WikiLeaks Cables Reveal U.S. Gov't Planned To “Retaliate and Cause Pain” On Countries Refusing

a reply to: TritonTaranis

The demise of the USA was planned before its inception, this is plain too see.

It will be amalgamated completely into the blackhole of everything, and nothing.

I think its at 95% now.

Well it is standard stuff for terrorists and mafia, for which the governments are by their very definition, you wanna know HOW they get away with it? Wanna know the number 1 tool that makes it all possible??? DEMOCRACY! The ultimate in get out clauses... "Well you voted them in..." "All we need to do is vote the right candidate and it'll be all roses"... "We have a RIGHT to vote..." heh...

On the surface seems legit, I mean whatever could be wrong with voting!!! Completely fair and civilised... Until you realise the game is rigged!!!

It's like a magician, "pick a card, ANY card"... Only they don't really mean that, you see they have a way to force you into choosing the card they WANT you to pick! And you wouldn't even know... Which is the beauty of magic...

And so it is with "democracy" all a big parlar trick, I mean when you REALLY analyse democracy is it quite apparent that it is immoral anyway!!! Even if it wasn't a magic trick!!!

Say 51% decide that relations between men and women should be outlawed, the 49 do not agree, it is a simple case of personal preference, yet all of a sudden we have a war... We have a big problem because this "voting" has suddenly made 49% of the people criminals lol...

Voting is saying... "I do not agree with you! Therefore I will give these people authority to use force against you!" "If you do not agree with me, you will be locked in a cage"

Yup, good old civilised democracy, how advanced we are...

EDIT: Oh that reminds me... As democracy is just so magical and awesome, we must make every other nation do it too... And of course following the course of democracy if they disagree we'll use force... As obviously this is the civilised thing to do... But don't worry... We'll also have in house voting as the magic just never ends here at govland...

For shame humans... for shame

They created Al Quada in the 80's


Hillary probably running for president in 2016, isnt that scary?

originally posted by: Macabe
GMO are dangerous, plain and simple:

In 2009, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine stated that animal feeding studies on GMOs showed significant health disorders. They called on the US government to institute an immediate moratorium, and asked all doctors to prescribe non-GMO diets in the meantime.

From your link:

Thousands of sheep, buffalo, and goats in India died after grazing on Bt cotton plants

Your source is prone to reporting anecdotes as confirmed science.
Thus:

Sheep don’t die from grazing on Bt Cotton

Analysis of Peer-Reviewed Research:

This is a difficult case to analyze because there is no real evidence. There are anecdotal claims made by sources that are opposed to GM crops. There are few scientific observations to explain why the sheep died. What we do know if that they appeared to die of pesticide poisoning and not from Bt exposure. Animals have been fed large amounts Bt in laboratory studies without any ill effects. One ray of sunshine is that use of Bt cotton should allow an 80-95 percent reduction in chemical pesticide application that will be safer for the farmers, their villages and their sheep. It is unreasonable for Jeffrey Smith to repeat such poorly documented cases.

1) Sheep died while grazing in cotton fields before Bt cotton. It is a fact that there are reports of sheep having died from grazing in Bt-cotton fields. These reports documented by Smith come from self-described anti-GM groups. These sources Smith cites for the most part only point fingers and ask for more investigation of the phenomenon. Unfortunately for poor farmers, sheep have been dying in fields long before Bt cotton was introduced and that they have died from grazing fields where Bt cotton was not grown. There are well-researched explanations for death of grazing sheep that do not involve Bt-cotton. Intoxication of sheep with plant derived chemicals such as cyanide, oxalate, or nitrate, or with forage contaminants such as pesticides or fungal toxins is moderately common (e.g. Mayland and others 1995, Wang and Provenza 1996).

2) The sheep appear to have died from acute toxicity. Veterinarians who examined some of the dead sheep said that they showed symptoms of exposure to a toxic agent (Smith says this).

3) Pesticide or nitrate poisoning are likely explanations. Veterinarians concluded the most likely cause was pesticide poisoning. They recognized pathological signs of acute toxicity. They could not rule out nitrate or gossypol (a natural toxic ingredient of cotton plants) as toxic agents. Other investigations showed that high nitrate levels in the cotton might explain the deaths (Karihaloo and Kumar 2009).

