Mass Sighting Huge UFO Houston, TX

a reply to: JimOberg

Excellent! Secureteam, sigh.

a reply to: JimOberg

Another minute or two later, the shuttle crosses the terminator and daylit surface reflects 'backlighting' into the shuttle shadow, also illuminating vehicle structure in the scene, causing the auto gain control to narrow the aperture so most of the small stuff dims out.

But brighten one object in the middle while the shutter dims the rest out?


And I would also have to ask, why are they pacing the shuttle if they're just ice crystals being ejected? They're not perfectly still mind you, but if you follow the speed of the Earth's rotation and track the crystals, you can see they're not moving far enough away at the speed they should.

There are hundreds of sunrises per mission, and thousands over the life of the program. To overinterpret any particular alignment of floating stuff as being meaningful would require realizing there are thousands of trials and you're only being shown the 'interesting' ones.

Pay particular attention to this ice crystal at 1:46 as it decelerates to a stop.

originally posted by: JimOberg
ChrLzs at
www.unexplained-mysteries.com...

posted this photo of street lights in that neighborhood

You get that from this?


Where's the lamp post? Why is it on an angle?

It may have been doctored, there is nothing to suggest this hasn't been with some extra effects. That or some military toy, nothing to see, nothing alien.

a reply to: JimOberg


I don't appreciate being indirectly called a crackpot, especially after personally thanking you for sharing the link you provided... That was uncalled for. I certainly wasn't trying to prove any theory, and I made no attempt to "blow off" the astronaut's attempt at explaining the phenomena. I just put forth a perspective that no one seemed to be entertaining, like I was at that moment, because I figured it may add to the discussion.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: MarsIsRed

Yup, like I said, "one of those people". The type that doesn't use any kind of debating skills and resorts to nothing more than a few unintelligent quips.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: MarsIsRed

Yup, like I said, "one of those people". The type that doesn't use any kind of debating skills and resorts to nothing more than a few unintelligent quips.
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Might also mean "one of those people" who study ALL sides of the argument and learn the basics of spaceflight visual phenomena.

originally posted by: Emerys
a reply to: JediMindTrek

Not sure if his has been posted. But here is video from that night.

Oberg, you need to explain this video. Doesn't look like a street light to me? Your mind is clamped shut at this point, pry it open just a bit (remember the days when you were really interested in the possibilities?) 'Cause as much as I agree with you on most findings there are still moments when it could be what you're saying as well as being other . . . .

STM

a reply to: FlySolo

Great post, FlySolo! I've been busy today or I would have been on here with you. And yes, strange things do happen in big thunderstorms. All that energy electrifies our whole environment, we're electric and the charge from a massive storm invigorates us. So its no big stretch to suggest that anything or any others in our area at that time will be dealing with the extra energy too.

At times perhaps the facade comes down for them or perhaps they use the energy for whatever purposes. Or as Oberg always says, "it's ice, its a weather balloon, no, it's a flare, no, its a whatever . . . Most of the time yes, that's the answer but sometimes it could be out of our current knowledge, for example: others that share our space in some way. . . .

Having lived in Houston and having experienced intense storms and also in Austin I will go on the record and say we need to do a lot more studies on our environment and our connection with it. Once we figure that out we may have a clue on our environment's connections with "others" as in other dimensions and how it effects them. In other words we need a map of all the overlays and how it all works together.

My best,

STM

originally posted by: FlySolo...

But brighten one object in the middle while the shutter dims the rest out?

If it's your suggestion the display is deliberate, how would the displayers know which camera to line up for? Or whether anybody was looking out the window? And how do you see the strategy of making this supposedly meaningful display for this mission, and only once, and not for any other? Why doesn't a random scattering, repeated a hundred times and the most unusual highlighted, account for it?

And I would also have to ask, why are they pacing the shuttle if they're just ice crystals being ejected? They're not perfectly still mind you, but if you follow the speed of the Earth's rotation and track the crystals, you can see they're not moving far enough away at the speed they should.

"Should" is the issue here. Spaceflight is unearthly, and I've tried to explain what I learned at Mission Control in my "99 FAQs", which I wish you would read to see why pacing is normal in orbit.

Pay particular attention to this ice crystal at 1:46 as it decelerates to a stop.

But how can you know it has stopped when you have no idea of its line-of-sight distance?

originally posted by: seentoomuch..

Oberg, you need to explain this video. Doesn't look like a street light to me? Your mind is clamped shut at this point, pry it open just a bit (remember the days when you were really interested in the possibilities?) 'Cause as much as I agree with you on most findings there are still moments when it could be what you're saying as well as being other . . . .

