Cops kill guy who is Unstable 15 mins From Ferguson, Mo.**--Warning-- Actual Shooting on Video**

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: ThichHeaded

Your vid isn't working.....

EDIT: Nevermind, you fixed it!


OK! Did you fail to hear the Popo tell him to drop the gun?

Believe me, I am not PRO police, but let's be careful about what we are promoting here shall we?

No.. I listened close. "It was drop the knife drop the knife"

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Even the closest witness yelled for him to "drop it bro" the dude wouldn't drop his gun/knife/weapon and screamed at police to shoot him.
He was looking for confrontation and got it.

Darwin Award.

Nope. The closest witness said "this isn't the way to go about it bro"

And I am not defending his actions. I am just against the police actions. Police are in much more danger in crowds, surrounded, but less lethal force is employed. They COULD have taken this man down without shooting him. We have given cops a license to kill and it should be revoked immediately.

And when someone screams at you to shoot them.. you don't oblige them. They need help. Spray him, taze him, and cuff him.

originally posted by: lightedhype
a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

Are you high?

The only thing the police said was 'hands out of your pockets'


The man filming is the one who said the word gun.

The video proof is right here and half of ATS still supports the murderous cops.

God help us all.

A supposed intelligent community supports blatant murder now.


Show me a screenshot of the gun or the knife. Show me a clip of where the police said 'drop' anything.

Please. I'd love for you to - because it is not there.


The only words spoken by the cops were 'hands out of your pockets'

Are you all blind AND deaf?

I wish I was. I ran out of painkillers a bit ago though.

Everyone on this thread has said they heard gun, they heard knife, etc. yet you pick a post I edited to reflect that they said "something" to nitpick at??

Are you blind AND deaf or just slow and looking to pick a fight with me and no one else on this thread?? Maybe you would have better luck if you actually picked a member that did not go back and listen to this 10 times and edit their comment to reflect that. I heard drop something. Others heard knife, some heard gun. Get over yourself and take a breath.

And please... PLEASE go back and find where I said this was ok. I'll wait for you to do that for as long as it takes. If you can't then maybe you would like to recant the part about supporting murder yes??

Thanks.

a reply to: ThichHeaded

I've heard about this video, another heart breaking account.
Seems to be suicide by cop.

But did they have to put him down?

Hope no one has any mental break downs around any cops. They will go ahead and Just END you.


edit- I saw enough of the video, the MSM accounts of this. Thankfully I did not have to see another person getting killed...
This stuff is mentally taxing, emotionally and spiritually exhausting. ugh.

Thanks for sharing the story here.

originally posted by: zysin5
a reply to: ThichHeaded

I've heard about this video, another heart breaking account.
Seems to be suicide by cop.

But did they have to put him down?

Hope no one has any mental break downs around any cops. They will go ahead and Just END you.

Hell, I hope nobody happens to be buttering some toast around any cops either for that matter. Sometimes when getting yelled at by gunpoint I get nervous. I might just drop the toast instead of the knife and 'Bang', I'm Toast.

a reply to: Grimpachi

First Love your avatar it makes me crack up everytime I see it.

It appears that we have evolved to a dangerous us (citizens) against them (Cops) mentatility in this country. This needs to be looked into and come up with strategies to fix it on BOTH sides.

I have had my altercations with power hungry over the top cops before and I have always given the benefit of the doubt. When they pull over someone in a daily routine trafic stop they could lose their life in a split second. Good decisions don't come under pressure or the fear of death when survival instincts kick in.

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
Whoever called the police over two sodas must be deviated.

You let one go that stole 2 sodas. The next guy comes in and steals 4 sodas. How many sodas and how much money should the store owner just give away/lose before it's considered acceptable to call the police??

How about folks quite stealing and nobody has to worry about calling the cops. People can't just take losses because the cops over react sometimes. You let a few thieves go and depending on the neighborhood... you'll go broke by the end of the month after those thieves tell all of their thieving friends where to go that won't call the police on their thieving arses.

I'm not advocating theft. Although you should check the pens in your house, car and office. I'm saying the end result was so far from expectations that people will stop calling the police.

a reply to: Iamthatbish

Why would I need to check the pens in my house and car? Did you come and steal some?

If you are suggesting that I steal pens, you are mistaken. All the pens I ever use out in public seem to have bricks and clip boards attached to them.

Personally I ask when I find a cool pen at the bank. That's how I know most pens are assumed they are going to walk away. I've been given many surprised responses to my asking.

Back to my point. The reactions are too excessive, they don't match the crime.




a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

Beware!!!

The public is being provoked into action against the police so plans can bear fruit...

Couldn't he just whoop this guy upside the head with his pistol?

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
Personally I ask when I find a cool pen at the bank. That's how I know most pens are assumed they are going to walk away. I've been given many surprised responses to my asking.

Back to my point. The reactions are too excessive, they don't match the crime.




a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

OT- I do agree that a lot of times it doesn't seem right and there are over reactions to situations. I hate to see anybody die for anything really. And it is a shame that some people will hesitate to call the police because of these over reactions. I think you should be able to call them for anything and not have to worry about someone dying in the process (unless that is actually what is needed).

