Should DOD shoot Ebola plane down?

originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: Auricom

Was too late at that moment to do as you suggest.

That's not too late. You can still put police on the ground, make sure that the passengers stay on board. Fill them back up and let them head on back to wherever it is they came from.

Did you really expect me to try and find the policy that doesn't exist. I said several times that the USA does NOT have a policy of denying entry to its own citizens. So I guess in your mind tbat means I should be able to link this non policy so you can see it. Ok what ever after this I just ignore you posts and your baiting. b reply to: ~Lucidity

Not airborne. Never was. a reply to: ParanoidAmerican

originally posted by: Auricom

originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: Auricom

Was too late at that moment to do as you suggest.

That's not too late. You can still put police on the ground, make sure that the passengers stay on board. Fill them back up and let them head on back to wherever it is they came from.

well u see its America,,everything and i mean EVERYTHING revolves around, "In God We Trust" or as some call it the Almighty dollar,,so,,,
being that the Samaritans Purse people are footing the BILL,,,,whose dime for,,, You can still put police on the ground,

i kid u not,,,,,

Lysol would do it. Sanjay Gupta had a guy from the CDC on and he said that it can be killed on surfaces with household cleaning solutions. a reply to: ParanoidAmerican

So who said you have to believe anything I've said? Your mind is yours do with it what you will. Or turn on the tv and you can watch for yourself. I really don't care. t reply to: ParanoidAmerican

a reply to: BobAthome

besides would not want the Federal Government
co-operating with a percieved Christian Group like the " Samaritans Purse "

after all it would be biased towards a religious organization,,,Christian at that,,why it would be ,bad politics.

so ya sure ,, shoot them down go ahead ,, give the order, push the button,,remember ,,boby parts are usually everywhere,, at a crash site,,,lots of animals as well,,

here mr. porkypine have some Ebola stew,,,

THey DO have protocols in place to receive exotic infectious agents and YES the military still does that. 2 sick people won't kill us all..you'd need a distributing method like a vaccine or aircraft.it kills too quickly to spread.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

tell that to mister porkypine,,,

actuall its 7 days,,,in monkey meat,,,7 days infectious,,,dead monkey meat.


"it kills too quickly to spread"

u mean dies,,


21 days.

originally posted by: ParanoidAmerican
a reply to: crazyewok

Yes it can it isn't documented in Humans as of yet but this strain speaks to that issue...Pigs to apes confirmed

BBC story

Pigs and apes is a far cry from saying its airbone in humans.


Again gets your bloody facts straight.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
you'd need a distributing method like a vaccine or aircraft.it kills too quickly to spread.

The fact that Ebola spreads disproves your statement "it kills to quickly to spread". Ebola is spread by body fluids, so it's not like flu. This is why isolation and protective clothing being worn by medical staff, alongside high standards of biosafety is a counter to the disease.

As to vaccines. There is one in development and it works in mice. Let's hope it can be made to work in humans so medical staff can be better protected, at the very least.

Regards

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

It is if you would read you would know it has been documented but by all means....don't keep watching talking heads...

a reply to: crazyewok

Not really a far cry when bugs jump species all the time....swine flu bird flu ect....

a reply to: Xeven

At one time the US operated a screening policy for all immigration most of which passed through New York's Ellis Island, Swinburne Island and the plague houses (quarantine houses), of course it is not so much that it has become impracticle which it has with open travel such as international air travel but more a case of there not being a will to continue with those old policy's that brought about there demise, at the time there where pandemic's raging in europe caused by poverty, poor sanitation etc and in europe improved waste management by the state (Not private contractor's as they never do it properly and cut corners to increase profit which like health care mean's they cut LIVES) meant that the pandemic's came under control and in Britain being an island itself they were virtually eradicated.

Now why should they not shoot a plane down where a potential pathogen is loose, Simple they may created an aeriel dispersal of the pathogen and actually cause it to spread faster, especially if it is over land so the only solution would be immediate quarantine and in the case of a truly incurable plague as horrible as it sounds the use of lethal and swift acting gas to make it as humane as possible followed by a high temperature sterilization of the carrier body's and the contaminated area may be the only SCIENTIFICALLY sound option if we were MACHINES but we are people so if we fell to doing that would our existance be worth saving, normal HUMANE quarantine and medical procedures should be followed and where our medicine failed the natural process of human immunology may mean some may survive with there antibody's providing a path to developing a vaccine or cure and this latter method already in place though not strictly adhered to by all government's is the only correct and viable solution.

Of course country's with a fear of economically devastating pandemic's may indeed resort to military action but that is a futile method doomed to literally backfire and the best plan's are often overlooked by non medical professional's (and by some of them) when faced with the scary unknown.

a reply to: jimmyx
But the flu doesn't have a 90% death rate. Most people recover.

originally posted by: violet
a reply to: jimmyx
But the flu doesn't have a 90% death rate. Most people recover.

There are reports that this strain of Ebola has only a 60% mortality rate (thank god).
The CDC is more than equipped to handle this (unlike Africa), which is why it is spreading there.

Some of the Americans who are coming home were out in Africa doing heroic work (yes, HERO), to combat the disease. Anyone selfish and paranoid enough to suggest blowing them out of the sky is just sick.

originally posted by: violet
But the flu doesn't have a 90% death rate. Most people recover.

Ebola does not have a 90% death rate either. In fact, the current outbreak in West Africa is running a fatality rate of circa 60%. This is high, but hardly as devastating a 90%.

Ebola, while a nasty disease, has a low impact in the cold statistical light of day, although clearly high voyeuristic media interest which panders to the doom-mongers (safe in their clean houses). By contrast, 1.5 million HIV/AIDS sufferers die every year. Malaria and a host of other diseases - including flu - take a heavy toll, mostly in underdeveloped countries with poor heath care and lack of access to vaccinations, decent public health services and eductaion.

People whine on about Bill Gates and co (he's even been accused on ATS of starting this outbreak), but they do more for the poor in Africa than many of the corrupt governments out there.

Regards

Those 2 patients are now laboratory Rats/Monkeys.... they are going to use them to create a vaccine at no cost, probably violating all of their civil rights along the way. CDC and Gov brought them here for one reason only............ find a vaccine and probably create a biological weapon.

It said that 30K were infected? 30,000 were infected...from one man. I don't think it said that. It said they were contacting those people as a precaution. Nowhere does it say 30000 are infected. This kind of assumption causes panic. Is that what you're all about paranoidAmerican? Causing fear amongst your fellow ATS members. Yelling fire in a crowded theater? And you accuse me of not having facts and reporting hearsay. This isn't a courtroom where hearsay is not allowed. At least I reported what they said accurately. I didn't blow up facts.


S reply to: ParanoidAmerican

There is already a forum for that. I don't go to that forum on purpose. Don't bring it here. a reply to: FalcoFan