STM

There's an explanation on the other thread, but I'm not arguing for any particular one, there are better experts there offering more insightful answers than I have.

originally posted by: sixandone
a reply to: JimOberg


I don't appreciate being indirectly called a crackpot, especially after personally thanking you for sharing the link you provided... That was uncalled for

Rebuke noted. The blast was aimed at the argument, not the arguer, but the distinction was not made clear enough. Mea culpa.

I think it's finally happening. The UFO topics seem to be dead in the water, but ever since I've posted that video and a lot of what I've said, they seem to be coming back. Unfortunately, there still doesn't seem to be a lot of views on that video, but at least Yahoo is reporting them, and I think that's a start. It shows that my theory(well, okay, they told me this) of mass consciousness or a lot people required to believe to manifest them is correct. The biggest mistake the New Agers did, IMO, was simply not getting enough people to believe them. But it's still not too late, in fact, if you read that video, we still have time till another generation.

Anyway, I will make this appeal one more time, directly to the President, and hopefully, the 3rd time's a charm.

Mr Obama, do you want the UFOs to cure the Ebola virus, to bring prosperity to Black people, to make the world more beautiful, to know our true origin? If so, please show this video to all the world leaders, especially the Asian and African countries, and tell them to broadcast this video or message through TV or text message.

www.youtube.com...

Also, do you know of a kid from matthewbooks.com? He said you were going to be the savior. Unfortunately, a lot of what he's said haven't come true, yet. However, because some of what he's said mirror my thoughts, I can't brush them off completely. I have shown you the way, Mr President, whether you want to change the world, is up to you.

I'm quite interested to know why O'berg keeps appearing on these threads. Do you have low self esteem? Or just can't help feeding your ego? Why bother repeating your tired opinion?

Its odd, but when i look at that the first thing that I noticed was the inconsistency of the lights (I haven't watched the vid but im going by the thumbnail the vid is showing.

We have a lightning strike lighting up the inside of a cloud, the density of the cloud can be seen because of this the darker the cloud the closer it is to the camera as its a thicker portion blocking more of the light. However the UFO's lights on the left three are as bright as the 3 on the right even though the cloud density covering them is radically different. This would indicate its in front of the clouds its placed at but we see no silhouette on the more brighter clouds as the image is making out the UFO is within the clouds, or at least thats the intent if its a hoax.

If it was within the clouds then its lights would follow the same pattern of brightness and depth the lightning strike would be, ie the ones on the left would be dimmer while the ones in the middle and the right would be brighter. Even if the UFO was infront of the strike but still inside the clouds this would still be that way meaning something is very wrong with the UFO's lights in this picture (almost as if they are simply added latter)... even if the lights where as strong or stronger then the lighting strike (which i doubt) they would still either have to show a silhouette if in front of the cloud or a dimming of the lights on the left side compared to the right if within the cloud ...

So for me this is a nice photo of lightning used to make a hoaxed UFO photo. Sorry.

Someone else probably already mentioned this, but thought id give my opinion.

Edit:- ok ive looked at it again right after posting and i just noticed two of the right lights is actually quite brighter than the left (its morning only just got up and my eyes are a little blurry). So, hmmm... maybe im wrong (not that its a hoax since we dont know, but simply my deduction). Still think there is too much of an inconsistency in the brightness of the UFO's lights in relation to the thickness and density of the clouds surrounding them compared to the lightning strike (and you have to realize just how phenomenally bright a lightning strike actually is).

originally posted by: CallYourBluff
I'm quite interested to know why O'berg keeps appearing on these threads. Do you have low self esteem? Or just can't help feeding your ego? Why bother repeating your tired opinion?

Thanks for asking, I explain here:
www.jamesoberg.com...

Get back to me for follow-up questions after you've read it.

Here's a couple of interesting photos from the 80s. One from E. Germany one from CT. (Let's see if I can upload them correctly)

May 26, 1987 - Waterbury, CT, USA



Source: www.ufoevidence.org...

Report Summary:

"... Randy Etting, a resident of Newtown, was taking a walk outside his home. A commercial airline pilot with over 30 years experience, he always looked at the sky... he saw a number of orange and red lights... approaching from the west... He... got his binoculars and called his neighbors to come outside. The object by this time was a great deal closer and seemed to be over I-84, just east of Etting's home... the lights were shimmering like distortion from engine heat, but he could hear no sound...

"As the UFO passed over I-84, cars in both the east and west bound lanes began pulling over and stopping. The UFO displayed a semi-circular pattern of very bright multicolored lights. Five motorists reported that, as the object became visible, a number of cars lost power and had to pull off the highway. A State Police officer [who wishes to remain anonymous] sent to investigate photographed the object.

