Ebola: Facts, Opinions, and Speculations.

Fact: Mortality rate for this outbreak is around 55%

86%

Just a note, if you do the math on reported cases/deaths, its 55%-- likely capable of more, but that is where the numbers are now.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

REPORTED CASES/DEATHS BELIEVED TO BE ONLY 25-50% OF REALITY.

Doctor speaking just stated the case fatality rate is: 80-90%.

not 60%. not 50%. Not math based on SKEWED CORRELATIONS.

People are getting infected at a higher rate than at which they are dying.
THIS PROVIDES FALSE, UNDERWHELMING NUMBERS.

If you want fact, watch this live stream. Goddamn. Sawyer apparently laughed at CDC doctors and tried to get into an isolation unit without even gloves. Thank you Sawyer. God bless you Sawyer. 5 more cases confirmed in Nigeria.

time.com...

Thank you Sawyer.

a reply to: JG1993

Excellent post! Those who think there is one, and only one, Sawyer type person out there exposed to, or infected with ebola, are wearing giant denial blinders.

Des

a reply to: JG1993

Can someone recap this Livestream? I'm at work and unable to view - maybe some main points covered? May be helpful to the thread. Or, is there somewhere we can view later? Sorry if this was presented and I missed the link. Seems there were some great points covered regarding actual numbers of infected people.

I guess I will chime in on the thread's Facts, Opinions, and Speculations theme as follows:

Opinion: With medical journals stating Ebola patients on average spread Ebola to 2.7 other people; with medical journals, WHO and the CDC stating an incubation period up to 3 weeks before people are contagious or symptomatic; with relatively unrestricted air travel to/from affected areas; and with official data from WHO and medical journals on the current outbreak(s), there are sufficient reasons to be concerned about the Ebola outbreak(s).

Opinion: Reasonable concerns may motivate people to take appropriate timely actions to avert worst case scenarios. Cowering in fear might slow the spread by limiting public contact, but it might be counterproductive if people who could have done more do not take appropriate timely actions. Denial or ignorance may be least likely to avert worst case scenarios if people see no need to act.

Opinion: Since we don't have a time machine to go back a few months (as far as I know...), the best way to define timely is now.

a reply to: JG1993

Good post. Can someone be on the lookout for a recorded version?

a reply to: JG1993 I too am at work and cannot listen to this. Are you absolutely certain the doctor was speaking of this particular outbreak? This strain of virus has been known to kill 90% of those infected, but that has previously been largely due to the lack of treatment being that the previous outbreaks happened in more rural areas. I just want to make sure we are all hearing apples to apples information.

a reply to: loam

www.c-span.org.../hearing-ebola-outbreak-africa&live

a reply to: zazzafrazz

You are amazing.

a reply to: loam

Let's not forget the drivers!

Left Spain, right USA



Looks like the dude on the right is trying to find his favorite radio station

a reply to: Hellas

Didn't you also have a closeup of the photographer?

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: Hellas

Didn't you also have a closeup of the photographer?

You mean those guys?

a reply to: Hellas

No, but thanks. There's a shot somewhere where the camera guy you show walks right up behind the ambulance when Brantly get's out and kneels to take his shot.

Copied from the Atlanta thread I posted this

It's not profitable to make drugs for the poor.
So we need it to invade North America for a drug to be worthwhile manufacturing??

The Ebola Scare is Real

Unfortunately, Western drug firms claim that research on Ebola is not economic because it occurs in poor countries which cannot afford expensive medications. Nevertheless, the US government and three US companies, and the Canadian public health agency have been striving to develop an anti-Ebola drug. The experimental drug given to the two US citizens who contracted the disease has not yet been declared safe for human use. The drug, produced at a small firm in California from tobacco plants, appears to be effective. So far, very little of the drug has been produced.

Anyone care to speculate what could happen next with the greedy pharma companies/ mad scientists?
EMPHASIS ON SPECULATION
I'll start: release it into the public, so they can make money off the drugs.

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: Hellas

No, but thanks. There's a shot somewhere where the camera guy you show walks right up behind the ambulance when Brantly get's out and kneels to take his shot.

The way I see it is this... The stomach flu isn't airborne either but look how fast it spreads in communities in many cities. I have a really bad feeling about this one. Let's just hope they are able to contain it AND start banning flights to the parts of Africa that are really being hit.

Okay...I'm back to the plane that transported the patients from Liberia to Atlanta. I spoke to a pilot friend who said (I hope I get this right) it is likely they refueled somewhere before Maine on the return trip.

originally posted by: [post=18244828]~Lucidity with a few additions...
PhoenixAir Plane
Multi Patient VIP

This Amazing Jet Will Transport Ebola Victims From Africa To The U.S.

The jet initially took off on its mission Thursday at 2:03pm EST, but turned back after only 2 hours and 14 minutes of what should have been a six and a half hour flight to the Azores for a refueling stop. Then, at 5:08PM EST, Phoenix Air flight 333, under the callsign "Gray Bird" made its way to the Azores once again.

It's a GIII, with a range of 5,070 miles (4,410 nautical miles) with maximum fuel and reserves, but wen flying at its top cruise speed, it can fly 3,330 miles (2,900 nautical miles) nonstop.

It is Distance is 8107 kilometers or 5038 miles or 4378 nautical miles from Liberia to Atlanta.

So I guess it makes sense it had to stop to refuel in Maine?

However, the distance from Libera to Maine? That's 7079 kilometers or 4399 miles or 3822 nautical miles.

Does it still make sense? I dunno. Maybe Zaphod's already been here?

Aside from all this, doesn't it look to you as if it can fit two patients? So why did they bring them one at a time?





Other Oddities

The tail number N173PA is registered to N173PA LLC, WILMINGTON, DE (Corporation), not Phoenix Air. The plane is its own LLC?


The plane made a round-trip flight on Thursday , July 31 to Delaware. It show it at the same time starting to make a trip to the Azores, specifically to Lajes Air Base, but it then diverted, if I'm reading this right.


The last records I can find are from that date...I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.

The World's 18 Strangest Military Bases

See page 14...right in there with Detrick.

Lajes honors Biomedical Sciences Corps

That's all...for now.

A.B.C.....I....

ETA....


O ther places plane has been...

originally posted by: Hellas
a reply to: loam

Let's not forget the drivers!

Left Spain, right USA

Looks like the dude on the right is trying to find his favorite radio station

If this wasn't so horribly good at showcasing the EXTREME difference in care taken handling each of these cases it would be laughable. Laugh, then cry. This makes me STRONGLY speculate Brantley/Whitebol are not at Emory.

Atlanta. First arriving patient's alleged ride.

11alive just had a segment on the Atlanta plane. It's back in Cartersville and has been decontaminated. Lots of people were walking around in the isolation pod surprisingly.

I'm not sure if this was posted on this forum, but this plane used to be a CIA rendition transport plane. Phoenix Air did a lot of flights for them, they operated their own plus planes associated with the Delaware company.