The Gimp Herders of Olympus

originally posted by: Baddogma
I again say bravo to the person behind the tale... if delusion, I'm so very sorry and concerned for their well being, if a tale, I'm impressed with it's depth and technique but rather upset with the person for spreading false info, and if even a shade of truth, then glad he spilled and hope them the best... and that's pretty much it... but those outside verifications are so ...troublesome!

I don't care for the aliens 'are they/aren't they' vacillations. Much like 'God', I am not in the position to either prove nor disprove, so I don't feel it appropriate for me to stick my oar in on that topic but I do follow the discussions. In terms of what humans are capable, 'good' and 'bad', that I am most deeply interested though and the ego is a funny thing, as is the very deep seated need to 'believe'.

Astr0's thread, his posting history, rang a number of big, clanging bells for me. I got a major case of deja vu and was reminded of a thread that I was involved in some years ago. Remarkably similar MO, including the PM aspect. I don't intend to go into the details, just to say though, that in that case I didn't detect any malicious intent on the part of the OP, and I don't in this one. That is not to say, and I am only considering the options here, that they were not under instructions from another person or persons that may have malign intent, but that the person who was actually doing the writing was not a 'bad' person. Misguided? Maybe but not 'bad'.

The lesson I learnt from that experience is how much some of us want to believe and how much we want the responsibility for it ALL to be taken away from us. To varying degrees of course. And voyeuristically that is what interested me more than anything else about the thread of Astr0's that is pertinent to the discussion, the responses to it including the extremes in both directions. Having explored the themes of mind control etc to some depth, particularly those financed and endorsed by various governments, I would not be at all surprised, and have said as much repeatedly over the years on these boards, that there would be some desire by those bodies and agencies, as well as any number of marketing institutions, to test the reactive effect of certain constructed belief systems, see how they float so to speak, but again, that is just my conspiratorial mind at work.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

The Sumerian tradition of the Shuba stones i mentioned here, were the term means pure, clean and bright and referred to diamonds which were used as a metaphor with regards to the artificial insemination of potential Annunaki offspring born upon Earth, multi faceted and cutting symbolism.

I could find examples from around the world of the two archetypes, it is marked in the Americas, but the triangular form is very common elsewhere, the 160,000 year thing possibly refers to;

The measurements of the ‘mutation rate’, which is the rate at which children show DNA changes not seen in their parents, shows that all humans today have as a common ancestor a single woman who lived 160,000 years ago -

Science Daily

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Ahahaha,

I totally missed that, and I have no excuse; you have no idear how close to San Dimas I am.

San Dimas High School Football Rules!!!!

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

The Sumerian tradition of the Shuba stones i mentioned here, were the term means pure, clean and bright and referred to diamonds which were used as a metaphor with regards to the artificial insemination of potential Annunaki offspring born upon Earth, multi faceted and cutting symbolism.

Yup, that's the one that I was reminded of.

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
I could find examples from around the world of the two archetypes, it is marked in the Americas, but the triangular form is very common elsewhere,

You'd be pretty hard pressed to, but if you can and have the time, please do. I personally think that proportionately to other forms, it is negligible. Happy to be proven incorrect though.

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
the 160,000 year thing possibly refers to;

The measurements of the ‘mutation rate’, which is the rate at which children show DNA changes not seen in their parents, shows that all humans today have as a common ancestor a single woman who lived 160,000 years ago -

That's what I mean, using that date shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what 'common ancestor' actually represents genetically and in actuality. Not very canny, far too obvious and kind of sloppy.

a reply to: shagg

"Shaking my head at analyzing what's probably a work of fiction."

Oh, how I empathize Shagg... and does that mean I'm evolved enough to jump the imaginary space ship... or will they leave me behind for showing them up as the cold dolts they are... heh.

If I keep poking this thing, maybe I'll hit it just right and the secrets of the universe will spill out (says the primitive regarding the Rubik cube).

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

To put the archetypes into some sort of context, the refrigerator involves laying out an Earth schematic set according to the four directions worn as a robe, examples from Australia;






have the same basis as the North American;



in principle the Mandaeans represent the same thing here, but generally in the Near East they contented themselves with rugs to set down these motifs upon.



