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originally posted by: skalla
originally posted by: tsingtao
originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: Jesuslives4u
Except in the story he clearly did not destroy all living creatures, some got a ticket on a big boat.
ETA: those *cough* depictions of floods that you mention could be from the extremely well known precursor story, or just entirely totally unconnected, yunno?
ok, "cough" how did gilgamesh get all over the world?
and most likely the stories are unconnected from a central copycat story.
Gilgamesh got all over the world after the tablets were excavated, translated and published in the modern era, cough.
And of course the many depictions of floods are unconnected, except representing the commonly occurring phenomena known as flooding.
ETA: The tablets relating to the overall Epic story were excavated in the mid 1800's iirc. The name appeared in some ancient writing known prior to this but not the overall story i believe. The popularisation of the story took longer than this ofc. Personally i came across the story via Robert Silverberg - i was a fan of his books as a teen/pre teen so i came across his "Gilgamesh the King" in this manner.
What was your point?
Except in the story he clearly did not destroy all living creatures, some got a ticket on a big boat.
ETA: those *cough* depictions of floods that you mention could be from the extremely well known precursor story, or just entirely totally unconnected, yunno?
Pando (Latin for "I spread"), also known as The Trembling Giant,[1][2] is a clonal colony of a single male quaking aspen (Populus tremuloides) determined to be a single living organism by identical genetic markers[3] and assumed to have one massive underground root system. The plant is estimated to weigh collectively 6,000,000 kg (6,600 short tons),[4] making it the heaviest known organism.[5] The root system of Pando, at an estimated 80,000 years old, is among the oldest known living organisms.[6][7]
Already covered in this thread so you can discuss it there. But the lawsuit is pending by the looks of things, although he was fired for intellectual dishonesty and poor method related to him using such erroneous claims to make money as a creationist speaker by the looks of things..... this is off topic though, the very reason i suggested that Jesuslives4u start a dedicated thread on his Everest claims with sources etc
originally posted by: Jesuslives4u
I always smile when I read how many people reject the flood even though it is a story known around the world, stories and drawings found in caves around the world concerning the flood.
originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Yurp, and the crazy thing is that it is entirely possible (and quite rational imo) to have a belief in god, jesus and salvation without requiring a literal reading of The Bible. Faith does not need facts, and that is fine by me. This just serves to make people's (eta: some people's) faith look extremely shaky.
originally posted by: Jesuslives4u
Mount Everest is over 29,000 (twenty nine thousand) feet above sea level. On the top was various sea creatures found along with large salt deposits. Can you explain this?
originally posted by: Murgatroid
There is almost complete agreement among the hundreds of flood legends found among nearly all the nations and tribes worldwide.
The simple fact that so many of these accounts agree in so many vital points makes it very obvious that they could not possibly have originated from separate events.
originally posted by: FatherLukeDuke
And here is the clincher that is unarguable proof of the great flood: Petrified clams in the closed position (found all over the world) testify to their rapid burial while they were still alive, even on top of Mount Everest.
originally posted by: CherubBaby
Native global flood stories are documented as history or legend in almost every region on earth. Old world missionaries reported their amazement at finding remote tribes already possessing legends with tremendous similarities to the Bible's accounts of the worldwide flood. H.S. Bellamy in Moons, Myths and Men estimates that altogether there are over 500 Flood legends worldwide. Ancient civilizations such as (China, Babylonia, Wales, Russia, India, America, Hawaii, Scandinavia, Sumatra, Peru, and Polynesia) all have their own versions of a giant flood.
originally posted by: Sun Matrix
It's hard to find a culture without a flood story........Noah is the real deal.
originally posted by: lonewolf19792000
I hate to burst your bubble of self delusion but it must be done. Archeaology has already proved the "great flood" in fact has happened. Archeaology has also proved Jericho did exist and in the spot the bible said it did and that it was also razed and burnt to the ground. Archeaology has also proved that Troy actually did exist and that it too was razed to the ground. Archeaology has also proved that Herodium in fact did exist and many ancient cities in Israel that are in the bible actually did exist like Caesaria and even the Temple of Herod and jewish coins from the first century A.D. were in fact discovered at the base of the Mt. Moriah with maccabee inscriptions on them. Archeaology is a well established and well respected science by the world scientific community world wide, it is hardly "psuedo-science".
