An Army in Ferguson tonight! Sporadic Twitter/Facebook censoring of #Ferguson hashtag

a reply to: ikonoklast

Captain Johnson also said, for reference, he would be viewing that video today and he WOULD have an educated opinion to share with them tonight, when he walks to the quiktrip to meet with protesters again to give them a situation report directly.

* As a side note, he impressed the hell out of me when he started today's news conference by walking right away from the Mic to attempt to speak to the crowd, and not "the nation". The people running the show didn't let that remain, as the news people on the cable channel also went into cut little tantrums...but his message was clear and refreshing. HE was there for the PEOPLE ..and hell with "the public" who doesn't live there to have to live with how it all ends up.

Notice how peaceful things got when REAL police officers showed up. Ones without tanks and sniper rifles and all the rest. Once who reached out the community and said it wasn't okay to treat civilians this way.

That's what real police officers do.

a reply to: Destinyone

I wouldn't call myself an expert but I did plainclothes Loss Prevention for a few years back in the day. I could probably shame most cops at spotting a person I was looking for. I did it 8 hours a day, in crowds, for years.

I watched cameras (after something happened) and got pretty good at spotting who I wanted to and recognizing who I was looking for from video when I was on the floor. We didn't really use cameras unless something happened when we weren't there or after the fact to give to various LE (I am still surprised there are armed postal investigators/inspectors) or when we shared video with other stores/businesses.

I would say it's the same guy. Look at the shoes, look at the shorts, look at the height, look at his weight, look at his build. I obviously can't be 100%, but I think it would be odd if someone with the exact same build, wearing the exact same thing (down to the shoes) was in the same area almost at the same time. Only thing that really gave me pause was the shorts, they look darker in the video stills, but that video looks to be awful and VERY dark. For what it's worth I thought they were khaki shorts until someone questioned it, I still think they are.

a reply to: TKDRL

I totally agree no one should be shot in the back if that happened.

I'm just saying a jury of peers will not dismiss the facts that these two had just been in an altercation and knowingly continued on their way with a "we do what we want attitude."

Life don't work that way. If I want Swisher Sweets I"m going to buy them. I'm not going to bully my way into getting them . People need to not have the initial attitude that they are above the law.

My son is in Federal Prison on a 9 year sentence for a string of tri-state pharmacy robberies. I've had my house surrounded by SWAT more than once. Right is right and wrong is wrong. People have to be held accountable. Something had just been stolen and they were walking down the street like they owned it, but they didn't own it.

My sons incident could have ended a different way when he was confronted but he used common sense and didn't get lippy.

Why is it okay for anyone to think these young adults have a right to their attitude is beyond me.

a reply to: Domo1

I would say it's the same guy. Look at the shoes, look at the shorts, look at the height, look at his weight, look at his build.

At first I was pretty sure it was Michael Brown.

But it seems clear that the person in the video is wearing sandals...and it's hard to tell, but it looks like the picture of Brown lying dead in the street looks like he has on shoes.

Opinion?

a reply to: Myrtales Instinct
Yeah, I know what you mean. While I condemn police brutality, and unrighteous kills, I also condemn the riot and looting that took place as well. Problem is, shooting someone dead for petty theft is way overkill. Especially if you shoot them while they are running away. If they get away, so what? It happens from time to time, shooting is meant to stop immediate threats, not stop people from getting away. Unless the person was armed and shooting people or something extreme of course.

originally posted by: MyMindIsMyOwn
Link to Released Police Documents

This incident is in the police report at "08/09/2014 1151", and footage listed as "08/09/2014 between 11:52:58hrs and 11:54:00hrs".

Michael Brown, Jr. was walking down the street with Dorian Johnson later when he was killed, approximately 2pm.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: ikonoklast
* As a side note, he impressed the hell out of me when he started today's news conference by walking right away from the Mic to attempt to speak to the crowd, and not "the nation". The people running the show didn't let that remain, as the news people on the cable channel also went into cut little tantrums...but his message was clear and refreshing. HE was there for the PEOPLE ..and hell with "the public" who doesn't live there to have to live with how it all ends up.

Yeah, that really impressed me too. And it impressed me that he did that last night, and marched with the protesters. Especially last night, it could have easily been dangerous for him. He knew it (and alluded to that this morning) but he did it anyway. If there are any heroes in this whole mess, he's definitely a big one.

I'd even go further. Wednesday night, many thought they had the answer of whether police would stand with or against the American people if things hit the fan. Maybe I thought so too, at least part of me. Capt. Johnson gives me hope. And the voice in the crowd last night that said, "They're giving us respect, let's give them respect too," that also gives me hope.

a reply to: TKDRL

I agree with everything you said.