The associated traditions concern themselves with path finding, establishing a grid network upon the Earths surface and the symbolism with regards to the four cardinal directions, a common cosmological framework.

The triangular form i looked at marked examples here from the Northern Tarim basin




An example from Gilf Kebir in the Sahara;





Generally then when the figures take on un-natural proportions it is either because they are wearing a schematic of the world or in the case of the triangular figures most likely representing a constellation, often Orion and Canis Major are represented, triangular man is probably Orion in many cases, the USS Orion no less...

a reply to: Baddogma

Reading that, I just spit soda all over my computer monitor.

a reply to: Bybyots

if the person is a creative something...they will have been on the net somewhere..how about a game?



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The SOL Corporation is created, a coalition of all major powers dedicated to the exploration of space. The SOL Corporation manages the new technology and issues licenses for new space ships and space stations. Volunteer captains are recruited from the best and each captain is given a ship to start exploring / colonizing space. Vast opportunities arise for the new captains, as they expand and develop their fleets and outposts. In the depth of space, law is non-existent, conflicts for valuable resources are inevitable...
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originally posted by: Kantzveldt

To put the archetypes into some sort of context, the refrigerator involves laying out an Earth schematic set according to the four directions worn as a robe, examples from Australia;

Errr...mmm...hmmm...I would question your context there but it would take us a long way from the OP into the way off topic zone, either way, these forms...

originally posted by: Kantzveldt

There tend to be two basic body forms in ancient rock art, refrigerator and triangulated;

Are hardly comparable with any of these, contextually or otherwise.

originally posted by: Kantzveldt

The first two can be described as 'refrigerator' or 'triangulated' given the absence of limbs, but the rest, despite your assertion to the contrary, while admittedly stylised, are naturalistic and we can see them expressed as an ongoing artistic development. Far from providing supporting context for your speculative beliefs you are actually demonstrating the somewhat unique quality of the North American examples.

When seen with limbs, the triangulated torso, narrow hips depict males, hunting, taking part in rituals. Without limbs, I agree, they are robed, and given the North American indigenous culture, clearly shamanic.





As an example, for comparative purposes, the Gilf Kebir examples are incredibly similar to Hawaiian rock art...for example...



Both depict the classic swimmers physique...





Much as you would expect would be the idealised body form for males living in a riparian or littoral culture.

Likewise, the Australian examples you provide depict the ideal body form of the hunter-gatherer in an arid landscape, where the physique has adapted to those particular constraints...

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

It's all based on Shamanic dream vision, it doesn't matter if in the Australian examples the robes are depicted in narrower format, the point is they are wearing the vision over the chest, in more developed cultures they fashion it into rugs and sit on them, and the vision is association with a Creative spirit that laid out the surface of the Earth and created pathways and waterways in a networked structure within which every little dreamer found it's niche.

You cannot see that at Gilf Kebir there is a marked difference in style, proportion and presumably status with regards to the Triangular figures and the generally graceful and naturalistic others...?



The configuration of broad shouldered Orion is what lent itself to his reputation as mighty warrior and hunter in many cultures, that and having the belt stars for a penis, a mighty giant, the Tarim basin depictions have all those qualities, and for warrior and hunter societies he was an archetype to be emulated.

There is always more than one way of looking at things particularly with regards to Astral configurations and early Sumeria had an entirely different interpretation of the configuration of Orion and associated roles and functions, which lends itself to an interesting conflict of ideals, a war in the Heavens fought within the minds of humanity.

originally posted by: Kantzveldt

It's all based on Shamanic dream vision, it doesn't matter if in the Australian examples the robes are depicted in narrower format, the point is they are wearing the vision over the chest, in more developed cultures they fashion it into rugs and sit on them, and the vision is association with a Creative spirit that laid out the surface of the Earth and created pathways and waterways in a networked structure within which every little dreamer found it's niche.

Could rather than is...the vision quest varies from culture to culture, the purpose of the Shaman being to unify and direct the individuals into a cohesive whole, and obviously with the Australian example, the robe is supplanted by the use of body paint reflective of the localised environment and subsequent cosmology, it's inherent benefits and dangers.



