Jim Foley beheading a Fake?

a reply to: Taggart

We'll be back after these messages!

Isis guys knife was dull and by the time Foley's head
was completely severed, the sun was going down.

Dull knives and a shortage of head chopping swords.
Embarrassing to any terrist.

Another offering from the CIA.

All i've been hearing about the video is that it seems too fake to be called genuine.

As for the knife, i have seen knives that size being used for beheadings in the past.

a reply to: b14warrior

That video is retarded.. the third man it shows is Steven Sotloff he is a different another captive journalist they have you that they have threatened to kill if the bombings don't start. I don't have any questions it's foley I just think that it's weird they faded and no blood when they start cutting, then cut to his head on his bdoy.

It could be a third party edited the video, but ISIS it'self has never shied away from showing the full carnage.

It is james foley througought the entire video. Whoever made that liveleak video can't read. The only thing I found fishy was the editing. Never that they switched the people. Why would they?

I found it on an Arabic website attempting to get the whole unedited and unblurred video.

I watched it very hesitantly thinking that it would be possibly the most gruesome thing I have seen.

After it was over, I was very "disappointed" in that it had about as much blood and gore as a FEMA drill or a PG13 movie.

After about 3 seconds I immediately went to google and searched for "foley beheading video fake" and was not disappointed.

I saw some in this thread saying that there is a mythical "whole" video that is unedited and much longer.

If there is one, prove it. Either post a link or say where it can be found. Don't just repeat what you've heard or been told or read somewhere else.

This video was not very terrorizing except for maybe Foley's family.

a reply to: djmarcone
Make no mistake. You will not find an unedited version. In fact, have you read through this thread? Have you seen how a police chief in Britain stated you could be arrested for terrorism for watching or searching for the video? Can you believe that?

F N crazy.

AAC

originally posted by: AnAbsoluteCreation
a reply to: djmarcone
Make no mistake. You will not find an unedited version. In fact, have you read through this thread? Have you seen how a police chief in Britain stated you could be arrested for terrorism for watching or searching for the video? Can you believe that?

F N crazy.

AAC

Oh yes, I read the thread since I had some time.

This video thing smells as bad as an ISIS henchman. I wrote the line "calling out" people saying there is a whole video to make the point that it simply isn't there.

Even Infowars is chiming in now saying the vid is fake for all the same reasons mentioned in this thread.

a reply to: djmarcone
Just looked at the info video breakdown.

Sometimes I wonder if mind control of masses is already underway and those that have certain elevated conscious frequency are immune to the control.

On a side note, the second prisoner looks so very calm after just witnessing a beheading.

AAC

Anybody who has watched the video know Morse code?
Look at the way he is blinking, it looks like a definite pattern.

a reply to: UKWO1Phot

Been done before.

Jerimiah Denton, USN was shot down and held Prisoner of War in Hanoi, North Vietnam. During his stay there, the POWs were tortured (some to death) but they had no means of telling the world what was happening to them. During an International news visit, POWs were forced to make "propaganda" films to show how "humanely" they were being treated. Denton volunteered, then BLINKED "T-O-R-T-U-R-E" in Morse Code throughout his interview. Hero! They fed him well x2 wks before his "show".

AAC

The uncut version still lacks the the actual action(to be PC for the T&C here). Which is odd you'd figure they'd want to show that to bring even more emotion to their cause. Overall it looks like a scripted cinematic. That is minus the body presented afterwards which seems more real than the rest of the video. Surely by now someone has or will compare/contrast that video still.

a reply to: Taggart

I might be wrong, but now, if you were a journalist and knew what your fate would be if you got kidnapped by these Cowards, and even if you were just a normal civilian in these terror zones. Why for crying out loud aren't they at least carrying a pistol for protection. These guys have to come close, they are ok killing unarmed civilians, it must be a real buzz for a psychopath. It also seems that after a period of brainwashing, they think it doesn't matter what they do to an Infidel, but I wouldn't like their dreams, how many heads do you have to cut off before you can be considered criminally insane?, just the one in my book, and good enough to be shot on sight, the world has moved on from headhunting.

originally posted by: windword


Why was the sound so perfect? I thought the guy with the English accent was a translator's voice that had been dubbed over the ISIS guy's voice, but there is no sound difference between James Foley and the ISIS guy with the English accent, no wind or background noise either. It sounds like the sound track was laid down later in a sound studio.

Foley was wearing a professional type mic on his shirt, and the British guy probably was too. I don't know if those are normally noise-cancelling, but I noticed the mic immediately. I thought that was a bit odd

Apart from ATS how much of a conversation is going on about the video being fake? Any chance it was an attempt to get people saying "why did it fade to black?" a-la The Soprano's finale? Horrific gruesomeness perhaps is no longer producing the dividends they seek. They want to stay on peoples minds and keep people talking about them. This tactic greatly expands the number of things people can discuss about the video instead of being relegated to simply pondering its brutality.