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
Flood myths are almost universal, and the one of the Miao people in China has preserved the names of all the patriarchs of Genesis PHONETICALLY for all those centuries. Yes, they got the names of Noah, his wife, and his sons all correct, sounding more than merely recognizable. I can't buy the local flood theories - I mean there were and are local floods, but the big one is preserved in the entire sedimentary layers around the world. You can interpret them as laid down during millions of years if you want, but I think rapid deposition is at least a valid an interpretation.
"And the odds become even longer that Noah's Flood is not an historical fact when one considers the hundreds of tribes from around the world that have ancestral knowledge of the global Flood. And yet, we are expected to ignore this overwhelming evidence because it contradicts current mainstream science and archaeology.
Hundreds of tribal legends and ancient accounts from Egypt, Babylon, and the Indus confirm the account of Noah's Flood from the book of Genesis. These tribes and ancient cultures obviously had no interest in copying a Hebrew account about a global Flood, therefore, all of these accounts must have been independently derived by the various people-groups' ancestors from the eight who were on the vessel that endured the global Flood. When the eight reproduced and spread out across the Middle East, and soon thereafter, much of the world (as some were demonstrably excellent mariners), the memory of the worldwide Flood was retained, and to a not-surprisingly great degree."
The Ancients Knew of the Global Flood
What is the significance of the various flood legends? The answer seems obvious: (a) we have well over 200 flood legends that tell of a great flood (and possibly more than 500); (b) many of the legends come from different ages and civilizations that could not possibly have copied any of the similar legends; (c) the legends were recorded long before any missionaries arrived to relate to them the Genesis account of Noah; and (d) almost all civilizations have some sort of flood legend. The conclusion to be drawn from such facts is that in the distant past, there was a colossal flood that forever affected the history of all civilizations.
Preserved in the myths and legends of almost every people on the face of the globe is the memory of the great catastrophe. While myths may not have any scientific value, yet they are significant in indicating the fact that an impression was left in the minds of the races of mankind that could not be erased.
Legends of the Flood
TextYep, creationism and a literal reading of the bible is downright stupidity and wilful ignorance. I have no issue with faith though.
He was fired because he showed a completely lack of intellectual honesty and was misrepresenting discoveries in order to make a personal profit as a speaker of creationism. And in this law suit? Mark has won no matter what.
Either Mark wins and so allows the usage of real science to make fallacious claims by protecting it as freedom of religion. Or Mark loses the cases and becomes a poster child for the expelled trope of creationists where he profits from travelling about claiming that he is the creationist science tried to silence.
The basis of his claim is this: He found a triceratops horn. There was still soft tissue in the horn. The horn is real, the find is real, the soft tissue is real. Next, he claims that no way could soft tissue survive millions of years. So that this horn must not be millions of years old, it must only be 4,000 years old. Thus, proving the Earth is only 6,000 years old. He used a couple of realisms to push a falsehood. You know what they say, the best lies have a bit of truth to them.
Technically he was wrong in a few areas, the "soft tissue" was covered with mineral deposits and had to be de-mineralized, leaving a spongy cell structure that looked like cells, but what's the big deal, as other dinosaur bones have been found with soft tissue. There is nothing that says everything inside a fossilized bone has to be replaced by minerals. Deep down inside it were bits made up of carbon making up a cell-like texture. Carbon does not change into anything else, not even after millions of years. This was carbonaceous material that has a spongy texture. It does not contradict evolution or defy the true age of dinosaurs millions of years ago.
He misled by claiming carbonaceous material could not possibly that old and thus could only be 4,000 years old, which is proof the earth is only 6,000 years old.
He's a creationist fraudster who got fired for intellectual dishonesty. He needs to go back to his fake university with his creationist degree and quit pretending to be a real scientist.
TextMark Armitage was fired for being intellectually dishonest with his findings.
originally posted by: edward777
The Nephilim taught humans how to mix with animals and also how to mix all other species. Seems to me such biotechnology would have meant the cities were more like ours, not something primitive. So are we close to a revival of this ancient civilization? Will the results be the same?
originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
originally posted by: Jesuslives4u
Mount Everest is over 29,000 (twenty nine thousand) feet above sea level. On the top was various sea creatures found along with large salt deposits. Can you explain this?
So if Mount Everest was covered in water what land on this planet would not have been covered in water?
That would be a valid argument if the Earth were a static, dead planet, but its not. The Earth is very much alive and active, geologically speaking. The oceanic fossils found on the peaks of Mount Everest are far, far older than the mountain itself, ie. it wasn't a mountain when they were deposited there. I hate to sound derisive, but seriously, they teach basic Earth sciences in middle school....