But otherwise, no disagreement there. The particular means by which the vision state or trance is achieved by the Shaman, and whether it is shared or communicated affects the documentation of such obviously.

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
You cannot see that at Gilf Kebir there is a marked difference in style, proportion and presumably status with regards to the Triangular figures and the generally graceful and naturalistic others...?

Are you referring to the use of perspective in the above example?

There is such a wonderfully diverse expressionism found at Gilf Kebir that is suggestive of self-recording and of the recording of societal roles, though not necessarily status, there is nothing to indicate, from the archaeological record that social stratification had as yet reared it's ugly head, though it is certainly possible that there was some meritocratic hierarchy.

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
The configuration of broad shouldered Orion is what lent itself to his reputation as mighty warrior and hunter in many cultures, that and having the belt stars for a penis, a mighty giant, the Tarim basin depictions have all those qualities, and for warrior and hunter societies he was an archetype to be emulated.

In a culture or society where those characteristics were valued, it is only natural that when viewing the constellations that they saw in them a reflection of themselves. I am not seeing the penis as you describe though. The Egyptians do place the penis, in some depictions at waist level, but they are fairly unique in that respect. I think that the belt or girdle, is a belt or girdle...but that can be debated.

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
There is always more than one way of looking at things particularly with regards to Astral configurations and early Sumeria had an entirely different interpretation of the configuration of Orion and associated roles and functions, which lends itself to an interesting conflict of ideals, a war in the Heavens fought within the minds of humanity.

Of course, Sumeria, a highly stratified, complex society, syncretic in nature and geared towards an astrological worldview did develop it's calendar based upon the movement of the stars tailored to their particular environment and way of life. The story telling or narrative associated with that helped reinforce that world view, just as they do in other regions and amongst other cultures. We project, it is human nature and there is a need to explain why good things and bad things happen to us. No surprises or relevations there. The Sumerians would pictorially record the position of the stars, just as we write the date at the head of the page of a diary, letter or official record.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

For the purposes of this thread suffice to say this is possibly the crew of the USS Orion in action, or maybe just American footballers on a wild night out but then again could be muscle bound beach bullies beating up cats...

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

For the purposes of this thread suffice to say this is possibly the crew of the USS Orion in action, or maybe just American footballers on a wild night out but then again could be muscle bound beach bullies beating up cats...

Absolutely. Why not? Ignorance is, after all, bliss

This thread was cool when it started.

Maybe it could be redirected into an actual conversation about the aspects of Astr0's posts in many threads that could be true and the 75% that was B.S.
I won't have time until after the weekend, but I want to compile all his recent relevant posts in one place to be scrutinized
I wouldn't bother to include posts by others "in the know" as their assumptions vary wildly and seem to be a lot of jumping on the bandwagon
Plus as I have asked those of that group to summarize the PMs and was shot down directly, their input would be suspect.
We could only go on the posts of Astr0 as a whole

So next week

X

a reply to: Xcouncil=wisdom

Agreed... the people with personal "verification" surprised me... and the more I mull it, the more I convince myself that it must be mostly smoke... but I'm left with a solid feeling that Astr0 was genuine as a person with some insider knowledge and that seems rather clear... but the rest... the kool-aid tastes good, but I just cannot swallow it.

Strangely, or not, the UFO phenom holds so many totally weird, yet valid reports that it all being our guys in found or new tech just doesn't compute... there is more to it... and whether all the data is bad, or my constructs are, I dunno.

But it deserves some real objective scrutiny... however one could do that.

a reply to: Bybyots
What the hell! Somebody has to much time on there hands. Besides it has been proven time and time again that idle thoughts make for contrary ideas for those who do not have time for idle thoughts. Its also kind of hard to do away what with millennia of conditions and nature you know monkey see monkey do monkey make in shape of favorite part. Now what does that say for those saucer disks UFO's which abduct people into them into a tiny hole via tractor beam, does that mean were being invaded by an alien race of saucer round private parted aliens, for all you know they could all be some sort of female vagina minded aliens. The horror.

