WikiLeaks Cables Reveal U.S. Gov't Planned To “Retaliate and Cause Pain” On Countries Refusing

a reply to: baddmove

How the hell is that ?

Grain taken to the elevator can't be told apart from each other.

Hell no one by just looking at it can tell 'gmo' from 'organic'.

Have you forgotten all the pigs that were becoming sterile due to GM crops, that's right it was suppressed.

Australia being the only Island continent was FORCED to grow GM crops to ensure a global deniability could occur if Monsanto where ever be sued due to unforseen, or predicted negative health effects both physical and mental.

It's all about market dominance , which is about control, which is instigated through political donations to influence political decisions.

How else do you get what you want within a culture based on control.

a reply to: neo96

The reason Monsanto created and pushes GMO crops is those are the ones designed to resist their herbicides, like Round-Up. They designed and patented GMO seed specifically to resist their own products, so mega-farms can dump tons of Monsanto herbicides and pesticides into their fields without damaging their Monsanto crops.

GMO seeds have a 'termination date' aka Suicide seed or Terminator seed, and makes the farmer wholly dependent on Monsanto to supply all future seed. Monsanto went so far as to sue farmers for saving seed for future planting, claiming they are violating patents.

You claim that GMO crops "outperform" organic crops but that is also false, a report by Anthony Gucciardi in March, 2012 shows that "over 900 scientists working under the United Nations were forced to admit that traditional farming actually outperformed GMO crops following their research."

In addition scientists around the globe have written reports to the effect that:

• GMOs cause cancer
  
• GMOs cause birth-defects and miscarriage
  
• GMO corn has been linked to organ failure
  
• GMO even changes our DNA via interference with our micro RNA

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Monsanto is not the only gmo company in the world.

Hell Syngenta is just as large. More profitable, and is in more countries.

en.wikipedia.org...

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If some people got their 'wish' and Monstanto would suddenly vanish there are already two more than WILL take it's place.

Not surprised. It's totally ridiculous that the gubbament feels it has the right to use foreign policy to dictate how other, separate and independent countries, produces their food.

There is a lot more to this subject than any of us know and that really disturbs me. Just because the trash on the Hill can be lobbied (bought) by companies like Monsatan, these other countries do not have to follow suit.

Monsatan has nearly destroyed what farming and agriculture used to be. Once a viable business and lifestyle passed down generation to generation, that used tried and true methods to deliver healthy food to the masses, farm life has nearly been destroyed.

And according to the post above mine, even if you cut the head off of one, two more will surely pop up. That's really unfortunate.

Nothing is sacred in this country anymore. Nothing.

A special find... There were Ag ministers out here that said that their mobiles were listened to and that if they voted against GMOs ... which they did... their families were threatened by calls (related to sexual innuendo) and hyginx...

a reply to: neo96

A very large portion of that increase is due to other modern farming practices such as chemical nitrogen application. There are better, healthier ways to keep production up without using biotech crops, which don't particularly increase yield, so much as they are sold as a "cost effective" method of dealing with insects and weeds. Truthfully it's not cost effective when looking at all the costs though.

I would know. I work in the agriculture industry, and deal with this very issue on an ongoing basis.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

This does not surprise me one bit. I wonder how much big lobbying keeps things like cures for different diseases from becoming a reality? I would like Wikileaks to investigate that. They want to keep people on all the medications with deathly side-effects in many cases, instead of offering a CHANCE at a cure. Just look into antineoplastin cancer treatment suppression to start. Then look at all the other studies where something was cured in HUMAN cases, yet big-pharma buys the patents of these companies and things get shelved and never heard from again. There are countless examples of that.

Big-food, big-pharma-they only care about selling their seeds and inferior health remedies. See the thread on ATS by member Mary Rose:

Side Effects: Death

All I can say is that because of how powerful the political lobbying is for GM foods/Pharma, does it really matter to TPTB if there are bad side effects up to and including death? Then add the political power of sanctions or other penatlies for not accepting industrialized prducts. I do not think they care. In fact, they might even enjoy it. Soft kill to the max.

This is just disgusting. These thugs just want to cram poisons down the world's throat, the one's that definitely don't want it, and those that don't even know the evil that lurks in this crap. GMO is dangerous! GMO foods for a report on whether GM foods are safe or not.

We've probably all been fed this crap, I recently (4 years ago) began eating mostly organic foods (real food) and had to detox a lot of this crap out of my body. I've used alkaline water, Zeolite and a sauna to get this out of my body and brain. I feel 1,000% better now. I try and tell everyone to go to a local farmer's market (trader joes, whole foods, sprouts, etc) and look for the Organic or at least NON-GMO certified. This stuff will damage your brain and body!

