Mike Brown may have paid for cigars, the storeowners never called 911.

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

Your understanding of criminal law is highly deficient. You do not need the clerk to call for it to be a felony. It is a felony once it is committed (as is obvious to all rational people viewing that video).

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

Is that so? It is off topic to link a statement by Mr. Johnson's attorney that confirms it was theft (and since he shoved the clerk, assault, and a felony) since you think he is not credible?

Sorry, your Original Post's premise is shot. Mr. Brown committed felony robbery.

Again.. you don't understand the premise of the thread. It isn't whether or not he committed robbery. I added that information. The premise of the thread is the fact that the store owners didn't call the police and allegedly a customer did.

That's odd and may not be true. People should demand the 911 call.

You can't understand, so I'm not going to keep wasting time on you.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

Your understanding of criminal law is highly deficient. You do not need the clerk to call for it to be a felony. It is a felony once it is committed (as is obvious to all rational people viewing that video).

My GOD are you really so dim. Of course whether or not he calls changes the whether or not it was a crime. Seriously are all there? The relevance of the call is that the call that may or not have happened is the reason the confrontation between the officer and Brown happened.

HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

Who called is irrelevant to the felonious actions perpetrated by Mr. Brown. They happened.

Did the police use telepathy to find out about the robbery? Someone obviously tipped them.

originally posted by: Doodle19815
a reply to: Vasa Croe

And frankly, I question why it was cut short....

For people like the OP that want to believe he paid for something and did not rough the clerk up. The original one that was release shows the entire altercation with no cuts....even has the clerk coming around the counter towards the door to block him from leaving and confront him. He walks right past brown towards the door then the other camera, recorded on the same loop, shows from the angle of the door and the confrontation that occurs between them.

Does anyone know when the tapes were collected? I can't find that info anywhere.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Vasa Croe

The town itself is not a nice town in general. Plenty of crime goes on there, and just like most crime ridden areas, there is a code of silence or something will happen to you.

how many nice towns are there in the U.S where this kind of thing does not happen ?

The one that I grew up in was that way... and still is.

so where do you get this knowledge from then since you grew up in such a nice town ...?

do you have first hand knowledge of this or did you watch it on TV ?

I have lived in more than one place in my life.
I have traveled.
I am not 18 years old, so I have lived in more than one town and more than one state.

so you can personally vouch to the fact that living in a town that is not so nice if you witness a crime and speak out your life is in danger ?

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Vasa Croe

If I saw someone shoplift cheap cigars.. no I wouldn't call the cops.

Why would the shop owner lie about not making the call.. it could be disproved pretty easily.

Really? So someone strong arm robs the person next to you, even grabbing them by the shirt collar and shoving them back and you would do nothing?

If he shoved him and walked off.. no I would not try to escalate the situation.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

to be fair he was only partially wrong about the shooting
he was wrong that the officer shot him from behind but (understandable as he was apparently scared and running at the time and would likely have been confused and not been able to see what was occurring until stopping when he took cover)
however he was likely correct that the officer was standing over him and fired seven more shots after he was down

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

They are irrelevant if the officer that shot him wasn't aware of them.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
My GOD are you really so dim. Of course whether or not he calls changes the whether or not it was a crime.

What? What? What?

So using your fractured logic I can shoot someone dead and it is only a crime if the victim calls it in.

And you called me dim...

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

They are relevant as this is a robbery, which you called into question.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

There is absolutely no proof of that. If he didn't pay (which video seems to indicate he did pay) then it was shoplifting.

if you notice at no time in the video do you see any money in his hand or him even reaching into his pocket for any money.

in the video you posted, which you can tell has been edited from the original, by cutting pieces out, you can tell that when all of a sudden his movement is jerking and his position is very different, and it's not the whole video. then he has moved from when it started. from the beginning, if you watch it real close you see him standing there with his hands behind his back, he then leans in reaches for something and hands it to his buddy, then turns and leans on the counter.a few seconds later he reaches in grabs some cigars.

i repeat Never once do you see any money in his hands from this cut up edited video cut from the original.

why didn't you use the one that was originally released to prove your point instead of a hack piece such as this that doesn't even prove your point, in fact it's counter to what you've been saying.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

I didn't get to answer you because I have been dealing with ignorance.

I don't know. It's possible, but I doubt it. I think it's just very important to prove that call exists considering that is the justification used for the officer to re approach a teen he had already hassled.

See.. you can't even talk about these things. I think Brown was an asshole personally. However the cop is a murderer and the shooting was unjustified and being an asshole isn't enough to deserve being shot.

originally posted by: sirhumperdink
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

to be fair he was only partially wrong about the shooting
he was wrong that the officer shot him from behind but (understandable as he was apparently scared and running at the time and would likely have been confused and not been able to see what was occurring until stopping when he took cover)
however he was likely correct that the officer was standing over him and fired seven more shots after he was down

Doubtful with the placement of the shots and the way his body was laying face down in the street. He was only shot in the front so he collapsed forward coming face down as all the pics and videos show. If you are standing over someone firing you are going to have much better placement of shots as well. That and the independent autopsy the family had done showed no powder burns on him so out the door goes that theory......

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

well somebody appears to have tipped them off thats true
when is the issue
was it before or after the shooting

there is evidence that they were not aware of the robbery until after the shooting had occurred
the police chief states this outright
they made no mention of the robbery call for a very substantial period of time after the shooting
and they have yet to release any evidence that would support their narrative

a reply to: sirhumperdink

however he was likely correct that the officer was standing over him and fired seven more shots after he was down

Michael Brown was lying face down.
Shouldn't there be 7 entrance wounds in his posterior side if the officer fired that many rounds standing over him after he was down?

originally posted by: Doodle19815
Does anyone know when the tapes were collected? I can't find that info anywhere.

and i suspect you will not find either

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Vasa Croe

The town itself is not a nice town in general. Plenty of crime goes on there, and just like most crime ridden areas, there is a code of silence or something will happen to you.

how many nice towns are there in the U.S where this kind of thing does not happen ?

The one that I grew up in was that way... and still is.

so where do you get this knowledge from then since you grew up in such a nice town ...?

do you have first hand knowledge of this or did you watch it on TV ?

I have lived in more than one place in my life.
I have traveled.
I am not 18 years old, so I have lived in more than one town and more than one state.

so you can personally vouch to the fact that living in a town that is not so nice if you witness a crime and speak out your life is in danger ?

When did you ask that of me?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
My GOD are you really so dim. Of course whether or not he calls changes the whether or not it was a crime.

What? What? What?

So using your fractured logic I can shoot someone dead and it is only a crime if the victim calls it in.

And you called me dim...

thats not fractured logic actually
i believe the store owner would have to press charges for it to be considered criminal action
so he actually is correct