ISIS beheads US Journalist James Wright Foley

originally posted by: RedParrotHead
a reply to: Walkingsenseless


Let's not be vague. Not that I disagree with any of the above but how do we justify genocide? Are we there yet?

I'll tell you what the US Gov. is thinking right now...

One American publicly executed.

Utterly horrific eye witness accounts of ISIS going into villages raping women and children and then burying them alive while families are forced to watch.

Another American displayed as the next potential beheading unless the US ceases the air strikes...

Pres. Obama, for better or worse, loves Spec Ops and Seal Teams. Right now he has everyone at the Pentagon/CIA/NSA scrambling for a location of that remaining American Journalist. Human intelligence, wire/internet taps, spy satellites and drones and analysts squinting at the video, correlating time, day, weather, geography with other intelligence. If he can get a specific location, Spec Ops will thunder down on that unit some day soon at about 3AM local time when they are least alert.

If they can't find the remaining hostage, hell knows what the next step is. I don't want us engaged in another ambiguous conflict with heavy boots on the ground, but I will feel better when the US figures out a way to turn these guys into pink mist on regular basis.

ISIS reminds me of the Mexican Cartels these days. ISIS has a culture of gleeful sociopathy. Anyone that does not join them is considered less than human. The accounts by survivors have just been utterly horrific.

a reply to: Walkingsenseless

That may be so but Bush is the one ultimately responsible for this ISIL mess.

And whatever he would do if he were in office doesn’t matter now since he isn’t going to get back in office.

a reply to: crazyewok

What im saying is a tactical point. The First Bush did form a successful coalition something that Obama seems to be unable to do.

a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

Now we know why he ended up over there away from that family!

U.S. Confirms Authenticity of Video Showing Journalist's Beheading
Islamic State Says it Killed American James Foley in Retaliation for U.S. Airstrikes in Iraq

online.wsj.com...

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: crazyewok

What im saying is a tactical point. The First Bush did form a successful coalition something that Obama seems to be unable to do.

Problem is Bush Jr cried wolf too much and now all the US allies are worn out and fed up with war.

originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys
What the hell is wrong with the Foley family? They seem VERY weird. I can't believe the father was up there joking and laughing. The mother sounds like a kook!!!! I mean they want passion for the captors? What the hell is wrong with Americans nowadays? WTF??????? These parents and their son just stand there without any hint of loss or emotion making jokes, smiling, laughing………and they want to have mercy on their captors? Very weird! YOUR SON WAS JUST BEHEADED!!!!!!!!!

I noticed, weird

a reply to: Willtell

The mother sounds like your typical liberal dingbat! "Oh those poor terrorists believe in what they are doing"…….WTF?

a reply to: crazyewok

NO... the first bush in 1988 I am talking about: George HW Bush Not that dummy George W. Bush

This is no big thing the world destroyed NAZISM so the world could destroy ISIL

And ISIL is no where near as powerful as NAZISM became.

All the knuckle head Obama has to do is form an alliance with Syria, Turkey, Jordon, Iran, Iraq, the Kurds and the UN and the NATO countries and form an expeditionary force to destroy them!

This is easy comparatively

Ask any military historian how easy it can be to annihilate them since they are just a war lord type Army with no mountains or jungles or nation they can hide in.

They can be like target ptactice

Isis is carrying out the orders of the Antichrist in which the Obama administration is part of. This calculation is not a coincidence!

ISIS | JAMES WRIGHT FOLEY | BEHEADED | BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II | JOSEPH ROBINETTE BIDEN = (56) + (196) + (34) + (165) + (215) = 666!
"This slaying has the number of the beast all over it"!

originally posted by: Willtell
This is no big thing the world destroyed NAZISM so the world could destroy ISIL

And ISIL is no where near as powerful as NAZISM became.

All the knuckle head Obama has to do is form an alliance with Syria, Turkey, Jordon, Iran, Iraq, the Kurds and the UN and the NATO countries and form an expeditionary force to destroy them!

This is easy comparatively

Ask any military historian how easy it can be to annihilate them since they are just a war lord type Army with no mountains or jungles or nation they can hide in.

They can be like target ptactice

But NAZI ideology was linked to white western culture. We understood that.

