NBC news crew threatened with arrest for filming a FEMA camp??

a reply to: TarzanBeta

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originally posted by: sheepslayer247
It is under tight security because they are shooting a film there.

From your source:

With prisoners vacated, the only people on the grounds were a movie crew and corrections staff. Why the super secrecy?

What ever happened to politely informing the news channel people that there is a film being shot and that nobody else can get in today for safety reasons, sorry?
Answer: The filming isn't the problem, it's not mentioned by the officer, he clearly doesn't care about visitors but is mightily worried about official news coverage. They also behave completely unprofessional by harassing [driving slow, bocking road] the news film crew. Therefore your reasoning is not making sense. There is clearly a different reason for the officers behaviour.

a reply to: boncho

That's silly, a simple google search gives you a dozen pictures of the prison from ariel view. Yes, active prisons are tight on security and won't allow people to film up at the gates or will question people showing suspicious behaviour around the facility, but this is totally different.

It's illegal to film or photograph on or near prison facilities, each state and the federal government have laws pertaining to such, obviously exceptions are made where permission was granted, and if you are outside on public grounds they can't stop it. However, get caught too close, and you'll be detained. Usually most prisons have a ring road around it that is patrolled by COs in vehicles. It may appear to be public, but it is not.

From the NYS statement:

"We regret that this situation escalated, however the WNYT news crew blatantly disregarded a state officer who informed them they were trespassing. Department regulations state that photographs taken while on Prison property require prior permission. This policy is for the safety of all staff, visitors and prisoners."

Secondly, from a comment made by Bill McCue:

Understand this people. Mt. McGregor CF is still open until the facility is finally shut down by the state. Therefore the rules governing the safe operation of a Correctional facility still apply. Which means the Officers must continue to enforce the Facility Operations Manual and the Departments Directives. Now some of you are wondering why are there still Corrections Officers still at this mothballed facility. Here is the answer. These men and women are waiting for there transfer orders. They still have to go to work. They still have a job to do while the facility is being put to sleep. The news crew should have inquired with Building 2 before taking it upon themselves to film in front of the facility. There is absolutely nothing to hide. Nothing illegal happened here. I hope people realize this.

I'm not defending any actions taken by the prison staff, only stating the facts around the case. The WNT crew may have been trespassing. Even though it appears they were on a public road, we don't know if that was an access road for the prison. The prison is at the top of the mountain and the road services it. Jumping to conclusions like "Fema Camps" doesn't help.

originally posted by: Hecate666

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
It is under tight security because they are shooting a film there.

From your source:

With prisoners vacated, the only people on the grounds were a movie crew and corrections staff. Why the super secrecy?

What ever happened to politely informing the news channel people that there is a film being shot and that nobody else can get in today for safety reasons, sorry?
Answer: The filming isn't the problem, it's not mentioned by the officer, he clearly doesn't care about visitors but is mightily worried about official news coverage. They also behave completely unprofessional by harassing [driving slow, bocking road] the news film crew. Therefore your reasoning is not making sense. There is clearly a different reason for the officers behaviour.

Fair enough. It seems more likely to me that this man was simply being a jerk and was not trying to get rid of these reporters because of something secretive or nefarious going on inside the prison.

originally posted by: EartOccupant
Just wondering,

Is it normal for guards to drive a Lexus?

Where I live (The Netherlands) a Lexus is a luxury car, in the high price range,

I find it curious that two guards show up in those expensive cars.

Or is that normal in America?

Sounds like they are growing dope in the prison. Think of the advantages, free electricity, lighting, heating. High walls and security. No one is allowed to enter and no photographs.

I bet a thermal imagine camera or octocopter drone would reveal all.