I'm just of the opinion that CNN and everyone else could piecemeal what information is available like I've attempted to do and have a rational discussion instead of overlooking simple available facts. To avoid things like this in the future it appears the State, Counties and local jurisdictions, as well as parents need to take and GIVE more instruction on common sense issues, such as potential repercussions of breaking the law and how good manners and etiquette need to be instilled in people so that situations like this either don't happen or are diffused.

From the video that is now being released - apparently Dorian Johnson wasn't very truthful in his public admission to what he says transpired that day. Now I need to hear what the cop has to say and what other people in ear shot of the initial confrontation have to say.

I've followed true crime for 20 years and I can already tell how this is going to unfold and people as usual are going to be pissed.

a reply to: ikonoklast

Yeah, last night stunned me. I mentioned seeing the same thing in Occupy and it shocked me there too. Somewhere in my collection I have a picture of one of the St Louis PD commanders down in our camp, alone and surrounded by us....just chatting and answering questions. She was probably scared too..but never showed it.

That does say a lot to me. He seems to mean what he says and says what he means, with a BIG well of self confidence he doesn't seem to feel the need to wave around like some banner for proof. The perfect guy to quell a riot, IMO.

originally posted by: mrsdudara
a reply to: ikonoklast

Thanks for that. The news here kept referring to it as East St. Louis.

You're welcome.

These days I seem to find the most accurate news, or a starting point to go find the most accurate news, on ATS. So much of 'mainstream news' today is poorly researched and reported or deliberately edited and slanted to be more propaganda than news. It's hard to say in this case. Maybe they didn't look at a map, or maybe someone wanted people to write if off based on preconceptions of East St. Louis.

Ferguson Police Chief about to do a presser in minutes, so said CNN TV.

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Des

a reply to: Myrtales Instinct

Even if what you say is true or even if that crappy surveillance video is of Brown (which I have issues with--shoes, red hat, guy in surveillance camera is larger among a few things), it still does NOT matter.

1. The 18 year old was unarmed. Even if he had attempted to grab the gun, all that says is that he was, in fact, unarmed.

2. The 18 year unarmed kid was running away from the shooting officer. At that point, the shooting officer was in zero danger from him.

3. The 18 year unarmed kid and witnesses stated that he stopped, after being fired upon, and put his hands up. At that point, the shooting officer was both in control of the situation and still in zero danger.

4. The officer, instead of making any form of arrest, unloaded 6 shots in the 18 year old unarmed kid.

It doesn't matter if he had robbed a store using muscle.

He was unarmed and had his hands up.

It doesn't matter if he had even punched the officer in the face just a minute prior.

He was unarmed and had his hands up.

It doesn't matter if he had stolen 20 packs of swisher sweets. Simple robbery, in this country, is not punishable by death.

Police officers are to arrest. They are not judge, jury, and executioner. The use of deadly force is not acceptable unless it is absolutely warranted. Shooting an unarmed kid several steps away from you is not an immediate threat nor does it warrant the use of deadly force.

And that's IF the man on the video is the same and I have doubts on that count.

a reply to: WhiteAlice

I wish I could star this 100 times. Wish more could think like this.
Leave all the isms aside, we are talking about a kids life here. He did not deserve to have it ended by some guy with a gun.

originally posted by: Destinyone
Ferguson Police Chief about to do a presser in minutes, so said CNN TV.

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Des

Watching presser and the cops in the background look like they're on roids. They don't look to happy either. The chief is a nervous wreck also. He is shaking like a leaf in a wind storm. One more thing, I would like to thank everyone for the links and the stream info. YOU PEOPLE ROCK!!

a reply to: Tarzan the apeman.

Holy Crap Roidman...the Chief just said the cop who shot Michael, didn't know about the robbery at all. When asked why cop stopped Michael, he said because he was walking in the road.

That's not what the police report that was released in the first presser says.

Spin spin spin...why is he changing the story now?

Des

Im still waiting for the cop cam to be release

a reply to: Destinyone

That police chief is so incompetent and screwing things up so much...I don't think he has a job for very long.

Now I can see people asking...why release the video now?

If it was because the officer was responding to the robbery by stopping Brown..then that makes sense. But now that he said he didn't know he was a suspect...well...why release it now?

Now it seems like the police chief is indeed just trying to smear Brown's image.

a reply to: Destinyone

Do you have the link of the video?

originally posted by: sam_inc
Im still waiting for the cop cam to be release

There is no cop cam.

But who knows...the way things have gone today with all they screwed up information being released...maybe next week there will magically be a dash cam now.