Young american Jew stands up for Palestine and then...

Then gets roughed up by police and arrested.

All this conflict is making me start to form opinions. Bad opinions. I'm not antisemitic, I'm not racist but admittedly, I'm developing deep mistrust and animosity towards Israel. Isn't there one ATS Jewish member who disagrees with killing Arab kids, mothers, destruction of homes? Who disagrees with the war horror that has been going on in Gaza and has the huspah to stand up for human rights where ever you are? One? I'm losing faith in humanity and I'm losing faith in you. Help me turn my opinions around. Help me see through the blind hate and still believe in the Jewish cause. Help me not become antisemitic. Say something encouraging to me and show me that not all Jews are racist xenophobes who think they have exclusive rights. It's up to you and your god is watching.

a reply to: FlySolo

Dont lose Faith,

I have Faith that there will be Posters coming soon , that will say he attacked the Police.

Poor guy all he was doing was peacefully expressing his opinion, i believe that should be a basic human right, id hate to see how they treated him after they took him away, they were bad enough when they knew cameras were around! I have the same view as you and over the years have formed bad opinions on Israel but i just can't look at the country any other way at this point.

originally posted by: Shana91aus
Poor guy all he was doing was peacefully expressing his opinion, i believe that should be a basic human right, id hate to see how they treated him after they took him away, they were bad enough when they knew cameras were around! I have the same view as you and over the years have formed bad opinions on Israel but i just can't look at the country any other way at this point.

If you go to YouTube there is a video of an interview after the incident with him, basically just him telling what happened in custody. I can link it myself at the moment, on my phone

eta : look for a video of him in red t-shirt in related videos

its a disturbing trend

i have often wondered why here in Australia Jewish schools have armed guards !..its almost as if they are scared of something.. like some kind of retribution attack...

The kid has heart. Now if he'd only been given smarts to go with it. Everyone is aware that Military service is compulsory for Israelis right? American peace activists wouldn't qualify but he was surrounded by what amounts to the daily life of a veteran's day parade which forms Israeli society.

To consider it another way here. How well would a Palestinian American be treated if they went to Gaza City with a bright blue on white Star of David flag around their neck, to make a large public scene of protesting the rockets being fired for the counter-battery response they bring almost automatically in timing sometimes?

I'm thinking the Gaza City experience might even be a little less hospitable and the police a bit less affable than Israel. Sometimes people go searching for trouble. Many times, they find what they seek when they go with such determination. He sure did.

It displays that they actually believe they have a mandate to do anything, to anyone, whenever they choose.

That was a brave thing the young man did, and it shows the depth of feeling against the apartheid state of Israel, even from Jewish folk.

Always a risk demonstrating in another country.

What I see here is a spoiled American kid running off at the mouth, with no sense of consequence. It doesn't matter what side he's on he just wants to be outspoken and controversial. If he was my child I would take him behind the wood shed for wearing a Che Gueverra T- shirt to begin with...

originally posted by: MrCynic

I'm thinking the Gaza City experience might even be a little less hospitable and the police a bit less affable than Israel. Sometimes people go searching for trouble. Many times, they find what they seek when they go with such determination. He sure did.

The guy was talking in public, just talking. That's apparently searching for trouble to you people.
So, the moral of this story is that the experience is EXACTLY the same on the streets of Jerusalem & Gaza City.
Both same #ty experience.

a reply to: Exitt The guy was talking pro palestinian in Israel surrounded by Israelis. Go to Harlem and talk anti black.
And when an Israeli police officer asks for your passport you present it, you are a guest in their country, or face arrest, prosecution, and probably a well earned whoopin.
Why do Americans so often think they can do whatever they want in other countries and that screaming "I'm an American citizen" gives them some kind of free pass?

Maybe the thread title should be " Young American spewing pro Palestine rhetoric in Israel refuses to show passport and is hauled off by Israeli police".

a reply to: abe froman

Who he was surrounded by is also literal and not figurative. I found this under his other video in the description.

