Putin BANS agricultural imports from sanctioning countries for 1 year

originally posted by: the owlbear
a reply to: eisegesis


What about the farm equipment made in Germany and the EU?

And the other agricultural products...I.e. food, grain, fertilizer, etc?

Russians might have to wait in line for beets and potatoes again, but Putin wins this hand.

Exactly the same here in the UK. We had the boss of JCB on TV yesterday, locally in Staffordshire our biggest employer and one that makes money for the country by exporting, stating that the sanctions on Russia will mean a loss of trade and he was threatened with making three hundred staff redundant. For freakin what? It's Russia's back yard......................

employer

Thats smart move in many fronts not only politics, they show they are prepared to move even further away from those countries in question and not afraid how they will respond to this move either, wonder how they will response to this.
I also doubt that Russians will starve to death over this but if that would really happen then i would agreed this plan is big failure but again i highly doubt thats the case.

a reply to: romilo
the western world is for most depending on money and cash-flow....blind as we are !
we can only think in an financial vieuw
the russians inspite are thru survivors ( history has proven)

any disturbance of it leads to an crisis at once....
Russia knows that and it is there most fearfull weapon against the west....the non western orientated rest of the world will benefit off it...

ore we must ban those country's also

originally posted by: the owlbear
a reply to: eisegesis


It would benefit the US consumer as prices will have to fall for food since Russian demand is removed and more sits within domestic boundaries. Or most likely, it would sit and rot rather than cut profits...

And that's just US imports...what about EU countries?

Russians are a hearty lot and have starved for less.

I would choose the latter. The only food that has reduced in price is the food not worth eating.

I don't agree for how this is a win for Russia though. At least with the US.

U.S. sales to Russia have only risen since sanctions imposed

U.S. Census Bureau foreign trade data show that exports rose 17 percent from March through May _ the most recent months for which the data is available _ compared with the previous three months, before sanctions were imposed. The value of exports has risen in each consecutive month this year, an unusual trend in a trade relationship that historically fluctuates on a monthly basis.

Worst case scenario, we go back to the old numbers. Nothing is by accident. Both companies in Russia and the US have prepared. It is a political theater while people get slaughtered.

Robert Kahn, a senior fellow in international economics at the Council on Foreign Relations, said the rise in exports was evidence that Russian companies were stockpiling goods with the expectation that future sanctions would prevent U.S. companies from selling to their country.

What Putin bans from Russian import will just cause everything he doesn't ban to go up in price.

Other trade specialists said the figures didn’t necessarily show a consistent trend. With the Russian market for U.S. products relatively small _ just $5.1 billion total in the first five months of the year _ a slight increase in sales of a few big-ticket items, such as cars and airplanes, can drive trade-figure percentage increases higher.

$5.1 Billion for total exports after five months, guestimate 11 billion for the year. 11 percent of that last year went to agriculture at 1.2 billion.

Boeing delivered eight jets to Russian airlines this year through June. The total price of civilian aircraft and parts sent to Russia this year through May was $1.39 billion. The types of planes purchased by Russian airlines, from the 737 and 777 families, cost $76 million to $320 million each last year, according to Boeing.

Exports of cars and trucks, which totaled more than $1.2 billion last year, were up 95 percent in March, April and May compared with the previous three months. While in recent years automotive sales have risen in the spring, the increase is usually smaller. This year’s growth during the March through May period was 90 percent higher than last year’s.

General machinery accounted for another $1 billion in exports in the first five months of the year, with sales fluctuating on a monthly basis. Sales of mining and oil and gas field machinery made up the largest portion, amounting to $227 million.

Combined, that's already $3.59 billion. Raise the price of any of these non-agricultural items and at least Obama sleeps good. Problem averted, as much as I personally think its all played out.

Hm, higher profits for asian countries... I Guess Russia will get less GMO from the US, and less healhty Food from EU and more clonned meat from Asia(I Guess it's the same thing as GMO?). Interesting, who will win, and who will suffer.

for europe it seems different...

money.cnn.com...

a reply to: Hellas

Putin has said that it is their ability to make sacrifices that makes the Russian people great. They won't mind a 40% decrease in their food supply, so long as they can grow enough potatoes to make all the vodka they need.

40% of Russian food comes from privately owned 'dachas'.

The Russian agricultural industry can cover the other 60%...from a nutritional stand.

They will lose access to many luxury and processed products.