4) Bt has a long history of safe use and is non-toxic to mammals. Bt is completely non-toxic to animals and no veterinarian or toxicologist has suggested that Bt cotton is responsible for the deaths (Siegel 2001, Betz and others 2000, Whelon and Wingerd 2003)

5) Bt cotton is widespread and reports of problems are not. Half of the cotton grown in the world is Bt cotton. No similar reports have come from the over 10 million farmers who plant Bt-cotton (www.isaaa.org; Brookes and Barfoot, 2007). The dramatic reduction in pesticide application associated with adoption of Bt cotton may further reduce the widespread incidence of human and animal pesticide poisonings—a major benefit of insect protected crops is that they require little or no pesticides.

When the source is prone to hyperbole (on both sides,) it is difficult to believe anyone.

Harte

a reply to: conar

Did you watch the video? She's stating a widely accepted truth - We (as in the United States) funded the groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan that would become Al-Qaeda during the 1980's under the Reagan years. Clinton meanwhile would not arrive in Washington until 1993.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Quit getting off topic. Have you read the Wiki from your OP source yet?

a reply to: raymundoko

Cable 07PARIS4723_a December 14, 2007

The text of this cable has already been reproduced in this thread. Apparently you are too busy deflecting to read it.

Summary: Mission Paris recommends that that the USG reinforce our negotiating position with the EU on agricultural biotechnology by publishing a retaliation list when the extend "Reasonable Time Period" expires.

Moving to retaliation will make clear that the current path has real costs to EU interests and could help strengthen European pro-biotech voices. In fact, the pro-biotech side in France -- including within the farm union -- have told us retaliation is the only way to begin to begin to turn this issue in France.

Country team Paris recommends that we calibrate a target retaliation list that causes some pain across the EU since this is a collective responsibility, but that also focuses in part on the worst culprits. The list should be measured rather than vicious and must be sustainable over the long term, since we should not expect an early victory.

So all you did was take clips of it out of context. Nobody is deflecting. You've either never read the cable or you ignored 75% of it.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

a reply to: raymundoko

So all you did was take clips of it out of context. Nobody is deflecting. You've either never read the cable or you ignored 75% of it.

You are really playing dense here. As I said, three times now, I posted the entire cable verbatim on page one of this topic.

ATS page one of this topic, cable reprinted in its entirity

The salient points were quoted above.

I dont care if you quoted it. You either didn't read it or you ignored key parts that explained why it was sent...you're the one playing dense.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

a reply to: neo96

I could care less about the farmers making more money if the food is not good for you. The yield argument is ridiculous if the product is inferior.

originally posted by: Sump3
Just to heat it up guys. In english gematria "Monsanto" equals 666.

So does Seth Rogen.

What do we make of that. Nothing huh.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

So the State Dept is basically Monsanto's sales team? If GMOs we so good for you, why does Monsanto need the US Government to intimidate countries into accepting it? Is there.. a.. bigger.. agenda? A hidden agenda? My money is on the affirmative.

In my opinion, Monsanto and the GMO issue has not received nearly enough scrutiny.

Subsidies pay for it and the US Gov makes money off the exports. Why wouldn't the state dept be involved? If you put money into an investment you'd want a return, and you'd be upset if a another government funded a documentary bad mouthing your investment when they have other GMO producers in their pocket as well.

Many people in this thread think this is the US gov attempting to push around a country who doesn't want GMO foods, but that country is in bed with Dupont...

Why is Monsanto evil but Dupont is totally fine? France basically banned Monsanto so their beloved Dupont could have free reign.

a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

I am happy that countries like Russia and a couple of others, consider the GM seeds are pollution and anybody who sells them criminals.

I hope my country will have soon enough a government to ban your countries bills and seeds as well


All these companies are jew controlled, mosanto, etc...

Scandinavian countries, including france, banned the legit seeds, they follow their masters. They tried to do the same with the water, but they didnt make it and we still keeping and fighting for our seeds...

you must all stop buying chemicals for a start, for protecting your plants from bugs and viruses... As a solution you can fix your own with natural ingredients, vinegar and water and lemon, garlic. Search, there are so many solutions! If you use chemicals, even if you use natural seeds, you terraforming them! We stop buying chemicals in the place I live years ago. Because we pollute the ground and creating new viruses that only their GM seeds can survive, thats their goal!