People are not getting this right, Grant cottage is all part of the same land, we even see where another car tried to block the TV crew from going to the cottage, either that or my eyesight's totally up the left, so it is clear that they wanted to move the TV crew on, just in case they did spot something.
Maybe like all the new windows and renovations that are ongoing as of now, $2.5m's worth.
Of course the place is up for sale alright, there is a real estate firm looking after that, and whoever gets it has an up-to-date building, nice one.
Of course State Sen. Kathleen Marchione was pretty p....d about that, even more so when she was told that the contract for refurbishment was only signed in 2012, just a year before the corrections people decided to close Mt McGregor. So there is a bit of a story there, scandal even. However the TV crew were there to do a piece on Grant's Cottage, and it was about telling the public that Grant's Cottage would be staying open, even though the prison was closing. So pictorially, they would have needed at least a background shot of the prison to tell the tale. I find that perfectly sensible and non-intrusive, and especially when Grant's Cottage is on the same land. The trespass bit is a farce, and a cop-out. Still, there are 800 beds for someone now.

Let's all have a camera meet and go up and line the fences and see what happens....

originally posted by: BlackboxInquiry
Let's all have a camera meet and go up and line the fences and see what happens....

Exactly, and you'd only be doing what hundreds have done before you!

a reply to: elementalgrove

Holy cow. F&S& .....Anyone know if this prison is being retooled to be a FEMA Camp?

The Saturday after this outrageous abuse occurred a private security firm took over patrol of the vacant building. Officials claim this is just part of the process and not related to the incident, according to the Saratogian.

a reply to: elementalgrove

Lol Thanks for your reply. As to answer your question why there are so many employees at a closed-down prison... I still don't know this to be absolute fact, but instead information introduced to us for whatever reason (perhaps to feed into FEMA camp paranoia, my best guess). The United States still has the most prisoners in the world, perhaps they are going to move other prisoners there? Your guess is just as good as mine, but one thing I do know is the whole FEMA camp thing just doesn't make ENOUGH sense for me to invest too much thought into it. All they have to do is make you think they are a big bad boogeyman with big bad plans for you if you're naughty and suddenly everybody is paranoid and scared... and it isn't even THEM, apparently, having to spread this information but individuals do this FOR the government unwittingly (helping their PR by making them seem like they always have a trick up their sleeve), so NBC, if anything here is only helping perpetrate further the myths and mysteries surrounding the entire topic of FEMA camps... maybe it was starting to not be as hot of a topic online as they would like it to be, so thought they would stir up the crap-pot and get people discussing it again.

So, not to digress onto FEMA camps as a topic, but staying on the main topic of NBC news and them covering this story: complete bull and conjured up so the media can be looked at as something to be trusted, something that is your "friend," journalists who think how you think, your allies.... All of this is a complete joke knowing all news outlets are completely controlled shill-bots.

Thank you so much for your reply. Yes, stay away from the headlines, as hard as that is to do sometimes. Besides MSM headlines have completely ripped to shreds this forum. If you're given topics to take up your head-space, that's less space you're devoting to individual thought and allowing a corporation to tell you what's important and what's not, what's real and what isn't, and this, my dear ATS friend, is how reality is defined for all of us. It's what keeps things going. Like I said, what will they do if suddenly people weren't watching the news, weren't going to the news websites, weren't checking the headlines for even a brief moment, and just in general gave it NO CREDENCE whatsoever? Suddenly people's thoughts wouldn't be controlled... and I don't know if people themselves would even be comfortable with this. Afterall, suddenly, they would have to make decisions of their own after always being told what to think, who to side with, what's an important issue, etc etc. I've made my point plenty here, I'm just going to end up repeating myself...

a reply to: elementalgrove

That is indeed very weird. The problem is also that more and more officers, including police officers, etc, seem to not care about people's rights in the U.S.

Did anyone catch the video of a police officer, not just a correctional officer claiming that because president Obama doesn't care about following the U.S. Constitution that they, police officers, shouldn't care about violating people's rights?...



Unfortunately this is happening more and more, officials who are supposed to protect us, and our rights, and who made an oath to protect the U.S. Constitution alongside people's rights are claiming "they don't have to"...

The part that is more important in that video is when the cop says "Obama decimated the constitution, so we don't have to follow it"...

