Brown Autopsy Report Leaked by NYT

Link to the autopsy report. Note that it is the one requested by the Brown family and note the entry locations.

Autopsy Report

I count 9 wounds here, and I've read that the cop didn't even know about the gas station theft.

A video has got to surface, or this will not be resolved anytime soon.

“In my capacity as the forensic examiner for the New York State Police, I would say, ‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times,’ ” said Dr. Baden, who retired from the state police in 2011. “Right now there is too little information to forensically reconstruct the shooting.”

I found that interesting, but agree that there is still not enough information to reconstruct the shooting/determine precise guilt.

I suppose this will indeed come down to a he said, she said thing. Eye witness accounts will be very valuable when this goes to trial.

It's a sad situation all the way around.

ETA - That the results also stated that the shots appeared to be fired from a distance as there was no gunpowder residue on the victim's skin. He did however say that there could be residue on his clothing which he did not have access to. So if there isn't gunpowder on the skin and none found on the clothing (when it's tested) I wonder what that will say then? Even if he tussled with the officer, would it give that officer the right to shoot and kill him after he had backed a safe distance away??

If gunpowder residue is found on the clothing I would think this would be in the officer's favor as it would show Brown was extremely close to him when the shooting happened. It's a waiting game to get the rest of the pieces I suppose.

This is the evidence of poor training. Too many bullets. None to the lower extremities to keep him put and a top of the head shot?

This shows serious issues on the police officers value of this mans life.

a reply to: backwherewestarted

Well the "shot in the back" just went out the window. The witness report - someone was caught on a cell phone talking to police - said that Brown was initially running away, but when the cop got out of his car, Brown turned toward him and tried to "bullrush the cop". Not sure if that is posted here in one of the many threads or not. The witness also said that Brown was seen leaning into the cop car and then ran from it. Shots or a shot was heard while Brown was leaning into the car.

I don't think people, or at least some people, want to know the truth or let it be known.

a reply to: Iamthatbish

Not necessarily evidence of poor training. There has been no public information on the police officer. Darren may have had a concussion or may have had a facial injury that was affecting his aim. Also, a concussion may explain why Darren fired so many shots.

He was by himself with two young men; Michael and Dorian whose intentions we do not know as of yet.

a reply to: backwherewestarted

I don't like this at all. Even if he did steal a box of cigars cops have no right to execute people in the street. Something that seems to be happening at an alarming rate.

There's a reason we have courts, judges and juries in this country. Guess it's easier just to shoot people now and save taxpayer money. No wonder people hate cops.

The medical examiner also was inconclusive as to whether Michael had been surrendering or charging when the fatal shot occurred. Also, the medical examiner said that Michael could not have survived if an ambulance had even been called.

Don't forget the average person doesn't understand what the see forensicly.

a reply to: Bilk22

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
This is the evidence of poor training. Too many bullets. None to the lower extremities to keep him put and a top of the head shot?

This shows serious issues on the police officers value of this mans life.

OPINION ON MY PART

The top of the head shot was most likely not intentional. You watch too many movies if you expected him to shoot out both his knee caps and then cuff him.

Most police officers aren't sharp shooters and only shoot at a firing range. As far as I know law enforcement is taught to aim for centre mass because it's the biggest target.

Again, as far as I know, this wasn't a back and forth fire fight so wouldn't be as tense as someone shooting back at the officer, but depending on how threatened he felt for whatever reason and his state of mind, if he felt his life was threatened then he could have overdone it. I couldn't say. Never been in a situation like that whatever that situation may have been (which we don't currently know).

originally posted by: Bilk22
a reply to: backwherewestarted

Well the "shot in the back" just went out the window. The witness report - someone was caught on a cell phone talking to police - said that Brown was initially running away, but when the cop got out of his car, Brown turned toward him and tried to "bullrush the cop". Not sure if that is posted here in one of the many threads or not. The witness also said that Brown was seen leaning into the cop car and then ran from it. Shots or a shot was heard while Brown was leaning into the car.

I don't think people, or at least some people, want to know the truth or let it be known.

The report said that the shot he received at the top of his head appeared to happened when he had his head angled downward, so that could fit in with "bull rushing" the cop. I do think that many people don't want to know the truth. I agree with you 100% on that. They will feel like they can't let this go or the conversations that we've maybe needed to have will be gone. Nothing will be resolved and so on. That doesn't have to be the case though.

Everyone should seek out justice. Not their form of it or what they hope/think it needs to be and then continue the conversations and working for change afterwards. If it didn't happen like so many were led to believe it did, accept that and move forward to try and make the changes you were protesting for to begin with. There are conversations that need to be had, and there are things that need to be changed... That doesn't change if Michael Brown was not murdered in cold blood.

originally posted by: feldercarb
a reply to: Iamthatbish

Not necessarily evidence of poor training. There has been no public information on the police officer. Darren may have had a concussion or may have had a facial injury that was affecting his aim. Also, a concussion may explain why Darren fired so many shots.

He was by himself with two young men; Michael and Dorian whose intentions we do not know as of yet.

You may be right. My sympathy however only goes so far. I was under the impression training was supposed to make everything an unconscious action.

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe

originally posted by: Bilk22
a reply to: backwherewestarted

Well the "shot in the back" just went out the window. The witness report - someone was caught on a cell phone talking to police - said that Brown was initially running away, but when the cop got out of his car, Brown turned toward him and tried to "bullrush the cop". Not sure if that is posted here in one of the many threads or not. The witness also said that Brown was seen leaning into the cop car and then ran from it. Shots or a shot was heard while Brown was leaning into the car.