Also use natural fertilizers from animals, instead of chemical ones... Or a different way to do it, is to plant peas or beans and when they grow up a bit, clean the ground and add any seed you want, peas and legumes of that category, act like fertilizers!!! And they are the best ones... If you add some peas seeds, you dont need fertilizers at all!

Here is some recipes for natural, nature friendly fertilizers and insecticides, copy paste them and keep them safe.

1: Natural insecticides

a) Take the peel from a lemon and boil it for 10 minutes, keep the liquid safe in a bottle and spray your plants with it. (it kills insects)

b) 2-4 spoons of baking flower in 1 liter of hot water and 1 little spoon of natural green soap... it kills and traps all insects in your plants!

c) 350gr of onions chopped in 10 liters of water, let them stay in the water for 24 hours and the next day, boil it for 10 minutes. Remove the onions from the water and spray your plants, it kills dozen of insects...

d) 6 cloves of garlic
1 onion
1 2 tablespoons grated red chillies
1 teaspoon of biodegradable liquid dish soap or grated green
1 kg of water

preparation
Put the ingredients with a little water in a blender and beat until melted
Add the remaining water and leave them in a container for 24 hours
After the waiting time, drain and keep only the liquid and spray. This is for a general use protection for ur plants.

Here is a last one from me, very strong one... You need lots of nettle.. Get strong rubber gloves and collect some, put it in a water, lots of water, as much as you like... let it there for a week!!! Then use this water for your plants, it kills all insects.

There are so many solutions, just stop using their products, because you pollute earth whatever you buy from them.

a reply to: Ploutonas

You almost had a good argument until the whole "Jew" thing. I wonder if that tinfoil hat makes you look fat?

You are very wrong about Russia...they have GMO crops/seeds, they just don't import GMO seeds. They only banned Monsanto as it is a US corporation. Why does everyone think Monsanto i s the only GMO company??? So ignorant.

Russia also imports food grown from GMO seeds, so yeah...

a reply to: Ploutonas

a reply to: raymundoko

You speak about the new bill that came during Ukraine rebelling? 14th of April? All genetic manipulated seeds considered as a crime and those who sells them criminals.

they already banned Poland apples, my country peaches and many many more across EU. All in all, the games your country is playing across the globe, costed 100 billion to EU, up to date. An example is my country, the 40% of all exports went to russia, but now russia stopped us because of u.

at the end, all countries will abandon ur dreams and u will have to pay the bills.. lol Imagine that the national annual gross of my country, was calculated months ago, with the 40% of exports in Russia included, now that ur country is meddling because you dream of to be a super power (even if you are bankrupt) and we cannot export to russia for now, the annual income is 40% minus! And it cannot be covered.

cyprus is in a much worse condition with this...more than 40% and few other countries are even worse than cyprus...

a reply to: Ploutonas

Ugh, where do you get your facts?

Again, that law specifically refers to the IMPORT of GMO seeds. Russia plans on testing their own within 3-5 years...You should quit getting your political news from NaturalNews.com

rt.com...
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www.biofortified.org...
rt.com...

The USA is bankrupt? I think you are confused about what bankruptcy is...

Yes, we owe a lot of money, but we owe almost all of our debt to....OURSELVES!!! We only owe about 1.5T to other countries, 1.3 of it to China. We take in 3T a year in revenue. So is our money mismanaged? Yes. Are we broke? HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHA.

And the USA isn't already a superpower? Someone might want to tell our Military and Financial/Industrial institutions that...pretty sure we're #1...

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

in my country it is published differently, you can read it... those articles you gave me, are very polite, but...

link

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It was widely posted even in west friendly blogs.

as for the export bans...

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And some fresh news, Russia reconsiders the greek fruits, NOT TO ban the greek exports... its fresh news so that is a good news, because we like russia. But next week, Russia will give bans in the west alliance including EU and USA, most of the EU countries will suffer in the luck of energy and exports, I dont know about USA. Fingers crossed.