I'm kind of on the fence as to whether that is good or bad.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Hellas

Putin has said that it is their ability to make sacrifices that makes the Russian people great. They won't mind a 40% decrease in their food supply, so long as they can grow enough potatoes to make all the vodka they need.

We agree on your first sentence. Putin does nothing without thinking about the next step and won't harm his own people. Starving to death and other suggestions alike are just our thinking.

It all boils down to him being accused of things he never did and punishing the ones in charge of this defamation. We'll see who loses and who wins..

Anti EU/US sentiment (as if not high enough already in EU) will get even higher. Not many people in the EU don`t know who stirred things up the Ukraine.

Russia will gets its goods from elsewhere (other non Western countries), but EU still needs Russian gas, and will buy it anyways.

Good job again from our mindless European politicians by following US.

a reply to: maghun

I hope you're joking... You want to "obey" Putin? How did that go the last time Hungary and everyone else had to obey the Russians? 1956 much?

- look, I know Russia today is not the Soviet Union of the past. But don't think they've change all that much. And don't ever forget that Putin is an ex KGB colonel. So however nice it may be that the west has some opposition, which they surely need, I wouldn't turn my hopes to Putin's Russia that much.

Vigyazz mit kivansz...

a reply to: Hellas

In all boils down to him being accused of things he never did and punishing the ones in charge of this defamation. We'll see who loses and who wins..

Putin invaded Crimea, which was then part of the Ukraine. That was an act of war. This is not defamation, it is simply truth. If he continues to attack Ukraine, it will not be punishment, it will be imperialist aggression. But to bring this back on topic, it will be good for the Russian people to go hungry; it will help them understand the price of Putin's aggression.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Hellas

In all boils down to him being accused of things he never did and punishing the ones in charge of this defamation. We'll see who loses and who wins..

Putin invaded Crimea, which was then part of the Ukraine. That was an act of war. This is not defamation, it is simply truth. If he continues to attack Ukraine, it will not be punishment, it will be imperialist aggression. But to bring this back on topic, it will be good for the Russian people to go hungry; it will help them understand the price of Putin's aggression.

That's BS and you know it! They voted for it and that is it.

a reply to: Hellas

That's BS and you know it! They voted for it and that is it.

They voted for it after they had been occupied, and you know it. Why are you trying to derail your own thread? Does it really make sense to decrease your sources of food as you head into a protracted war with your neighbors?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Hellas

That's BS and you know it! They voted for it and that is it.

They voted for it after they had been occupied, and you know it. Why are you trying to derail your own thread? Does it really make sense to decrease your sources of food as you head into a protracted war with your neighbors?

Stop hitting the booze dude, I just answered you.

Now BACK ON TOPIC!

a reply to: SaturnFX

Its symbolic and nothing more than a vanity exercise.

I would wager this action is in response to trying to appease Putin's inner circle. That inner circle of Putin's is still showing the various groups pulling and pushing Putin.

Based on everything to date I think Putin, and ive stated this before, has backed himself into a corner. From those who want Putin to send Russian troops into Ukraine, to those wanting Putin to supply weapons and training, to the business groups who are taking a massive hit wanting Putin to back off Ukraine etc etc etc.


Mr. Putin -
Destroying the Russian Federation to win a war is no victory and ending a battle to save the Russian Federation is no defeat.

Putin ordered his government to come up with a list of goods to be banned for imports into Russia and to last one year, the Kremlin said. The order says the limits are being imposed "with the goal of guaranteeing the security of the Russian Federation" and calls for undertaking measures to guard against quick price hikes. The decision on U.S. and EU food import bans would be "quite substantial", the veterinary service said.

CNBC

a reply to: Hellas

Stop hitting the booze dude, I just answered you.

Now BACK ON TOPIC!

Maybe I'm just thick, but why would Putin decrease his people's access to food heading into a war? I don't see you explain it, you just pretend its not an issue.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Hellas

Stop hitting the booze dude, I just answered you.

Now BACK ON TOPIC!

Maybe I'm just thick, but why would Putin decrease his people's access to food heading into a war? I don't see you explain it, you just pretend its not an issue.

He has plenty other sources plus his own.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Hellas

Stop hitting the booze dude, I just answered you.

Now BACK ON TOPIC!

Maybe I'm just thick, but why would Putin decrease his people's access to food heading into a war? I don't see you explain it, you just pretend its not an issue.

It goes along with Putin decreasing his people's access to media. Putin is playing all sides of the street with his inner circle. This is going to be one hell of a train wreck for Putin if it continues.