I don't think people, or at least some people, want to know the truth or let it be known.

The report said that the shot he received at the top of his head appeared to happened when he had his head angled downward, so that could fit in with "bull rushing" the cop. I do think that many people don't want to know the truth. I agree with you 100% on that. They will feel like they can't let this go or the conversations that we've maybe needed to have will be gone. Nothing will be resolved and so on. That doesn't have to be the case though.

Everyone should seek out justice. Not their form of it or what they hope/think it needs to be and then continue the conversations and working for change afterwards. If it didn't happen like so many were led to believe it did, accept that and move forward to try and make the changes you were protesting for to begin with. There are conversations that need to be had, and there are things that need to be changed... That doesn't change if Michael Brown was not murdered in cold blood.

Not sure I follow. So in order for there to be "justice" they need to find that Brown was "murdered in cold blood"?

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
This is the evidence of poor training. Too many bullets. None to the lower extremities to keep him put and a top of the head shot?

This shows serious issues on the police officers value of this mans life.

You don't shoot lower extremities. When you shoot you shoot for the chest. Shooting should be a last resort.

a reply to: Iamthatbish

That would work only if you did not have a concussion or some type of serious injury to the head. Remember it was said that the officer; Darren had went to the hospital due to a wound to the head. The head injury could have seriously affected Darren's ability to think correctly.

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe

originally posted by: Bilk22
a reply to: backwherewestarted

Well the "shot in the back" just went out the window. The witness report - someone was caught on a cell phone talking to police - said that Brown was initially running away, but when the cop got out of his car, Brown turned toward him and tried to "bullrush the cop". Not sure if that is posted here in one of the many threads or not. The witness also said that Brown was seen leaning into the cop car and then ran from it. Shots or a shot was heard while Brown was leaning into the car.

I don't think people, or at least some people, want to know the truth or let it be known.

The report said that the shot he received at the top of his head appeared to happened when he had his head angled downward, so that could fit in with "bull rushing" the cop. I do think that many people don't want to know the truth. I agree with you 100% on that. They will feel like they can't let this go or the conversations that we've maybe needed to have will be gone. Nothing will be resolved and so on. That doesn't have to be the case though.

Everyone should seek out justice. Not their form of it or what they hope/think it needs to be and then continue the conversations and working for change afterwards. If it didn't happen like so many were led to believe it did, accept that and move forward to try and make the changes you were protesting for to begin with. There are conversations that need to be had, and there are things that need to be changed... That doesn't change if Michael Brown was not murdered in cold blood.

Not sure I follow. So in order for there to be "justice" they need to find that Brown was "murdered in cold blood"?

No!! I am saying that if it comes to light that the cop had no alternative than to fire, there are still conversations that need to be had and changes that need to be made. That doesn't change if they do not find fault with the LEO in this situation. I was saying that I hope that the conversations and talks for change don't stop if the cop is found blameless.

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe

originally posted by: Bilk22
a reply to: backwherewestarted

Well the "shot in the back" just went out the window. The witness report - someone was caught on a cell phone talking to police - said that Brown was initially running away, but when the cop got out of his car, Brown turned toward him and tried to "bullrush the cop". Not sure if that is posted here in one of the many threads or not. The witness also said that Brown was seen leaning into the cop car and then ran from it. Shots or a shot was heard while Brown was leaning into the car.

I don't think people, or at least some people, want to know the truth or let it be known.

The report said that the shot he received at the top of his head appeared to happened when he had his head angled downward, so that could fit in with "bull rushing" the cop. I do think that many people don't want to know the truth. I agree with you 100% on that. They will feel like they can't let this go or the conversations that we've maybe needed to have will be gone. Nothing will be resolved and so on. That doesn't have to be the case though.

Everyone should seek out justice. Not their form of it or what they hope/think it needs to be and then continue the conversations and working for change afterwards. If it didn't happen like so many were led to believe it did, accept that and move forward to try and make the changes you were protesting for to begin with. There are conversations that need to be had, and there are things that need to be changed... That doesn't change if Michael Brown was not murdered in cold blood.

Not sure I follow. So in order for there to be "justice" they need to find that Brown was "murdered in cold blood"?

No. They are saying we should seek justice, and be open to what really happened, not stuck in what we think happened.

Either way they are saying there are conversations that need to be had to prevent this happening again.

Neck, jaw, eye and crown? Are they all bullet wounds? A shot to the arm or leg could be justified but those shots are meant to kill. You'd also have to assume that the victim was shot multiple times once he was already down.

I do like how the family attorney has already tried to spin the autopsy results. Everything the medical examiner said was inconclusive.

originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: backwherewestarted

I don't like this at all. Even if he did steal a box of cigars cops have no right to execute people in the street. Something that seems to be happening at an alarming rate.

There's a reason we have courts, judges and juries in this country. Guess it's easier just to shoot people now and save taxpayer money. No wonder people hate cops.

Michael Brown was not executed in the street for stealing a box of cigars.

Wait for the facts and forensics and Mr. Wilson's testimony. If he was being charged by this bull of a man bent on taking his service weapon and inflicting additional harm to him, he had every right to use deadly force. It's sad, but I don't care if you're 18 or 40, 6'4" 300 lbs of brute force charging at you....well, you've got to stop him.