I haven't watched the video so I can't offer an opinion as to its veracity but I can see an edited video being more viable than an unedited video if only for the fact that it hasn't been done before and therefore creates a conversation.

The only thing I can comment on is the small knife because I made the mistake of watching the Nick Berg video and they used a small knife in that video as well.

a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

I don't know, maybe it's fake, I hope it for Foley and his family. But the philosophy behind the video stays the same. And IS makes a very big mistake. Or the video itself has to be made by the USA to convince the world of the gruesome mind that hangs above IS. The two possibilities will reach the same result: the destruction of IS. Obama and others don't use the name ISIS, the greatest goddess of all time, and part of the great mystery of human origin. The name ISIS for such an organization must be a slap in the face of the rulers of this world.

At first I had a good think of why the video looked so odd and why the fade to black BUT if it took 7 mins to get the head off then I fully understand. If the head comes off quickly then it shows IS as 'perfect ruthless killers', the fact they can kill in this way acts as an act of fear for Non Islamics, "look how brutal we are" but if it took 7 mins then it shows them in the light as bumbling barbaric savages which for them is negative.

They are barbaric savages to us and rightly so but there's still some image thought amongst them at higher levels.

Please excuse the bluntness of how I've spoken, I'm trying to separate the despicable killing of an innocent man from the act of killing in that fashion.

I posted the following on another thread discussing James Wright Foley and it belongs in this thread as well IMO

For god sake, I'm getting sick of hearing that the video is fake, perhaps its because this is a conspiracy site and attracts certain individuals who will cast aspersions that everything is faked unless they had a ring side seat at the execution.

Whilst people are entitled to their opinion, some ATS members have been drivelling on for nearly three days how this video is a fake.

JAMES WRIGHT FOLEY was executed by decapitation this week. Just because some sick individuals never got to see the whole "Snuff Movie" to appease their morbid fascination of a fellow human being loosing his life, does not mean the video is faked.

Read the newspapers to see how James Foley was treated by his captors as they knew his brother John was in the American Military, and this following story is from the actual fellow French Hostages that were released last year and they speak about how James was singled out and had many mock executions and a mock crucifixion as they were held captive with James. This may not fit nicely with some members view of events, but I am more likely to listen to someone who was actually held captive with James rather than a bunch of morbid users on ATS who wanted to see blood and gore or it didn't happen crowd.

Read Story Here

Possible reasons why some poor ATS members were not able to appease their morbid appetite for Gore;

1) Perhaps when James finally realised he was actually not in a mock execution, he started to fight back the best he could and this was not shown for obvious reasons

2) Perhaps the Barbarians who were carrying out the execution messed up and had to have someone else come in and help finish of the job.

Who knows why these Barbarians never showed the whole video.

At this moment in time, I am ashamed to be a member on ATS, thank god a majority of members on this site do not hold the same fascination as the "Snuff Movie" crowd.

Sorry for the rant but its been boiling up for a couple of days now and its sickening to see the same users saying the same thing time and time again without any evidence to back up their obnoxious claims.

I haven't seen the video. But...if people think it may be fake, lets play this out and get some opinions. WHO and WHY?

Who: Obama.
Why: He can't actually address anything successfully. Maybe he can seem to handle something if it is scripted by his own people.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
I haven't seen the video. But...if people think it may be fake, lets play this out and get some opinions. WHO and WHY?

Who: Obama.
Why: He can't actually address anything successfully. Maybe he can seem to handle something if it is scripted by his own people.

Or..... perhaps we will never know for sure and when James Foley's body if and when repatriated to the US we can actually show some respect for the poor man and his family instead of believing the video is a fake!

It's not a fake, they killed him. They cut away form the gruesome parts so you people couldn't see the actual act. By not seeing the actual act, you, in turn, make threads like this. Take off your tin hats and see the big picture. ISIS has been killing people left and right.

originally posted by: AnAbsoluteCreation

Yes I did , it's a more sane reason than their leader being Mossad , the last thing they need is another military power bombing them back to the stone age.

No it's not. I'm sorry but you are just ill informed to the treachery of modern government. Us congress funded ISIS to the tune of 500 million dollars less than two years ago. John McCain was pictured with ISIS leaders when they were our friends.

And to make your point even further ridiculous, the guy called out America in his video. You know, the America that has the biggest military in the world. Israel is peanuts to us. So if they are worried snout military strength, why call out America?

Not to mention, their supposed beef is with the killing of Muslims. Israel kills a few thousand every few months in Gaza. Moreover, a Dutch security official came out and said ISIS is a Israel creation, something those of us with knowledge have suspected for a couple years.

Why ? for expressing my opinion !
Whatever.

It's an uneducated opinion. Not to be rude, but your point was not even logical, all things considered.

AAC

1) America funded the Taliban during the Afghan/Russia war in the 80s, because enemies of enemies are friends. The Taliban then turned on us.