We are dealing with ME culture and its something he have a history of screwing up when trying to deal with it.

a reply to: Willtell

Maybe if you are done blaming George W. Bush for all of the worlds problems we can get back on topic. What do you think the US should or can do at this time? I don't buy the argument that attacking evil just creates more evil. At some point everyone is going to have to realize that some evil can't be overlooked, contained, managed or rehabilitated. It just simply has to be killed - before it kills you. Call me whatever you wish. I just think I see the world as it really is rather than how I think it would be if we were just more friendly or some other kind of hogwash.

Obama administration believes the video is REAL
Link

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Walkingsenseless

That may be so but Bush is the one ultimately responsible for this ISIL mess.

I am no fan of Pres. Bush...but why not blame the Pope and the Crusades? I think it would be difficult to lay the blame for ISIS at any President's feet right now.

a reply to: Indigo5

I agree,

Remember the prophetic words of Colin Powell,

Colin Powell to Bush: 'If you break it (Iraq), you own it', Yes it was the fault of the last administration and the corporate profiteers that broke Iraq, but it is the present administration fault that we abandon Iraq and released terrorist back into the middle east.

Iraq was never ready to be on its own, I know I know US can not be the police nation of the world but the Iraq of today is the result of US policing the world after all.

Like many have said before in this thread, we as humans tend not to put a face to terror until it hits home, that is when profiteers cash on agendas, people get outraged when a fellow American is killed for the world to see specially Americans, that in turn make us scream for retaliation, that in return falls nicely on the hands of the ones behind the agendas.

I do not expect president Obama to invade Iraq, but I expect the next siting president to do so, why? because Obama doesn't have enough time to plan a war, but the next president will.

The natural human reaction is to be appalled. When I first watched it I was not planning on questioning its legitimacy, but my confidence was bolstered by statements from certain media organizations, and the US government, that they were trying to confirm the authenticity of the video. I am not saying this depicts anything other than a horrific act perpetrated by ISIS militants, I am just stating it is something to consider. And with that in mind, I would like to address some points. The British accent is not that strange to be honest, but I wasn't expecting it, but it is known that militants are joining ISIS from the UK.

Having seen these types of videos released by other terrorist organizations, I find it unusual that they spared the gore. Some think that they want the US to come after them, as this makes it easier for them to recruit new members...Which is true, but I don't think is the case with ISIS. They don't want to go underground and build their strength, because they realize that success will swell their ranks. Some have postulated that editing out the gore makes it more suitable for television in the West, which is plausible, but I still haven't seen any media outlet show the video on television. I'm sure many are carrying it online, but I haven't checked. But the problem with this reasoning, in my personal opinion, is that videos can always be edited. Why sanitize something for the media when the media will sanitize it themselves? Just something to consider. But another thing to consider is why ISIS would care in the first place? Why even go through the trouble of editing anything out? If they want us to believe they killed him, editing the video just raises more questions. So if they wanted to make an unequivocal statement like that why edit the video?

Then there is the idea that they do or they don't wish to enrage Americans. They must know that they will not be able to intimidate the US with stuff like this, so other than that what is the point? They must know that killing US citizens will do more to unite and enrage people than get them to back down. This is their own recruiting tactic isn't it? The US goes to the region and starts killing people, and it is used to sign up new recruits. So they cannot be trying to intimidate us in my opinion, at least not with the thought that it will in fact intimidate us. It just seems strange is all. This is not conclusive however.

For those who didn't watch the video, there is only one portion that shows any nasty stuff, and that is not a video but a still image. I will save you the details since if you didn't watch it you did not do so for that reason. The only other part of the video that shows any portion of the execution is when the guy starts using his tactical knife on the journalist's neck. This sounds bad obviously, and of course it is, but I just mean you don't see any blood or anything. I bring this up for exactly that reason. The knife moves across the throat a number of times yet there is no obvious sign of damage to this region, or any other region. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but certainly this is one area of the body that would cause a massive outpouring of fluid if the artery was broken correct? Now the following statement is gruesome, but it could explain this: the knife was dull, or there was not enough pressure being placed by the murderer in the video. The implications of that are quite horrible, and I will just leave it at that.