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
This OP got me thinking because it mentioned Latin America. It got me thinking about how many of the illegals we are now dealing with are coming from places like Honduras. They have a had a couple coups over the last decade, I believe, and the poor number of people are quickly rising.

But I remembered reading this piece a while back: Link

In Honduras, wealthier farmers and agro-businesses benefit from the higher yields and insect resistance of genetically engineered, or transgenic, crops, according to the store manager. But poor subsistence farmers can't afford the seeds or the herbicides and fertilizers needed to get the most from a GMO crop, said the education center director.

Could it be that our government and corps have been pushing the GMO's in places like Honduras, increasing poverty for those that cannot compete.....and they end up on our doorstep?

Na, I'm talking crazy.

Not only are you not talking crazy, but that is the summation of what is happening.

Our Government (the US) has always backed corporate interests abroad and almost always at the expense of impoverished underclass.

What follows is mass immigration back into country that brought these wonderful "new" business practices that place the burden of cost directly on those who can afford it least.

If you can't make it where you are from it's only natural to look for a fresh start in another land you feel has opportunity.

My major problem with all of this is the product itself that the US government is backing.

Frankenfood is not something I would ever endorse on a global level.

What happens when plants across the world are contaminated and contain Monsantos "patented products". Does everybody after have to pay a premium to this corporation just to grow the most basic of food stuffs?

Was this actually the intent perhaps?

I fear to live in a world where the only option for fresh grown food is the one made scientifically in a laboratory. Simply for the fact of; What happens should the company and it's scientists behind this ever close up shop and dissapear?

Knowing about the terminator seeds, and what a massive horror this could turn into should the replenishment supplies of new seeds ever dry up, what then?

Do any of you know how to genetically create seeds of fruits, vegetables, and other fauna?

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

This hits at the heart of democracy and our politicaians are on the bank roll of GMO corporations and its time we pulled out our pitch forks and reminded them just who they work for.

Cancer rates are up but lets blame it all on secondhand cicgerette smoke and not the $hit they are putting in our food supply

originally posted by: aboutface
That is absolute criminal behaviour and if we want to turn things around for ourselves we must begin charging and prosecuting these traitors that have undermined our various peoples throughout the world.

There is absolutely nothing criminal about it.

It concerns retaliatory trade practices, which are common in every trade relationship.

Note the following, from the only cable that mentions any retaliation:

Both the GOF and the Commission have suggested that their respective actions should not alarm us since they are only cultivation rather than import bans. We see the cultivation ban as a first step, at least by anti-GMO advocates, who will move next to ban or further restrict imports. (The environment minister's top aide told us that people have a right not to buy meat raised on biotech feed, even though she acknowledged there was no possible scientific basis for a feed based distinction.) Further, we should not be prepared to cede on cultivation because of our considerable planting seed business in Europe and because farmers, once they have had experience with biotech, become its staunchest supporters.

Obviously, people have a right not to buy what they don't want to buy. But France admits that "there was no possible scientific basis for a feed based distinction" between meats. So, if they ban our meat based on its GMO feed, they are really only subsidizing their own meat industry at levels clearly categorized as illegal under the current trade regime.

Retaliation would then be a natural result and happens all the time.

Harte

originally posted by: baddmove

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: sheepslayer247

Let's take corn for example.

That is one of the worse examples possible.

Those that are pushing with 'organic' are messing with farmers BIGTIME.

It is only because of the current yields that gmo give do farmers even 'make' a living anymore.

Take a good look at the chart there.

From 1860 to the 1970s would be the 'era' of organic.

The way 'grandpa' use to do it.

With hybrids of today aka GMO corn bushells are now pushing 350 bushels.

Less land is being used.

More food is being grown.

Like I said organic isn't the way.

Because thousands of farmers are going out of the business every year.

Less land is being used every year.

The increase in yields is the only way farmers still compete with the rising land costs,rising machinery costs.

People are free to disagree.

But that corn is used for fuel, not food..look it up!

yes, and the corn fuel waste is even worse than gasoline

www.usatoday.com...

a reply to: neo96

The OP does not single out Monsanto, it refers to GMOs in general, and points out cases where the US government identified opponents to GMOs in Europe for retaliation.

Corporate stooges love to defend GMOs with skewed data. The real data shows that GMOs lag behind organic crops in terms of production. A massive study in Europe proved that, I won't bother to link to that since the OP did that already.

But aside from the safety of GMOs, the question raised in this post is why is the United States using it's diplomatic resources to push a private companies products? This is way beyond your typical trade practices. The answer is obvious, the US govt and Monsanto are joined at the hip, the policy makers are former or current Monsanto officers and vice-versa.