"... Dr. Bruce Maccabee... [analysed the photo]. His findings indicate the object was huge, perhaps over a thousand feet across, and that the lights showed a definite pattern. He also indicated the lights seemed to have been flashing very quickly in some sort of sequence, giving the impression that some were out of focus while others were sharp."[footnote 1]

Footnote: 1. Night Siege (2nd edition), Hynek, Imbrogno with Pratt, ISBN 1-56718-362-X

Source / Credit: Mutual UFO Network Of Connecticut Original source webpage / article
Photograph ID: 179 ID: 179

1982 or 1983 - East Germany



Source: www.ufoevidence.org...

UFO over East Germany

In early 1995, I was on a lecture tour through several cities of the eastern part of Germany, the former communist German Democratic Republic (GDR - German: DDR). After one of my lectures, in Gera/Thuringia, a former officer of the National People's Army (NVA), the armed forces of the GDR, entrusted me enclosed picture. It was taken in 1982 or 83 during a nightly exercise of a NVA unit. All he could tell me is that a comrade, present during that close encounter, shot it and gave it to him and that another copy is in the official files of the East German Military, together with his report.

It is definitely an interesting picture - and the only evidence we have for military UFO encounters in East Germany.
Source / Credit: Michael Hesemann Original source webpage / article
Photograph ID: 28 ID: 28

Thought they were close to what we are seeing, just enough for me to post them,

STM

a reply to: CallYourBluff

Would you rather it be an echo chamber in here?

This site never ceases to amaze me. Perhaps it's me this time, *shrugs*.

Literally 99% of the topics on the A&UFO forum, I literally laugh at. The one sighting of recent note in which I believe has some extremely interesting properties and the crackpot team here is positively sure it's a street lamp because, well...it sort of looks like the lights on one?

Yeesh, I'm all for debunking, but come on. That's just lazy.

I feel like this forum has become a pendulum swinging wildly without balance; ludicrous topics get tons of recognition and positivity while in the one topic with a very intriguing sighting, our resident experts are standing by with dismissive armchair analysis.

Lets see this debunking fervor the next time someone makes a topic about how the aliens are just waiting for us hoo-mans to stop hurting one another before landing and taking us back with them to meet their alien families.

a reply to: JimOberg

If it's your suggestion the display is deliberate, how would the displayers know which camera to line up for?

I wouldn't necessarily say it was a display for anyone but it happened to get caught on camera.

But how can you know it has stopped when you have no idea of its line-of-sight distance?

Stopped, relative to the distance traveled when it first came into view.

"Should" is the issue here. Spaceflight is unearthly, and I've tried to explain what I learned at Mission Control in my "99 FAQs", which I wish you would read to see why pacing is normal in orbit.

Then I would like you to explain to me what camera that was and what location on the shuttle. What direction was the shuttle facing and what was the source of the water. I would like you to explain how you can surmise what speed ice crystals "should" be traveling in order to claim them as such. You should probably also have supporting video evidence of what "normal" ice crystals look like seeing its is common place.

Good post. I like being able to look into these kinds of posts and regardless of what the debunkers here say, I like to make up my own mind. Debunkers are a lot like the controlled news media of today...they like to tell you what to think, how to react and what you should believe...mainly, only believe "them".

Interesting relevant to ufo sightings during lightning storms...same often holds true relevant to sightings near volcanoes...not necessarily active volcanoes either.

I have been a ufo researcher/investigator for 25 years and have had close up sightings of my own as well as clear photos I have taken and even posted one here. Of course, always get shot down by the same usual "suspects", debunkers. It never ceases to amaze me how they come out full force and usually the same certain people. Makes you wonder if you are really on to something or really observing and photographing something they would rather "shoot down", pardon the pun, discredit it so frantically...like they get in a panic or something and barely take a breath before they get on here and shred one to ribbons...no matter what kind of evidence is presented. They have the same intensity and show up like clock work much as the "chemtrail" debunker crowd. If there is nothing to any of it, why do they bother. I don't go posting at a site of no interest to me like one about auto repairs or something...so, why do they come here if they think the subject is so stupid or ufo witnesses are all crazy?

Some of my research and photos and evidence got examined by major ufo organizations and taken seriously. I had very close up sightings and trace evidence...doesn't matter to these folks that are closed minded. I interviewed witnesses on my own and had witnesses with me during sightings. Doesn't matter....when the same folks come out to "play" and taunt...you really gotta wonder why. It gets so, you can start to recognize their "style" and modus operandi no matter what site you post at relevant to ufos. Yep, the truth is out there...and a faction or 2 dosen't like that. They often like to attack the messenger no matter how good the evidence/data/witnesses/photos/videos. Just gotta keep on keepin on with it.

Really people at this point do we really need a billion pictures to prove that ufos are real? My answer is not really because despite how much video or photographic evidence you have the goverment does not care and people will believe only what they believe. The real question why are we trying to convince each other?