I understand that even the description may be unnerving to say the least, but such analysis is, imo, necessary. It is necessary just in case there is any possibility it was in fact somehow staged, or those involved were not who was claimed to be involved, or whatever conspiracy theory. And if it is confirmed to be genuine these questions are still relevant, as it allows us to better understand what we are dealing with. There is not enough evidence for me to conclusively say that this or that is what happened, or "this" is how it happened. Some will say "but the video shows you what happened". Maybe, but I say the video only provides a still image of what was claimed to have happened. Which again could very well be authentic in its graphic detail. I am not claiming otherwise, rather I am just raising possibilities. Now I am not an expert on digital photo editing, so I pose this question to those with more knowledge. How difficult would the still image at the end of the video be to fabricate? If it is not something that is possible then I will certainly dismiss any theories to the contrary.

Because of the nature of this post I would like to clarify that I am not stating any of this as fact. All I am saying is that the video itself shows no execution. It does show the person in question, and it does show what looks like his execution. While I think it likely did occur like the video shows, because the video didn't show the entire scene I still hold some doubt as to its legitimacy. This is completely understandable. I am not going to accuse any particular government of involvement or anything, although that too is a possibility. I am reminded of the Nick Berg execution video, which some claimed to have been hoaxed. Except for the fact that Berg's body was later found. This implies that "if" it was staged, he was still murdered. Something like that should also be considered in a case like this.

Which obviously begs the question...Why stage an execution video only to murder the person later? For that reason alone I think the video is real. We know ISIS is murdering people over there, and I imagine they would love to get their hands on US citizens. So while it is still a mystery to me why the edited the video the way they did, I don't think this implies a hoax. It is a possibility, but probably has an extremely low probability of being what actually happened. Something I forgot to address was his apparent complacency, which I have heard other bring up in various discussions. I think the most logical explanation is that, him being held captive for such a long time, he had been subjected to a number of mock executions as well as torture. So the fact that he read the statement that he did, and it is obvious he was reading it, does not imply that he is a "traitor" to his country or any nonsense like that. This same scenario had likely played out a number of times without them actually going through with the execution. That is horrible to think about, but ignoring such things doesn't make them go away. ISIS isn't going to go away because we want them to.

a reply to: itguysrule

No body blamed him for everything. I brought him up in response to a poster saying he would have attacked Iraq by now. As for what should we do now I have posted a plan right here that eventually Obama will have no choice in enacting

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Willtell

Nazism is still prevalent in the United States Government today. Let's face it Great Britain & the United States are the 1st and 2nd beasts of Revelation 13:1-18, even though this is not "public knowledge", or preached from the pulpit.

THE ANTICHRIST: ADOLF HITLER | PRINCE OF DARKNESS | NAZISM | BERLIN, GERMANY = (264) + (177) + (82) + (143) = 666!
WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON | PRINCE OF DARKNESS |KAROL JOZEF WOJTYLA = (264) + (177) + (225) = 666!

John Paul II was pope during the Clinton & Bush administrations. It's 225 years from the year 1776 to 2001. George Walker Bush adds to (177), and "GROUND ZERO" as well as "MASS DECEPTION" adds to (143).

I believe September 11, 2001 put us on the road to Armageddon!
The term "Armageddon" adds to (82)! We need to stop pretending that we are not being deceived... and start doing something about it!

The family have been doing the grief process for couple of years allready as they must have known and even adviced not to expect too much for his survival. Grief doesn´t come to all at once, to some it hits later and harder.

there is nothing what would make actions of ISIS acceptaple, even if its US paid troop it still doesn´t make their actions approvable as no modern civilized country accept ultimate violence, beheading, raping and torture of innocent civilians just because they bow to "wrong" God or are different sect of religion.
What ISIS is, its a sick organization which attracts not only fundamentalists in their area of World but also those short headed young muslim teens who have been raised and born in western countries who have identity crises and also have the thug mentality are easily brainwashed to do these disgusting violent actions abroad.

The problem is not only a Middle East problem it is World Wide problem as these criminals are coming back to our countries and they are pretty much enabled by their relatives and fundamentalist imams while they are fighting in ME.

Whatever it takes, they need to be stopped. Every childs life is worth more than these criminals together.