Studies that link GMO food to a multitude of human health ailments are not the only problem millions of people have with GM food. The fact that previously classified secret government documents show how the Bush administration developed ways to retaliate against countries that were refusing to use GM seeds is another.

If documents regarding our food are required to be concealed from the public domain, something is not right, and it’s great to have an organization like WikiLeaks shed some light into the world that’s been hidden from us for so many years...

a reply to: Harte

Harte, this went way beyond the retaliation seen in these cables, in fact there was a big case in the UK where a biotech scientist named Dr. Arpad Pusztai was retaliated against and driven out by the big US GMO companies.

Dr. Arpad Pusztai was working on a 3 million grant from the UK on methods to test GMOs for food safety so they could be approved. Instead, his research led him to conclude they were highly dangerous to animals and humans alike. He determined that GMO crops were genetically engineered to produce an insecticidal protein to make the plants resistant to Monsanto herbicides. This protein however caused smaller brains, livers and testicles, partial atrophy of the liver, damaged immune system in the test subjects.

Google the Pusztai affair to see how this scientist and whistleblowing hero was treated. It is a good example of how the GMO industry will try to discredit any scientist whose research reflects negatively on their engineered plants.

On a side note, Pusztai research also showed that genetically engineered plants have their own DNA damaged by some of the engineered DNA and create hundreds or thousands of additional mutations that are not tested for safety, because these mutations occur naturally or in isolated quantities. Example, MON 810 corn, made by Monsanto, found that there was a gene that is normally silent but it is switched on in GMO corn and now creates an allergen in corn. None of these mutations are being evaluated for food safety in the USA or in Europe. And scientists who do are often getting their funding revoked (as happened to Pusztai) or are getting banned from the research, even from speaking about it.

It's insane to me that a scientist who discovers something negative about GMO seed has to turn into a "whistleblower" to make his discoveries public, and suffer the retaliation all whistleblowers do. They're scientists, we should be able to read their research in the appropriate publications and move forward from there.

And then we are accused for being lunatics if we mention goverment conspiracies!
Not long ago I visited a hospital where they also have a health news magazine,
It had a very long article written by the best doctors in country, that was praising monsado and all gmos
and it stated that GMOs were mush more beneficial to health and it should be the only ones we should consume,
After a long article about how great these GMOs are they were accusing all the deniers to be stupid, un-educated,
and a thread to society!

The average person who reads that article, will have blind faith to what the doctors say, just like when they subscribe to them prozac. I wonder how big this conspiracy will get in a few years.

Don't be fooled most organics in the stores that don't come from original landrace seeds are made from ''organic'' GmO seeds

Already some farmers went to laboratories to make a test on organic tomatos,
the old seed tomatos had 3 times the vitamins and nutrients the GMOs had.
I have obtain the old seeds for my self, and although I am not permitted to use them commercially these are the ones my family will eat!

a reply to: RancorXXX

Thanks for that reply, I followed up on some of the point you raised.

#1 - "insecticidal protein" - Google this my friends, and see just why your GMO fears are justified. This **** is not freaking natural, and unleashing it into the environment should be a capital offense.

#2 - the "Pusztai affair" - Árpád Pusztai (wikipedia), "Pusztai affair" (wikipedia)

Investigative journalist Andrew Rowell[33] wrote in his 2003 book Don't worry, it's safe to eat: The true story of GM food, BSE and foot and mouth that pressure to sack Pusztai had been applied to the institute from Monsanto, a multinational company that owns 90 percent of GM seed technology.[20]

I found an interview over these cable releases with additional discussions on retaliations against scientists here:

WikiLeaks Cables Reveal U.S. Sought to Retaliate Against Europe over Monsanto GM Crops [...] We speak with Jeffrey Smith of the Institute for Responsible Technology.

Some additional research:

GMO Science, Sources and Relationships

Their byline asks a very poignant question: Ever wonder why food is being made and modified by the world's largest pesticide manufacturer?

This is absolutely deplorable. The United States really is the biggest exporter or terror and filth worldwide....Here I am stuck living right in the middle of it.

You know - I've read foreigners cannot even eat the food in America anymore. They get sick as hell for a few days....Scary really.

a reply to: lightedhype

You know - I've read foreigners cannot even eat the food in America anymore. They get sick as hell for a few days....Scary really.

The fast food industry has reduced meat to a binder to hold all the antibiotics, steroids, hormones, and artificial flavors together. Seriously, it has no taste other than the condiments you put on it. Don't get me started on the artificial cheese used in fast food... It's all a byproduct of a food industry shredding standards in a quest for ever greater profits.