 2-on-1 gun-against-knife situation that lasts 15 seconds.

Come on, try a little harder. You're making this too easy. :/