I think cops have gotten away with doing their thing for so long, that it is just too easy not to do it at this point. Of course not all of them are like that, but we have a problem that quite a few do. It needs to be fixed though I am unsure if how to fix it at this point.

Off topic - I do have ziplock bags full of drug pens. My mom worked at a doctor's office for years until he recently retired. I got about 8 quart size baggies full of pens with Viagra, Prozac, Cialis, etc. on them. My daughter likes to carry those to school lol. I am a pen freak, but not stealing them freak.

Oooh nooo. We better keep you safe from SWAT!

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

Great. Another shooting. Now we can nitpick the officer to death again.

originally posted by: seeker1963
A voice of sanity in a world of lies! HOW REFRESHING!

But who creates the laws that requires the police to act in such an uncivilized manner towards the citizens that they are supposed to protect?

Wake up America! The supreme court has already stated that the police DO NOT have to protect! The have to UPHOLD THE LAW!!!!

Still a bit shocked that you pointed to me as a voice of sanity. We aren't so different in our thinking after all. But that's a different topic for a different time.

Anyway, on topic you bring up a most valid point here. It reminds me of a book written by Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman when he talks about society compared to Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs.

Most people are sheep, although this isn't meant to be negative. Sheep are nice, caring, beautiful, productive creatures without the capacity for violence that allow for a civil society.

Then there are the Wolves. Those who have a capacity for Violence as well as no remorse or objection in using it. They feed on the sheep without hesitation and destroy society. Wolves are the Criminals.

Then there are the Sheepdogs. These are the Cops, Soldiers, etc. They have the capacity for violence but choose to use it to protect the sheep from the wolves. This is how it is supposed to be, but as of late this has started to change. Let me explain.

This sums up my point very well:

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Now, as you've pointed out, LEO's are not here to "Protect and Serve" anymore. Atleast not the sheep anyway. Who they actually Serve is Debatable. Who they Protect is more and more becoming Themselves. LEO's usually only associate with other LEO's. They even consider themselves and are correct in saying they are the Largest Gang on Earth. They are. They have more power and support than any other gang.

Over time this has become an Us vs. Them situation. Eventually, as we've seen more and more lately, who the sheepdogs serve is the system itself by raking in the revenue to support it and enlarge it and they protect themselves and other officers first and foremost. That is the Blue Line. They don't Protect what is Just or even Legal sometimes, but they always protect The Force. It wasn't always this way.

A Tactical Specialist will tell you that the Officer was NOT ahead of the curve, the speed which the suspect was advancing meant he was closing distance quickly, that was textbook SOP by the officers.

Google Knife vs Gun in fight, I watched some videos by professionals showing the lethal distance from which a man weilding a knife may close and harm a man armed with a holstered gun.The results are SHOCKING and will show you why a knife will get you Religon like lightening hits the groind.

I still cant believe how effective a knife is in a fight with a gunman.

That was sad to watch, what is really sad is that no one was on the phone with the Police on 911 telling them he had a knife and was unstable but had harmed no one yet.The Officers were rolling on limited data and following SOP,it is always a gamble when you are armed and closing distance fast in a determined method towards any firearmed person with the only realisitc option of capping you.

Anyone being charged by an armed and determined man under those circumstances would open up on him or likely be injured or killed.

There is a video of an UNARMED MAN being shot by several officers many many times when he was ALONE-UNARMED ON A BUS!!!! There were people all around it was insane.

a reply to: mOjOm

Awesome! I am glad we have some common ground in which we can improve upon and make things better!

I might get pissy with someone one day, but support their point of view on another!

a reply to: interupt42

Thanks for the compliment on the avatar it makes me chuckle to. I like humor, humor is good and in short supply at times so I haven't changed it a while if I do it has to be more humorous.

As far as where society is it truly looks GRIM to me. There has always been problems it comes and goes but with the speed in which information travels now I think has played a role in amping these things up to levels we have rarely seen before. I seriously had to get rid of cable a few years ago because it seemed to be the one to push me near the edge the most. I don't regret it. I still get the news, it is available to me at all times but it isn't shoved in face or rammed down my throat so things like these shootings I digest at my own pace. Basically I had to take a step back it is unfortunate that so many feel they can't.


I have had my run ins with LEO's most were uneventful though a few were very eventful which has given me an us-vs-them outlook. I still realize and except there are good cops but it's the bad ones that have instilled a fear and anger in me towards them. Still I do give most a benefit of doubt in most situations except when the evidence is plain as day I don't care if they had a bad day once they cross a line and are caught doing it the institution they represent should not shield them but I see them being shielded way to often= more anger. It is a cycle that feeds itself.

As far as this shooting like I said it looked by the book to me I blame the book as for the other shooting I am waiting for more evidence to be released because there are just to many conflicting stories and I am in no position to judge. It could go either way IMO that is why I have kind of stayed out of those discussions. There are plenty of side subjects surrounding that case I will comment on such as looting, stop and frisk rights and such I am just not prepared to make a call one way or another on the actual legality of the shooting itself.

In other words I agree with you.

a reply to: FreeQuebec86


Why is national news not covering this story that happened 2 days after the Mike Brown shooting?


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