2) America funded ISIS also, for the same reasons. Funding an enemy of an enemy, and then having that enemy turn on you, is not the same as supporting that enemy throughout, even after they turn on you.

Blame America for funding ISIS. I'm all for it. But to say that ISIS is currently doing America's bidding in the middle east because America once funded them is akin to saying America brought down the WTC because we once funded the Taliban in Afghanistan to weaken Russia.

Bad foreign policy decisions don't always equal "conspiracy." Sometimes the enemy of your enemy, that you decided to once fund, turns on you. It has nothing to do with being current "operatives" of America or Israel though.

A proper reading of political motives and history is needed, or heck just take the easy way out and say "America funded ISIS to fight Assad in Syria, therefore, America owns ISIS, then, now, and always..." Ignorant.

You want to blame America for creating the Isis monster? Go for it. I agree. You want to say America is STILL working to make Isis a force to do their dirty work? Just dumb. Isis is no different than the Taliban was, in terms of being a political spawn of the West used to fight a percieved "enemy" that then turned on their "sponsors."

The West should be criticized for their continued belief in their own power to manipulate situations to their advantage by "using" certain groups in certain ways, and funding them as a means to an end, but to assume that when the groups they fund turn on them, then that MUST mean 'Murica knew all along they would, and are part of a nefarious plot, well, it's just silly. It's akin to saying Rome knew all the barbarians they employed to fight in their legions would eventually turn on them. This game of paying/funding "outsiders" to do dirty work for you is as old as history itself. That groups turn on their benefactors to eventually wage war against them is nothing new under the sun except to those with absilutely ZERO knowledge of history. Such is the case here. But why study history at any length when it's so intriguing and easy to just claim that since America gave Isis their start, they are therefore onboard and in agreeance (secretly, of course....) with their current MO?

Jumping around like a screaming monkey in a zoo, flinging feces around the cage is so much easier than actually knowing a damn thing about world history and modern geopolitics.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, is as old as history itself, yet somehow, when America uses an enemy to fight another enemy, and that enemy then turns on AMerica and the West, it was all part of some nefarious, long range plot.

Criticize the West and the US as much as you want for constantly backing bad apples. It's the truth. We never learn. But to assume that since they originally backed a bad group, then we are with them even when they turn on us, is just assinine and thwarts all history and logic.

3) Isis won't attack Israel because unlike the rest of the West, they know Israel won't have a bunch of meetings to decide what to do about Isis, they will just act, and act unilaterally if threatened. Israel is concerned about Israel, nothing more, nothing less. If Isis was moving in a coordinated way to attack Israel, Israel would act, but since Isis is filled with cowards who only attack the weak, innocent, unarmed and handcuffed, and stay away from Israel, Israel has no beef with them, militarily. Let Isis encroach on Israel and threaten them, and see what happens.

Why hasn't Isis attacked Israel? Because they are cowards who cut off people's heads and say "we're mad that you guys are bombing us now. See...we thought Obama was a pussy and wouldn't do anything, but he actually did some stuff eventually, and is hurting our efforts now, so we're desperate, and we want the bombing to stop, so we're going to cut off heads and videoptape it for you, and we'll cut off more heads if you keep bombing us..."

They have no similar illusions about how long Israel would take to decide to use force against them, so they leave them alone. Isis is adept at rolling into towns where people offer little resitance. A coward is not going to take on someone who they know will go all out to kick their ass, so they leave Israel alone, knowing they will kick their ass They DID have illusions about America not doing anything in Iraq, because for months America DIDN'T do anything. When AMerica finally acted, Isis finally started trying to bribe us to stop dropping bombs, or American heads will roll, literally. They know Israel, and they know Israel would have no hesitation to act, the way America hesitates. That America hesitates and they underestimate her is the fault of Isis and America, not Israel.

Or maybe people who say "Israel isn't even doing anything about Isis. therefore, Isis is linked with Israel" simply know nothing of the situation. What would you have Israel do to prove they're against Isis? Invade Syria and Iraq? That would go over well. They can't even defend themselves against indiscriminate rocket attacks against civilians without the jew-hater brigades screaming like stuck pigs, but these same Jew-haters then try to link Isis with Israel because Israel does nothing to stop Isis, and Isis is too cowardly to attack an Israel that wouldn't hesitate for a second to strike back at them if threatened in any way by them.

The Jew haters can never make up their minds. On the one hand, they want to say Isis is an Israeli creation, but then on the other hand, they scream bloody murder when Israel doesn't go after Isis, even though they'd scream even louder if "the zionists" encroached/flew in Syrian/Iraqi airspace to deal military blows to Isis. They want to say Israel funds Isis, yet would cry like children having a tantrum if Israel violated national borders to attack/defeat Isis. Too damn funny to watch the pretzel logic of it all.

Perhaps "Wallow in ignorance" should be the byline of this site, instead of "deny ignorance."