The news crew, and anyone else, should have been able to record the area. It is not like that correctional facility is in operation, unless it actually is in operation which would contradict the claims that it is closed, or being closed.

a reply to: smurfy


Thank you for pointing me in this direction! Sen Marchione brings up some great points!

poststar.com... 63f4.html

State Sen. Kathleen Marchione, R-Halfmoon, said the construction work, which she observed during a recent tour of the prison, demonstrates that the state Department of Corrections plan to close Mount McGregor and three other correctional facilities was not well thought out. “We have a governor who is telling us he is saving us money,” she said in a telephone interview. “And at the same time we are paying for reconstruction to the tune of millions of dollars to reconstruct a prison that’s slated to close. That makes absolutely no financial sense to me at all.”

So with a booming prison industry why would they be closing down Mcgregor and 3 other correctional facilities?

Why would they pay millions for reconstruction on a prison that is getting shut down?

Marchione said she toured the prison later Wednesday, and saw buildings under renovation, as well as several dormitories that have recently been renovated.

a reply to: elementalgrove

Why would they pay millions for reconstruction on a prison that is getting shut down?

Read a little further. This might have something to do with it

Thomas Mailey, a spokesman for the Department of Corrections, said the construction contract was awarded in June 2012, more than a year before the department announced the prison closure plan in July 2013.

It was determined that canceling the contract would have cost as much as continuing it, because custom windows had been made, building materials already purchased, and insurance and bonding arranged, Mailey said.

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: smurfy


Thank you for pointing me in this direction! Sen Marchione brings up some great points!

poststar.com... 63f4.html

State Sen. Kathleen Marchione, R-Halfmoon, said the construction work, which she observed during a recent tour of the prison, demonstrates that the state Department of Corrections plan to close Mount McGregor and three other correctional facilities was not well thought out. “We have a governor who is telling us he is saving us money,” she said in a telephone interview. “And at the same time we are paying for reconstruction to the tune of millions of dollars to reconstruct a prison that’s slated to close. That makes absolutely no financial sense to me at all.”

So with a booming prison industry why would they be closing down Mcgregor and 3 other correctional facilities?

Why would they pay millions for reconstruction on a prison that is getting shut down?

Marchione said she toured the prison later Wednesday, and saw buildings under renovation, as well as several dormitories that have recently been renovated.

A couple of things, First off DenyObfuscation points out below your post something I had already mentioned, about the contract for renovation being done and dusted in 2012, and so to enlarge on that, some of the improvements would be bespoke..always serious money. That doesn't take anything away from the fact that a year later they decided to close the facility citing changes in sentencing policies allied to community work, but the thing is, Mt McGregor was already halfway house in that respect, and if anything a driving force toward the community.
So here's the other thing, this is a CBS video, circa 2013 not much viewed on youtube about the news of the place closing, if you go to around 2.00 in the video, the Union leader, (in a red shirt) is talking, so I'm presuming he is talking about his whole area, and not just Mt McGregor when he states they have 10,000 and more inmates in a [double bunk] situation. Okay, for sure he is going to make the case, (and the reporter allows for that) but when he mentions the double bunk thing that did catch my attention, since I had already seen in current blogs elsewhere totally unrelated to the video that the double bunks are still in situ in Mt McGregor. There may be a simple explanation, but I see no reason why the top bunks should not be in storage in an already closed block there at that time.

Proof postive they are hiding stuff about these jails or FEMA camps.

a reply to: Hecate666

Maybe they were filming something not meant for us to see yet, nothing you would see in the movies but perhaps something faked for media consumption? This is as far to the ATS conspiracy side that I have gone....but why did he get his panties in such a bunch..

a reply to: soficrow

Yes, let's build a highly secretive FEMA camp right next to a popular tourist spot!

The mind wobbles!

a reply to: Jobeycool

But they let a film crew in to shoot for a movie?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: soficrow

Yes, let's build a highly secretive FEMA camp right next to a popular tourist spot!

The mind wobbles!

Does FEMA do casinos?

From Feb 2014,

Health care, tourism, recreation or a casino are all feasible reuses for the Mount McGregor Correctional Facility property, after the prison closes in July, according to a recent Empire State Development Corp. report.

Source

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Not interested in the thread (FEMA camps == lol), but I just had to do a shout out at your .sig, hilarious. I've always been annoyed at that guy, too.