He was subsequently jailed for two days for peacefully protesting the annual Jersulem Day parade which celebrates Israel's capture of East Jerusalem during the 1967 Mideast War.

Src

The crowd may have been more dangerous to him than the police if he'd continued to carry on with that flag around his neck, in that parade event.

a reply to: MrCynic
What an idiot.

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: Exitt The guy was talking pro palestinian in Israel surrounded by Israelis. Go to Harlem and talk anti black.
And when an Israeli police officer asks for your passport you present it, you are a guest in their country, or face arrest, prosecution, and probably a well earned whoopin.
Why do Americans so often think they can do whatever they want in other countries and that screaming "I'm an American citizen" gives them some kind of free pass?

Maybe the thread title should be " Young American spewing pro Palestine rhetoric in Israel refuses to show passport and is hauled off by Israeli police".

Pro Palestinian equals "anti- black" to you?
You are off it.

This could be a Joke...How many Israeli Police does it take to subdue a Child...Answers on a postcard.

The kid was talking to a Camera man, not getting in anyone's personal space. Sounds like a threat to national security to me. Must hog tie,detain and inTERRORgate for 2 days.

Israel = Cowards

Well, he wasnt in a free speech zone. Im sure there is still a small circle set up somewhere in the wilderness with signs, where you can lock yourself inside a barricade and have free speech, or is that the fema camp?

a reply to: FlySolo

TBH this was rather tame, I've seen far worse treatment of protestors on many occasions.

The only thing missing from the video was the soap box. I'll give the kid a 10 for effort and a -2 for common sense-This kid was so fixated on getting his face on camera that he never realized he was bound to be singled out, if he had joined the crowd of protesters instead of seeking his moment in the spotlight then maybe his predicament would be much different.

Sure he had something to say but there are better ways to go about it, sometimes the lure of fame can cloud peoples minds.

a reply to: FlySolo

You asked the question:

Isn't there one ATS Jewish member who disagrees with killing Arab kids, mothers, destruction of homes?

I will answer with yes, only one that I am positive of - but this person sticks in my mind very strongly. I am a Muslim, and I like and respect this person very much. He or she (I have no idea what their sex is sorry) has ideas much like my own for peace in Israel/Palestine, and seems to be a generally wonderful person.

Perhaps I am a fantasist, but I believe there will never be peace until the people of Israel/Palestine are willing to sit down and define a nation. Not a nation governed by one race or religion, but a state consisting of multiple races and religions willing to work together. I personally think religion has no place in how a state should be governed, and I think it ridiculous that in this day and age people believe that God 'promised' a nation to one particular religious group.

Yes, the Jews suffered immensely and have every right to have a place they can feel safe. Should the Palestinians have any less? Until people stop demonising those of differing beliefs as 'other' there will never be peace. Perhaps I am a fantasist, but it's pretty obvious that the current system isn't working very well, except for perhaps a privileged few.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I agree with this person, who has made threads in the past of their own. This one in particular is worth reading, for anyone and everyone.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I stand side by side with this member. One of the few people in the world who you are very glad to have met!

I think people should know, that even though it may feel like it sometimes, not everyone in any group is the same, you can NEVER paint with the large brushes. We should always judge the individual, and never demonize groups - for surely if we did we would have fallen into ignorance.

I'm pretty sure there is no First Amendment in Israel. Also they don't take kindly to people siding with the enemy.
Israeli police rough up anybody who gets out of line, including Israelis.
other than that I don't think innocent women and children should be killed no matter what their nationality. Even Belgians.

Say what you want about the kid, but he has got a quarter million views.
More people will see this and come off of the fence on the side for humanity.
This in turn will employ more propagandists to swarm forums and try to spin these terrorists crimes.
Yep, they are getting dragged out into the light of day and israel is hemorrhaging friends at a satisfactory rate.
And the truth shall get you jailed...then you put it on youtube!

punk a@@ kid, he is not really into being a Jew or he would not be wearing his Prayer Shaw as a scarf like he's making a fashsion statement.
just trying to be somebody and show his a@@.

look at his Che Guevara tee he's wearin, just there to start #.