Do they build there buildings in saucer shape also? If the shape we build our flying objects and grand buildings say something, then what does that say about the whole saucer shaped phenomenon thing of this supposedly other alien race? Surely if they were like us it would be a phallus shaped phenomenon, and people would be like "oh man did you see that penis shaped UFO's, it was there and then it was totally like gone" So lets say mankind takes to the stars, we would then abduct other races in phallus shaped UFO's? So what are we to be surprised that things and shapes tend to be of a phallic nature? If they found a cure for all disease tomorrow you know people would be wanting and choosing that super viagra pill over it.

And ya dude remember that "what dreams may come" was a sad movie. That story by that Astr0 character is quite interesting no? But the whole thing to harness the pure processing power of human mind has been done in many ways and many other stories, just another version of the matrix thing, and yes it works even in dreams, thought that whole twin thing is kind of bunk because were all made of the same stuff you know. If they need to make copies to keep track they cant be very advanced. However twin radios no! got to be on the same vibration, its true for everything from transistors, to well? Everything.

But no! Seriously, you put to much stock in these thing, its kind of obvious that things are obvious and people just become obsessed with the things that they....and finish sentence. If your first thought was "dont have" you need to get out and keep yourself occupied more, go build a bird house or something productive like that.

In fact I should follow my own advice but I really dont have time or the inclinations to build any birdhouses. Besides as the saying goes, you cant spell "happiness" without "piness" Ah I'm just a funking with ya. You see! There I go again. Ya I just made that # up, like 99% of all other stuff you would come across on the ATS. Including those fanciful stories now and then which get moved to the gray area with the quickness, and who the hell know probably somebody somewhere may even get a giggle or thrill out of it.

You know if you break down any story into to the basics, they tend to become silly, its kind of in those books or videogames were they all set out for a big adventure, yet they never seem to eat or sleep or even go to the bathroom. Its kind of like watching the lord of the rings and halfway through the movie thinking, oh man these guys do a lot of running and tracking around, dont they ever pee? Its been two hours sitting here and I need to pee, yet here they go tracking through the middleearth alps without even a bathroom break, now that's some brutal stuff. Kind of like James Bond were he jumps through fire, out of airplane, gets in a shootout with a dozen guys, and yet his hair not even a strand is misplaced. What I am trying to say is that its all make-believe. Carry on there Bybyots person, guy, dude, whoever you are.

^Speaking of Gimps...^

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

Man you always crack me up. How am I supposed to watch the LotR movies now?

This is for you, as usual...

a reply to: The GUT
I hope you dont mean or imply me, what with those little ^...^ pointing at my past thread. I am actually the original, all my clones are on planets in galaxies far far away making others mysterious and intricate alien life's more lively, and when it calls for it, more miserable. You all however have been invaded and mindfunked with. Whats a mindfunk you ask? Well its like a mind# only more funky. You will know what I am talking about eventually, in this lifetime or another, or not.

Hey here is a fun fact, do you know that every time you get teleported someplace they actually just build a new you from the atom up, so generally they dont need to make the you which teleported disappear, that is purely done for the effects and so as that way there wont be millions and millions of clones running around, eventually you just dont know who is the original or the gimp, It would cause mass problems, and because you would run out of classifying space in the hard drive. So yes every time kirk got beamed up he was merely disintegrated and remade to keep the effect running and the mental psychological effect from deteriorating into limbo.

Also another fun fact. If you hear about it, or read about it on ATS then futurama, the simpsons, family guy or many other such shows have already done a piece on it. Thought it turns out at least according to those shows that everytime you make a gimp clone of you, he or she generally turns out to be more mean and more evil.


Also another thing, yes they do life off dreams. Thought it should really be said and in this day that they make a living off dreams. Imagine that no? Should not be hard for you I think, after all chances are that in one form or another you are also in the same business of selling dreams. Human cows left to pasture, no spooking them least the milk turn sour, the food chain goes ever up, and the gods feeding of what dreams may come, in there humble abode atop mythical Olympus. Is that not what this thread was about? The farming practices of other worldly beings. And if that is the case. Well! Who's garden to you think you and all of us exist in?

For those that are concerned with this whole affair?

A link.

Majestic 12: A UFO Disinformation Scandal